Ahh so in other words the their won't be new displays and they won't support HDMI connector or HDCP
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Ahh so in other words the their won't be new displays and they won't support HDMI connector or HDCP
Expect to watch a lot of black pixels then - the people who own the content deserve to be able to control the conditions under which it can be displayed.
Of course, if enough people boycott HDCP by refusing to buy protected content, then perhaps the content owners will reconsider - but don't count on it.
No they don't.
It's like preventing me from ripping CDs and vinyl I already legally own to my iPod for my own personal use, regardless of whether the songs are actually available on iTunes anyway. If the music industry could stop me from doing that - then they would... and heck, it's not like they haven't tried. It's not about what the content owners "deserve", it's about them lining their pockets through user-inconvenience under the guise of inconsistent and outdated copyright law.
Would I buy a pair of HiFi speakers that would only play songs I've bought from iTunes? Since my iTunes-bought songs only comprise about 1% of my music collection, the answer is no. And therefore, I'm not buying a HDCP display either.
I pay for all my content, I always have done. I don't share it with anyone, I never have done. That means I should be able to view / listen to it on any device I want to.
SL
Yeah, but I'm not so sure UDI is ready for prime-time just yet. I'd be surprised if Apple releases a UDI display before the second half of '07, maybe even in '07 at all. The standard is coming along and is the next logical advance beyond DVI/HDMI so we'll see. If they're ready to jump on UDI, then I'm all for it.
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New Displays
While I haven't heard for sure there are new displays coming, I can say we've been out of iSights for a while and been told we won't be getting any more. As for HD support, I overheard my manager saying he was waiting for the new Apple displays rather than buying a an HD TV for his PS3.
By the way...if you're looking for more Apple Store inside info...
http://applestoreinsider.blogspot.com
While I haven't heard for sure there are new displays coming, I can say we've been out of iSights for a while and been told we won't be getting any more. As for HD support, I overheard my manager saying he was waiting for the new Apple displays rather than buying a an HD TV for his PS3.
By the way...if you're looking for more Apple Store inside info...
http://applestoreinsider.blogspot.com
Well, any new displays from Apple should support HDCP and standard HDTV signal modes. Only makes sense, most other monitor vendors are already doing this. The Dell x006 and x007 series monitors all are HDCP compliant. Or I should say all of the '07 models are and most of the '06 models. Even the 30".
Another link on emphasized future Apple directions:
http://www.udiwg.org/home
http://www.udiwg.org/about/faq
http://www.udiwg.org/udi_spec/UDI_1_0.pdf
Rocketman
http://www.udiwg.org/home
http://www.udiwg.org/about/faq
http://www.udiwg.org/udi_spec/UDI_1_0.pdf
Rocketman
Whiners
Sometimes I think people take these rumors too seriously or they have some pent up emotions that they like to let out on the forums.
This RUMOR about displays has gotten so many, "I hope Apple doesn't do this and if they do well F**K Apple"
I mean come on! It's just a rumor.
I agree with the folks that just didn't buy an Apple display. If you don't like them or can't afford them then get a Dell or a ViewSonic. If you like plastic in you display then skip the Apple and go right for the cheap stuff
And personally I think the built-in iSight thing is a bad idea unless Apple does it right. Screw the built to order stuff, that just hikes up the cost on one side or the other. IF Apple where to have a display with built-in iSights they need to market it to the consumers with a display that has the price tag of a cheap Dell monitor, and it needs to be made out of something other than aluminum (like plastic ). And the Pros can keep their iSight optional. But update the stand alone iSight to be smaller.
p.s. It was about 100 posts ago where someone said that Apple should take FW800 out of the displays. Okay hardcore consumer with no external drives or card readers. GOTTCHA
Sometimes I think people take these rumors too seriously or they have some pent up emotions that they like to let out on the forums.
This RUMOR about displays has gotten so many, "I hope Apple doesn't do this and if they do well F**K Apple"
I mean come on! It's just a rumor.
I agree with the folks that just didn't buy an Apple display. If you don't like them or can't afford them then get a Dell or a ViewSonic. If you like plastic in you display then skip the Apple and go right for the cheap stuff
And personally I think the built-in iSight thing is a bad idea unless Apple does it right. Screw the built to order stuff, that just hikes up the cost on one side or the other. IF Apple where to have a display with built-in iSights they need to market it to the consumers with a display that has the price tag of a cheap Dell monitor, and it needs to be made out of something other than aluminum (like plastic
). And the Pros can keep their iSight optional. But update the stand alone iSight to be smaller. p.s. It was about 100 posts ago where someone said that Apple should take FW800 out of the displays.
Okay hardcore consumer with no external drives or card readers. GOTTCHASo you work at an Apple Store and are unhappy with the pay, so you start a blog on how to steal from Apple Stores? There are certainly better ways to deal with the problem then that. Have you no dignity?
This was good news... I was going to buy a Cinema Display next year anyway.
But if it comes handicapped by HDCP, then Apple can shove it. I'm not having Intel, Apple or anyone telling me what I can and can't watch.
SL
I thought HDCP was like an "extra feature," not a limitation. How does it "handicap" the display? I certainly don't know everything about HDCP but this confuses me.
Apple will sell media displays. Whether they are an also-ran like in computer displays or a market leader like in iPods depends on :
1. First to market
2. Compelling features
3. To some degree price and distribution (iPods broke that barrier).
4. Integration with existing and compelling future/co-released products
I have no idea where this will end up.
Rocketman
But if it comes handicapped by HDCP, then Apple can shove it. I'm not having Intel, Apple or anyone telling me what I can and can't watch.
SL
It's not so much a handicap as a key. NOT having HDCP will cause you just as much trouble.
It's not my blog, I just came across it. But I do understand the frustration. Apple doesn't secure their stores very well, but apparently have no issue with claiming high overhead due to theft is a reason for their business model, hence the low wages they extend to employees. I would think there are better ways to point out things like that though.
Back on the issue of the displays...I'm not sure adding an iSight to the new displays means they are getting rid of the stand alone iSight. After all, there are tons of Macs out there without iSights they could sell to, not to mention PC users. More on that in a moment. And don't forget, Apple markets the Mac Mini, which is due for a revision in January, as "Bring your own monitor, keyboard and mouse." They're not going to leave those users in the dark.
Also keep in mind that Apple has always bragged about their displays being PC compatible. If they put an iSight in there, they'll need to make sure it works on PC's as well. Since they'll have to do that...the stand alone iSight makes even more sense. Another Mac gadget to show the world how great Apple products are, which will get more switchers.
This was good news... I was going to buy a Cinema Display next year anyway.
But if it comes handicapped by HDCP, then Apple can shove it. I'm not having Intel, Apple or anyone telling me what I can and can't watch.
SL
An output device (like a TV) supporting HDCP is a good thing. That means players that use HDCP will be able to DISPLAY CONTENT.
If the PLAYBACK DEVICE uses HDCP, it's crippled. If the monitor has HDCP, it's versatile.
iSight is hardy a bargain either.
The difference being whether or not a hole and camera is put in the housing. It's not difficult.
Security policies are usually stupid. It's not as if it matters, they can pretend to ban something like that, but are they going to do a full cavity search on everyone?
Cameras are so tiny that I think they can be built into a small thumb drive. They aren't very good quality though.
I thought they fixed that a long time ago. I had not seen a 23" with the tint ever, though I've only bothered to look at them in the last two years.
I think you can get a 42" plasma for just over $1000 now, but that's beside the point.
There is little sense in comparing the price of a computer monitor and that of a TV, they are meant for different uses. A TV makes a nearly useless desktop computer monitor unless you are vision impaired or plan to sit several meters away from the display. The dot pitch and resolution on a TV is a lot lower, many 42" TVs have about the same resolution as a 13" Mac Book. A few of them do have a resolution high enough to be comparable to 23" or 24" computer monitors.
I think so too.. if you get a display after Aug (check the serial number) if it's manufactured after Aug.. the displays are good. I have a 23-inch ACD and it's manufactured in Nov... it's great... it's so bright even though the brightness setting is tuned to the lowest.
The new display rumor has been circulating for a long time. I doubt that Apple will update their displays. They just bumped up the specs in Aug at the WWDC. I think the rumor started because people are speculating that Apple has updated most of their products except for the ACDs... so they are hoping Apple to do that. I guess some people just can't wait to get new stuff.... Seriously, the ACDs we have now are beautiful and great... I have no complaints about them.
Any marketing experts here? maybe you can advise us how Apple is going to do their sales... I'll certainly appreciate that... so I don't have to keep on checking what rumors are coming out...
They are a little too bright for me. I am thinking of picking up sunglasses.
The time since last update doesn't mean much. Apple updated their iMacs and 15" PowerBooks November 05 and, and they were replaced with updated versions three and four months later, respectively. I personally have no vested interest, I have my ACD though I wouldn't mind updating my other monitor. I don't have much use for an iSight, if I did, I'd rather use a camcorder instead. It won't look as good on my end, but the video would be better on the other end.
You're right - he has it backwards. You *WANT* your displays to support HDCP. The HDCP (High Definition Copy Protection) protocol allows for an encrypted link between the display and an HDCP device (up-scaling DVD player, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, many HD satellite, Cable, DVR systems, etc..). It keeps people from making casual copies. Although, that theory is pretty obscure as there really are no recording devices on the market right now with DVI/HDMI inputs and what's available in on the PC side of this is more specialized and expensive. So people aren't going to be ripping off video that way -- nor are they going to get a real good copy by the time they take a compressed source out to an uncompressed signal and then re-encode/compress it to store it on some form of media.
Oh, and if HDCP bothers people that much, or if you want to hook up your BluRay player to a non-HDCP display, there are HDCP filters on the market that make this possible. They're pricey (about $450), as they have to transcode the signal, but there's no visible quality loss. ...For the most part, these devices are only useful to people who want to connect an HDCP protected source to an older monitor... So the electronics industry is turning their back to the existence of these devices... For now.
And this is a good thing for an honest consumer? What? Am I missing something? Lord. Sorry, when I buy a piece of content, I believe I should be able to do with it what I please, as LONG as I don't begin mass transmitting the product on a LARGE scale.
Anyway, (not turn this into a debate on big anti-consumerist "content" owners vs. consumers)... I HIGHLY doubt that Apple is going to put iSights into their displays. I believe the reason why Apple has discontinued the iSight from the store is because an update is coming. At least I hope so.
w00master
Sorry. I shouldn't have assumed it was your blog.
But you do work for an Apple Store, correct? Have you ever heard of someone trading an old mac for a new one? A friend of mine claims to have traded in a PowerBook for a MacBook because he was good friends with an employee at the Apple Store. Just curious.
Thanks for the info on HDCP to those who answered me. That's what I thought it was.
So as it stands now, 65% of members on here either already have an iSight or think this is a bad move vs 32.3% thinking its good. Ouch.
Personally I'll be really peeved off if they replace the displays now. If they were releasing new displays they should have done it at the same time as the Mac Pro was launched since now thousands of customers who bought ACDs at the same time as their Mac Pros will be peeved off at the rapid replacement. I know its been a few months since the Mac Pros were released but having hardware being replaced just four months or so after you've spent £1500 on a display isn't very nice, nor is the value drop that would happen. I don't mind as much if they make them brighter or whatnot but I'll be upset if my display looks 'old' in a month's time. Sure its to be expected that things get replaced but not so soon after the launch of the system with which said display is usually purchased. Hopefully some of you can read some sense into my ramblings here!!
Personally I'll be really peeved off if they replace the displays now. If they were releasing new displays they should have done it at the same time as the Mac Pro was launched since now thousands of customers who bought ACDs at the same time as their Mac Pros will be peeved off at the rapid replacement. I know its been a few months since the Mac Pros were released but having hardware being replaced just four months or so after you've spent £1500 on a display isn't very nice, nor is the value drop that would happen. I don't mind as much if they make them brighter or whatnot but I'll be upset if my display looks 'old' in a month's time. Sure its to be expected that things get replaced but not so soon after the launch of the system with which said display is usually purchased. Hopefully some of you can read some sense into my ramblings here!!
All these new Mac goodies!!! At least now with "new" displays coming out I may finally be able to afford the "old" model.
I hear you brother, I bought my Mac mini DAYS before the intel models were released. Your case isn't THAT bad, though. They may have better refresh rates, or sport different sizes. The iSight intergration is nice too, but it is just a display at the end of the day. I have a Dell that has been a trooper for me. Now all I want is to get the older version of the ACD when the new ones are released (ironic).
I hear you brother, I bought my Mac mini DAYS before the intel models were released. Your case isn't THAT bad, though. They may have better refresh rates, or sport different sizes. The iSight intergration is nice too, but it is just a display at the end of the day. I have a Dell that has been a trooper for me. Now all I want is to get the older version of the ACD when the new ones are released (ironic).
Which combined to the comment that SJ said when showing off Leopar at the developers conference that Apple was going to "support more third party cameras" in iChat would suggest that add-on cameras (stand alone or integrated into external displayes) is not where Apple is going - in the short to medium term (way after Leopard is released).
Apple exists to make money. There is no better way to do it than to sell the same thing to people twice. Look at the rapid change in the iPod - a consumer product that changes every year. Apple considers their products (with the exception of the Mac Pro) to be commodity electronics (hence general lack of user-servicable parts in the iMac and Mini - they don't want the average customer poking around in there anymore than Sony lets people modify their DVD player). From a marketing point of view holding fire on new displays until after the Xmas feeding frenzy has let them off-load as many of the old ones as they can is a "good move". Truth is, only suckers buy computer gear in the run up to the holiday season.
Better to wait for the new stuff that will always arrive by about April...Computers and associated peripherals are not an investment or an asset. They are an expense. The slow rate of hardware updates that the whole G5 thing brought to the Apple world has resulted in a false impression. Alot of Mac users are due for a very rude awakening over the next year or two... I pay £3,000 for my Mac Pro. I run it for 3 to 5 years. I give it to a family member when I replace it becasue I'd be lucky to get 10% of it's worth. That is how it has been with every computer I've owned over the last 25 years. The rate of change in the market has (if anything) accelerated.
The same thing is happening with LCD displayes. Apple is going to have to "get with the program" and produce better and less expensive displays than what they currently offer if they want to be taken seriously. The Mac Pro shows that they can compete on features and price both. It is time they did so with the ACDs too.
Bad Move
I have been a faithfull mac user for alost 20 years - i own 10 macs, a few ipods, have bought apple software over the years and my buisness is as apple centric as a buisness can be. I own a bit of apple stock.
If apple puts a 'little camera' in all of the new displays I would not only be highly dissapointted and would consider this the first big mistake they have made for years, but would begin to seriosly loose the 'faith'.
They are already pricing themselves out of the display and monitor market as it is - thsi move would aggravate that - the prices on the monitors have to come down significanlty in order for apple to compete across the board.
please Steve - don't do it.
I joined this board today, to make my first comment in 20 years on apple strategy ....until now i felt you dind't need my comments - now i think you really do
I have been a faithfull mac user for alost 20 years - i own 10 macs, a few ipods, have bought apple software over the years and my buisness is as apple centric as a buisness can be. I own a bit of apple stock.
If apple puts a 'little camera' in all of the new displays I would not only be highly dissapointted and would consider this the first big mistake they have made for years, but would begin to seriosly loose the 'faith'.
They are already pricing themselves out of the display and monitor market as it is - thsi move would aggravate that - the prices on the monitors have to come down significanlty in order for apple to compete across the board.
please Steve - don't do it.
I joined this board today, to make my first comment in 20 years on apple strategy ....until now i felt you dind't need my comments - now i think you really do