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New Desktop Macs With M2 Ultra and M2 Max Chips Could See WWDC Debut
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Its pretty unlikely that the target market for M2Max Studios are M1Max Studio owners…
Hmmm will the M2 Ultra dethrone the Intel Core i9-13900KS in Geekbench 6 ? It will be interesting to see.
Intel has finally made some high-performance chips with the 13th generation. The 12th generation was notoriously bad in performance. They decided not to care about heat, contrary to Apple, and it seems to have paid so far.
Intel has finally made some high-performance chips with the 13th generation. The 12th generation was notoriously bad in performance. They decided not to care about heat, contrary to Apple, and it seems to have paid so far.
The WWDC keynote is not the be all and end all of the Worldwide Developers' Conference. The developers' sessions will continue (albeit mostly online now). Also, I don't see announcing 15" MBAs or Studios and iMacs bumped to M2 taking that much time in the keynote.
It is strongly suggested by the "code new worlds" tagline that developing software for the AR/VR goggles is going to be a major topic (and implied that its going to be a development system/preview rather than a consumer launch).
And, frankly, we could live with a year of fixing bugs in existing software rather than announcing new bells and whistles...
A full m2 ultra will be very similar in performance to a 13900 (non oveclocked) coupled with an amd 7900xt. (Going by benches focused on 3d rendering both on cpu and gpu)
That is a seriously nice kit to have in the studio enclosure. However, it doesn’t even begin to compete with mid range nvidia gpus for 3d rendering and hpc workloads. So basically competing with consumer level hardware.
A threadripper pro or new xeon that also have a few nvidia gpus will be on another level for those tasks. However, I agree with those saying maybe that market just isn’t there anymore for mac. If Apple decides to create a halo
Level macpro I guess it is more about assuring us all that this is a serious platform for all kinds of tasks. I certainly hope they do.
That is a seriously nice kit to have in the studio enclosure. However, it doesn’t even begin to compete with mid range nvidia gpus for 3d rendering and hpc workloads. So basically competing with consumer level hardware.
A threadripper pro or new xeon that also have a few nvidia gpus will be on another level for those tasks. However, I agree with those saying maybe that market just isn’t there anymore for mac. If Apple decides to create a halo
Level macpro I guess it is more about assuring us all that this is a serious platform for all kinds of tasks. I certainly hope they do.
Hopefully not. M2 was underwhelming, very marginal improvements compared to M1. One would hope M3 will be a more substantial improvement.
...sure, we'll probably have M(N+1) coming out every 18 months or so with incremental improvements, but the arrival of "3nm" SoCs (whatever M-number that turns out to be) is likely to be the major step forward that will have people upgrading their M1-whatever kit - and whatever comes after 3nm will probably be some time off...
...but I think a "halo level" MacPro would consist of some sort of Mx Max/Ultra "compute module" designed for clustering (which is where NVIDIA are going with Grace/Hopper/see-what-they-did-there) that did interesting things with the SoC dies that Apple already needs for Macs and iDevices - but that wouldn't be a drop-in replacement for existing MP 2019 users who actually need a monolithic Big Box'o'Slots with silly RAM and PCIe capacity (for which job, quite frankly, Xeon or Threadripper are the best tools).
What I love most about new Mac releases is that the previous generation gets a bit cheaper. I appreciate new hardware but you can save a fair bit of money staying a year or two behind the cutting edge.
Can't wait for these to show up (as an M1 Ultra owner), as I'll probably upgrade to an M3 Ultra in 2024, and the sooner we wrap up the M2 Cycle, the better.
You could when ram was upgradeable. Now most used macs are default ram which makes them mostly useless for serious purposes. 10% slower cpu is okay, 32 Gb ram if you're doing development barely cuts it, if we're talking the Studio.
I was thinking more refurbished and on sale Macs. But maybe those are not as often available in higher RAM configurations?
And many iPad users need neither and can use it for beyond "in the kitchen or sitting around on the couch,"
Just because one use case needs more doesn't mean everyone does. In my case, the iPad works just fine as my main device when I don't want to lug my MBP around. Office is good enough for real work, even if it doesn't have full feature parity with the Mac version.
It's all about the use case.
Ignored by a small segment of the market; although I suspect a number of them find t useful as well. Most people don't care about node js and think snake when they hear python. Enough people find it useful to make it a viable product.
Really? Those folks, while an important part, are a small part of the market. The iPad can survive quite nicely without it, and a lot can use it just fine as well.
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You know what? You don't have to buy a display from Apple!
You can buy displays from other manufacturers that you can connect multiple Macs/PCs to at the same time, that don't reflect and that have more warranty.
Yes please, a return to full version release one year, and a maintenance version release the next; like Leopard & Snow Leopard...
I'll definitely be tempted by an updated Mac Studio. Currently on a 2021 16" MBP which I never really wanted. At the time, I was hoping to upgrade my 27" iMac but Apple hadn't (and still hasn't) updated it. The MBP is a beautiful laptop but ultimately I want a desktop.
I'm not asking for any of Apple's hardware to be delayed or cancelled, but there are distinct cases where GPU performance is critical. For example, Apple is supporting development of Blender which has an amazing GPU renderer, but increasingly has little hardware to really make use of it. So if there's no new Mac Pro – or its GPU performance is hobbled by Apple's SoC design – I'll just chuck another W6800X Duo in my MP and call it a day.
....but as long as Apple is supporting development for Apple Silicon the upshot of that is a Metal/Apple Silicon-optimised pro-grade 3D package that will run far better on a 14" MacBook Pro than on any comparable PC laptop (sweaty 'luggables' with 30 minute battery life excluded) - well enough to satisfy a lot of customers needs. The danger is, a shiny new Mac Pro with AMD dGPUs (or even NVIDIA, which is unlikely, but what a a lot of people want) might not incentivise developers to optimise for Apple Silicon integrated graphics.
Apple has a proud history of walking away from markets in which they can no longer offer a distinctive product (e.g. printers, servers, wifi products).
*All of these pro packages are a "piece of string" - high-end users may genuinely need insane GPU and RAM specs to do their job but they can still do useful things on smaller systems - and if running Blender - which doesn't need MacOS - as fast as possible is your goal you can almost certainly beat the Mac Pro with a generic Intel/AMD/NVIDIA system.
Re: "Mac 14,13 and Mac 14,14"...
Methinks most folks are overlooking the long-overdue iMac and iMac Pro model updates, one to replace the 27" and another to address/solve the previously-rumored 32" model, respectively.
Bringing full-screen HDR-video content creation to the masses using their current 254ppi XDR MBP display technology...a quad-sized 14.2" panel would yield a 28.4" 6048x3928 display (to replace/update the 27") and a quad-sized 16.2" panel yielding a 32.4" 6912x4468 display (to satisfy the old 32" rumor), both with 1016 dimming zones.
Both should be a walk-in-the-park for Cupertino.
Kicking things up a notch to address the 8K HDR video-content folks, a 9-times MBP XDR display would work out to 9072x5892 @42.6" diagonal or 10368x6702 @48.6" diagonal panels, both with 2,286 dimmable zones! Again, just using and upsizing their existing MBP XDR display tech and specs.
Seems like a "Tim Cook finger-snap" for a new MacPro XDR Display!
Methinks most folks are overlooking the long-overdue iMac and iMac Pro model updates, one to replace the 27" and another to address/solve the previously-rumored 32" model, respectively.
Bringing full-screen HDR-video content creation to the masses using their current 254ppi XDR MBP display technology...a quad-sized 14.2" panel would yield a 28.4" 6048x3928 display (to replace/update the 27") and a quad-sized 16.2" panel yielding a 32.4" 6912x4468 display (to satisfy the old 32" rumor), both with 1016 dimming zones.
Both should be a walk-in-the-park for Cupertino.
Kicking things up a notch to address the 8K HDR video-content folks, a 9-times MBP XDR display would work out to 9072x5892 @42.6" diagonal or 10368x6702 @48.6" diagonal panels, both with 2,286 dimmable zones! Again, just using and upsizing their existing MBP XDR display tech and specs.
Seems like a "Tim Cook finger-snap" for a new MacPro XDR Display!
Have you tried the latest Docker on apple silicon? There is an option to use Rosetta (on docker 4.19) for emulation and it speeds up the build process quite a bit. Even without this feature, you can still target the x86/amd64 arch, but it was really slow.