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What do you think of a move by Apple to go with all built-in iSights?

  • Good move. I've been wanting built-in iSights in the Apple Displays

    Votes: 150 33.6%
  • Bad move... the external version had its uses

    Votes: 146 32.7%
  • Whatever... I'll just get another brand's webcam

    Votes: 11 2.5%
  • Already have an iSight (built-in or external)

    Votes: 139 31.2%

  • Total voters
    446
  • Poll closed .
I know this may not be the forum for it, but a really quick question.

I don't have a .Mac account, nor do I want to get one. I would never get a AOL IM account. What is the best free app for using iChat out there?


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I havent tried it, but heard good things about Adium, especially for connecting to multiple types of chat software.
http://www.adiumx.com/
 
And there have been rumours of new displays with built-in iSights forever. They were supposed to come out at Photokina as well, no?

I don't know who these sources are, but maybe I should send in rumours to these websites and call myself an inside source as well. Surely I have a very small chance of being wrong.

PS: Total upgrade from Merom at WWDC 07. New integrated graphics for MacBooks. I'm sure many inside sources will agree with me and submit the same rumours.
 
There are many large offices that don't allow cameras of any kind to be on employee's desks, for security reasons.

I wonder how this will play out in those types of businesses?

Wouldn't the rules be for PORTABLE cameras? So, you know, you could take a picture of something and take it out of the building?

The monitor can't store a picture. The photo HAS to go into the computer. At such a job all computers should be secure. In other words, you can't get the computer or the data on it out of the building wihtout anyone knowing.

So if the computer's secure, and the only place the iSight can save an image is the computer...well, I'm not sure it's a problem.

Now, iSights on LAPTOPS is an entirely different issue...
 
The trouble is Apple would then have to make 2 kinds of aluminum housings for the displays, those with iSight and those without.

Or they could simply put a raised Apple Logo over the iSight cutout. No big deal even if they did make 2 housings. It's just the stock housing with a hole cut into it.:rolleyes:
 
I head the decision was made for them by the EU's ban on lead. A lot of electronics can no longer be sold in Europe. This is a good thing because all of this stuff ends up in landfills and the metals leach into the water. If the ban takes effect in Jan 07 and Macworld is in Jan 07 that could explain why the new replacement is not announced yet, they are waiting.

Credit goes to Aple managment for running the inventory to zero right at 2006 year end.

If you really need one now just buy some non-Apple brand webcam

Yes, less lead in landfills is a good thing. But I believe a sound and practical recycling program would have done the trick, lead-free solders are not as high quality as lead solders which could mean more product failures. There is already an incident of a nuclear plant system malfunction do to the use of lead-free solder. Like I said, an good recycling program would help keep these materials from getting into soil, drinking water, and populations; plus, it's not like ROHS reduces landfills anyway. With more product failures, do to lead-free solder, ROHS could potentially increase landfills.
 
Wouldn't the rules be for PORTABLE cameras? So, you know, you could take a picture of something and take it out of the building?

The monitor can't store a picture. The photo HAS to go into the computer. At such a job all computers should be secure. In other words, you can't get the computer or the data on it out of the building wihtout anyone knowing.

So if the computer's secure, and the only place the iSight can save an image is the computer...well, I'm not sure it's a problem.

Now, iSights on LAPTOPS is an entirely different issue...

true, but Email and Printed copies can leave the building
 
true, but Email and Printed copies can leave the building

Well if security is that lax I can't see why they'd ban cameras in the first place!

If one is really allowed to take print-outs with them, what's to stop them from taking the original document? Or hand-copying it and taking that? Clearly any place that bans cameras is going to have contol over what leaves the building.

I still can't think of a single reason to ban this type of camera in a place that bans cell-phone or laptop cameras. Those I understand. But this? I can't think of a single way to use it nefariously in such a situation. The camera simply copies data onto a computer which, presumibly, already has lots of OTHER secret information on it! Either all of that data is secure or it isn't. Adding a camera won't change anything. If all that other data is not secure, why are they worried about a camera? They've got bigger problems. And if it IS secure, well, the camera doesn't change anything then.
 
Wouldn't the rules be for PORTABLE cameras? So, you know, you could take a picture of something and take it out of the building?

The monitor can't store a picture. The photo HAS to go into the computer. At such a job all computers should be secure. In other words, you can't get the computer or the data on it out of the building wihtout anyone knowing.

So if the computer's secure, and the only place the iSight can save an image is the computer...well, I'm not sure it's a problem.

Now, iSights on LAPTOPS is an entirely different issue...

Hmmm...lets see, I take a pic w/the screen save it to flashdrive and then leave the building. BTW I happen to have a pen that unscrews in the center to reveal, yep you guessed it flash drive--theyre so teenie now adays...:D

Other places that are not so secure, but still have privacy rules and internet access, well you then don't actually have to walk out w/data on you now?
 
Hmmm...lets see, I take a pic w/the screen save it to flashdrive and then leave the building.

So cameras aren't allowed, but you're allowed to steal anything that's already on a computer?

I don't buy it. Show me a company that bans cameras but allow you to use and leave with flash drives. I can't believe such a company exists. And if you're free to send stuff via the 'net, well just type into hotmail what you're looking at and hit send! You don't need to take a picture of it to steal it.

Either the data is secure or it isn't. The camera changes nothing unless the camera ITSELF is able to leave the building. That's why cell-phone cameras are banned in places like that.
 
So cameras aren't allowed, but you're allowed to steal anything that's already on a computer?

I don't buy it. Show me a company that bans cameras but allow you to use and leave with flash drives. I can't believe such a company exists. And if you're free to send stuff via the 'net, well just type into hotmail what you're looking at and hit send! You don't need to take a picture of it to steal it.

Either the data is secure or it isn't. The camera changes nothing unless the camera ITSELF is able to leave the building. That's why cell-phone cameras are banned in places like that.

You seem to have an awful lot of faith in security. There are different levels of security and it is at the whim of human nature and budgets. I don't know where you live, but the local hospital does not do pat downs of employees with access to medical records. We have even had problems at the national level, like CIA agents who were Soviet spys (Aldrich Ames, 2001). Furthermore, I seem to remember that former employees of Los Alamos labs w/access to data on nuclear weapons had little difficulty leaving the premises w/data. Some may have handed nuclear data to the chinese.

So you can have a pretty secure place and still have theft. If you are in security you dont want to provide any potential tools for theft, so no cameras whether in laptops, phones or screens...:D
 
So you can have a pretty secure place and still have theft. If you are in security you dont want to provide any potential tools for theft, so no cameras whether in laptops, phones or screens...:D

I understand that stuff can be stolen and nothing is really secure. But no one has yet explained how a camera in a monitor would make stealing any EASIER. No one here has explained that to me yet. EVERY single idea posted here could also be done without the camera.

I still can't think of any plots that require a monitor camera to pull off.
 
How much do you think I could get for an unopened, brand new iSight?
I saw a few at a campus store, hmm...

EDIT: I guess the best question is, since I can look on ebay, how much did they cost retail/how much would I expect to pay?
 
I understand that stuff can be stolen and nothing is really secure. But no one has yet explained how a camera in a monitor would make stealing any EASIER. No one here has explained that to me yet. EVERY single idea posted here could also be done without the camera.

I still can't think of any plots that require a monitor camera to pull off.

That's logic, though. Which has absolutely nothing to do with policy, whether public or private. It all ties in with the reason that I disbelieve in the 9/11 conspiracy, the JFK conspiracy, the TWA Flight 800 conspiracy, and the Britney Spears conspiracy. The simple truth is that people all over the world are stupid. In fact, I'm willing to bet that 9 out of 10 people looking at this thread are irredeemably stupid. No, no one in particular -- I'd get banned for saying that ;)

I'll explain. I was in the Navy for a few years, trained to be a Nuclear power plant operator. The training areas were "locked down," in the Navy's amusing idea of security. Although the information at the school wasn't of critical importance (NOFORN [NO FOReign Nationals) and Confidential), the tightness of security at school was supposed to train us for our future roles in handling information that went up to Top Secret. So I feel fairly justified in saying that the Navy wanted it to be a tightly-controlled institution, even though any interested parties could find what we learned in those first two phases of training by visiting their local library. There is only one thing that I have not seen before in other information about nuclear power plants, and that is a temperature. Supposedly, that temperature is a highly-guarded secret.

Anyway, no cell phones were allowed. No cameras were allowed. All paper brought in had to be stamped NOFORN (in the first phase of training) or Confidential (in the second phase), which would make it illegal for us to remove that paper from the premises. No PDAs, calculators capable of storing values, nothing like that.

And yet, the training consisted largely of rote memorization and recitation. Of course, we also understood how it all worked, but we first needed to recite procedure, definitions, and so forth word for word. We didn't create steam plants -- we drew them exactly as they were drawn for us.

So, while we couldn't take a blurry low-res photo, or email a list of specifications to Ivan the Krazy KGB Kontact... we had our near-perfect understanding and eidetic recall of the information, which, I should remind you, was a necessary condition of passing the training.

To this day (and I was in the Navy years ago), I can probably explain the US Navy's nuclear power plants in both surface and submarine configurations, primary and secondary and auxiliary systems, and draw near-perfect diagrams of them down to the numbers assigned to the valves.
 
You don't know how many frustrated people trying to buy an iSight for their older Macs I've seen at CompUSA.
 
iSight and ACD

It's likely that Apple is going to introduce new iSight integrated ACDs. However, if iTV is coming soon and there is an IR port with a remote like the one we have now. Why would they bother to put an iSight on the ACD and a remote when the pro users don't really need it. I don't think that I'd like to see a cam staring at me every time when I'm using the computer. I'm not saying that I'm all right. Just don't think that is going to happen too soon.

Apple would keep the integrity of the pro product. Why would you buy an expensive Mac Pro to watch movies with Frontrow and a video chat? Do you think that Apple would want to affect their iMac business? That is an option when iTV comes in. They probably realized that all their products have a built-in iSight, so Mac Pro needs one too. However, most pro users won't care for it. so iTV becomes a neutral option for them. I think iSight is just being refreshed because of the lead issue and they might use USB 2.0 too? You never know what Apple would do with their innovation.
 
It's likely that Apple is going to introduce new iSight integrated ACDs. However, if iTV is coming soon and there is an IR port with a remote like the one we have now. Why would they bother to put an iSight on the ACD and a remote when the pro users don't really need it. I don't think that I'd like to see a cam staring at me every time when I'm using the computer. I'm not saying that I'm all right. Just don't think that is going to happen too soon.

Very true. Why make the display have isight function when it would lessen it's appropriateness for professional settings? :confused: Much better to release the new isight as a separate product that will act as an isight camera and enable front row on older macs :eek: . Would make sense, i think, unless there is already a way to have front-row on your G5?
Also what about wirless isight? Or perhaps a frontrow chat application? Thoughts ;)
 
maybe true

I talked to a representative who has worked for Apple for quite some time... he said that historically speaking when Apple stopped selling something, that means the new stuff is coming soon. The reason they do it much earlier is because they don't want to piss off any buyers who just bought the older product. For the online orders, sometimes they would just ask you to change your order. They would send you the new product. Like before MacBook Pro was introduced, people ordered their PowerBooks just right before it... they got upgraded to MacBook Pro... so if the new displays are coming this soon.. they shouldn't have just discontinued iSight, but also their ACDs. Hope this insight would help the iSight issue...
 
I talked to a representative who has worked for Apple for quite some time... he said that historically speaking when Apple stopped selling something, that means the new stuff is coming soon. The reason they do it much earlier is because they don't want to piss off any buyers who just bought the older product. For the online orders, sometimes they would just ask you to change your order. They would send you the new product. Like before MacBook Pro was introduced, people ordered their PowerBooks just right before it... they got upgraded to MacBook Pro... so if the new displays are coming this soon.. they shouldn't have just discontinued insight, but also their ACDs. Hope this insight would help the iSight issue...

Now this theory makes sense
 
I talked to a representative who has worked for Apple for quite some time... he said that historically speaking when Apple stopped selling something, that means the new stuff is coming soon. The reason they do it much earlier is because they don't want to piss off any buyers who just bought the older product. For the online orders, sometimes they would just ask you to change your order. They would send you the new product. Like before MacBook Pro was introduced, people ordered their PowerBooks just right before it... they got upgraded to MacBook Pro... so if the new displays are coming this soon.. they shouldn't have just discontinued iSight, but also their ACDs. Hope this insight would help the iSight issue...

Yep, sound but Apple may have decided to produce screens with isights and ones without, since many people wont need or want inbuilt isights.

They may also be aiming to bring out new sizes of LCDs possibly with multimedia etc, thus distinguishing them from current models.

In any case, I wouldn't buy anything from Apple until after Macworld
 
Yep, sound but Apple may have decided to produce screens with isights and ones without, since many people wont need or want inbuilt isights.


It's possible, but I don't think they would do two different casings just for that on their ACDs. I don't think it's that easy just to drill a hole for the iSight. They must redesign it in order to fit it. If they would give you an option to choose, why didn't they do it on all other computers? So you can have an iMac or a MacBook without an iSight. But again, I don't know any fact, so you never know...
 
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