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to the ugly comment:
A local architect has his emacs in their windows, with the backside facing out. Looks fantastic from that view.
to the "real hd" comment:
Another manufacturer, I don't remember which, is following Apple's lead on the laptop drives in their desktops. Lower heat, less power consumption, smaller dimensions, and increasing capacity all point to the future of HDs. Remember, HDs weren't always this size, just like the floppy.
I'm really wanting a new computer now!
 
Emac... the E is for?

Hmmm... What could the E in E mac be for? This would probably reveal the essence of the Emac. We all know that all the Ilife and Imac and Isight is all about "creativity of yourself" but seriously whats with the E?

My guess.... it stands for EDUCATIONAL.... schools like Emacs... they can do stuff for cheap... sure macminis are alright but... emacs are solid (not to mention hard to steal).. Mac mini's with a monitor tho now... have a crappier graphix card.. If i were a school i would buy an EducationalMac :D

--> NOW... about those ibooks/powerbooks... I fear for Apple seeing their laptops... when the top grade laptop is COMPARIBLE to not only the lower notebook but a mac mini... there is something wrong. The PRO line is on its death bed... without the best being the BEST we can only stay where we are. The emac and imac updates were AWESOME just because THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.. now how about notebooks... let us hope for something good.
My guess:
No powerbook update till june. Update will have an improved graphix card, dual core G4s and longer battery life (they better improve the 12 incher cause the ibook 12 incher is almost the same)
ibook updates in june as well. Update will have an improved graphix card, single core 1.5 Ghz (welll pretty much a plastic powerbook :p)

really hoping for an ibook or powerbook 12incher

Cheers
ini
 
Everyone forgets...

Without any inside knowledge, there is little doubt that the most obvious of updates will be to the XServe and XServe RAID lines at WWDC. With XSan 1.1 likely to be on its way out by then, there will be MANY customers. Once it comes out with its ACL support and high availablity (with auto-failover), they will sell a lot of licenses.

I know this is typically a consumer site, but honestly the improvements in OS X server are much more significant than the client. And given that WWDC has an Enterprise IT track, there will likely be products that align to that.
 
no, I am pretty sure that the e stands for educational mac. Don't forget it started out education only. Had to be ed. eligible just to be able to purchase it.
 
w00t! a great computer gets a great update! i sort of feel like an idiot for having "just gotten this thing." but then i realize it was 5 months ago lol...besides, i already have more than 512 ram and a 16x+dl drive...graphics card is really good although puzzling why it's better than the low-end powermac. :confused:
 
~Shard~ said:
Probably not for what people tend to do on an eMac though - I don't know any eMac users who do anything more than use Mail, Safari and possibly Office. The extra RAM would probably make things a bit snappier in iPhoto, iTunes, etc., but I doubt anyone is going to be installing FCP on their eMac. :eek: :cool:

your doubt have already came true far long time ago
design institute here is using eMac
I also know production house uses eMac
and doing heavy stuff like you and me

the world still have ppl without too much budget, but need a all-in-one Mac.
 
legalnut said:
After a cursory search on Dell's site this is what I came up with...
OH MY GOD! The Dell is cheaper than the Mac!!! I can't believe it!

Thank you, but this has been pointed out before. Many times. A PC you build yourself is even cheaper. But it's not an all-in-one that comes with OS X.4. That's a deal breaker for a lot of people. You get what you pay for.

So, where's e with that pic of a smilie beating a dead horse?
 
stephenli said:
your doubt have already came true far long time ago
design institute here is using eMac
I also know production house uses eMac
and doing heavy stuff like you and me

the world still have ppl without too much budget, but need a all-in-one Mac.

Fair enough then, I stand corrected! :)
 
e stands for Education
i stands for Internet

NO BODY ARGUE. Please. I am sure of this. Argue and I report you to the mods because I am grumpy.

Thank you for your cooperation. (Fake: :))
 
poundsmack said:
the e means economical (i think)
The e in eMac stands for Education, or at least originally did, just as the i in iMac originally stood for Internet. As was mentioned earlier, there was a time when the eMac was only sold to educational institutions, dealers could not carry them and a consumer could not buy one. When the iMac went to G4 and Flat Panel, then Apple opened up sales of the eMac to everyone.
 
I'm a bit disappointed Apple didn't throw in 512 MB RAM into both configurations. 256 is not enough for Tiger. Running 4 Dashboard widgets will consume about 80 MB of RAM alone. So Dashboard is not useable in such a system. Although some people won't agree, I stick to my claim that 256 is not enough to run Tiger efficiently.
 
I agree.

hvfsl said:
With new PMs, iMacs and eMacs, it will be interesting to see what they release at WWDC. The only thing I can think of is new iPods. The PowerBooks and iBooks were updated not too long ago and the Mac mini is only a few months old.

What will they think of next? Something mind blowing? A new iApp? That darn aesteroid thingie? I am sure it will involve music and a performance. What need could they possibly fulfill. I sure would like an iBulb with bluetooth. Two-button mouse? Socks? I really can't think of anything Apple could do. Maybe a serious effort to take out Office? Hmmm. Very interesting. :)
 
m4r71n1 said:
Hmmm... What could the E in E mac be for? This would probably reveal the essence of the Emac. We all know that all the Ilife and Imac and Isight is all about "creativity of yourself" but seriously whats with the E?

My guess.... it stands for EDUCATIONAL.... schools like Emacs... they can do stuff for cheap... sure macminis are alright but... emacs are solid (not to mention hard to steal).. Mac mini's with a monitor tho now... have a crappier graphix card.. If i were a school i would buy an EducationalMac :D

--> NOW... about those ibooks/powerbooks... I fear for Apple seeing their laptops... when the top grade laptop is COMPARIBLE to not only the lower notebook but a mac mini... there is something wrong. The PRO line is on its death bed... without the best being the BEST we can only stay where we are. The emac and imac updates were AWESOME just because THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.. now how about notebooks... let us hope for something good.
My guess:
No powerbook update till june. Update will have an improved graphix card, dual core G4s and longer battery life (they better improve the 12 incher cause the ibook 12 incher is almost the same)
ibook updates in june as well. Update will have an improved graphix card, single core 1.5 Ghz (welll pretty much a plastic powerbook :p)

really hoping for an ibook or powerbook 12incher

Cheers
ini



Unfortunately, I really see this talk of dual core G4s in 2005 as being a pipe dream. Dual core is just now coming out from Intel and AMD, and if you check the prices you will see these puppies cost a lot. Like, $800+. For the opterons, much more. I really doubt that IBM will be ready to deliver dual core G4s this year.

On the flip side, there are 1.8Ghz G4s out now. That gives some upwards mobility to the G4 line for 2005. Not a lot, but some. Then there are the hard drives with a big flash cache (1gb) that Apple is looking at. Video still has room for upwards movement.

That's basically what I'd expect, a bump for iBooks to 1.33 - 1.5Ghz and 64mb GF5200 or 9600. Powerbooks to the 1.67 - 1.8ghz range, and mobility 9800s with 128Meg. If you also throw in a flash drive on the PowerBooks, they will be quite speedy for many apps - and perhaps even more importantly, it could significantly increase the battery life.
 
shady28 said:
I really doubt that IBM will be ready to deliver dual core G4s this year.

personaly I dont think we will ever see a dual core G4 from IBM, especialy since Freescale makes the G4 :D
 
legalnut said:
the low end should be $499 and the high end $699 ... have they looked at what that kind of money will get you in the PC biz these days ?
Ok, let us compare. This idea that PCs are such an incredible deal is proven wrong everytime it's brought up (except for pure gaming machines) so here we go again...
CPU
IntelTM PentiumTM 4 processor 630 with HT Technology (3.0GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB L2 cache)
---
1.8GHz PowerPC G5

I would say these CPUs are fairly even match. The P4 might have a slight edge, though.

OS
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
---
OS 10.4 Tiger

Ok, all bias aside, Tiger is the same full featured OS shipped on the Pro level machines. None of the crippled OS idea from Apple. Definite edge here to Tiger.

RAM
512MB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz
---
512MB DDR 400

Same thing.

Monitor
17" Flat panel monitor
---
17" Flat panel monitor

Same thing again. I didn't check the specifics like refresh rate, so one or the other might have a small edge.

HD
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
---
160GB Serial ATA hard drive

Well, double the size. Obvious win for Apple here.

Video
128MB PCI ExpressT x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI RadeonT X300 SE
---
128MB ATI Radeon 9600

Edge to the Dell here... but nothing TOO major. Definite win though.

Support
90-Day Limited Warranty
---
1 Year Limited Warranty

Clear win for Apple.

Price
Dell:
$1,150
Apple:
$1,299.00


All things considered, they are evenly priced machines. The advantages are fairly well matched for both. I would say the Dell has got some more power going for it, but featurewise the iMac wins.

So, even if we put aside all personal preferences (I think the iMac is an engineering masterpiece, and Tiger would easily best Windows XP), the match is very close even hardware wise.

Apple is definitely very competitive with this upgrade.
 
MrJohnson said:
What the hell are you talking about? I've used Windows XP sine it's came out and have never gotten a virus. I've done this simply by not opening attachments that seem fishy. And Spyware? Now that Firefox has near 10% marketshare there is no reason to even use Internet Explorer anymore. And if you absolutly need IE then Microsoft also has their own Anti-spyware that's FREE from their webpage, and it's actually very good.

But not only that but Most Dell's come with free firewall/virus software.

Here is a quote from the Microsoft website " You need to be running a version of Internet Explorer 5 or higher in order to use Windows Update." So, it is not true that "there is no reason to even use Internet Explorer anymore."

And anybody who knows anything about security will tell you to use more than one anti-spyware program anyway.

The problem with windows xp is that even with sp2 unwanted programs apparently can just get privileges over your system and then not just slow down your system but worse.

I use Netscape 7.2 and recently noticed a slowdown. I found 54 spyware programs using spybot and then afterwards I used ad-aware found 14 more.

I don't use firefox yet because there are still certain problems with the browser:
see "Top ten Firefox browser annoyances" from the inquirer.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22634

The security and anti-virus from Dell is free for 90 days and sometimes even 15 months, but then you must pay $60-80 per year to be secure. It depends on the system you purchase.
And even with all the security software, you are not always secure, because you must patch for all your different security programs.


It's great that you never got a virus, but I got 2 in 4 years and they were caught by a virus program. There are over 72,000 viruses for XP (I think that's the number) and recently I read there may, perhaps be 1 for OS X. You do the math.

But hey, I'll let Dell speak for me. The probability of these things happening is significantly less on a Mac:

"Viruses. Spam. Hackers. Spyware. Identity theft. Worms. As the volume of threats to your PC rise, it becomes increasingly important to get protected and stay that way.

Dell understands that keeping your system safe is critical. We've partnered with two of the world's leading manufacturers of security software to provide you with affordable products to guard your PC from the various threats that currently exist.

Downtime. Lost productivity. Corrupt data. With Internet threats on the rise, the right protection has never been more critical. In the event of an infection, remember Dell does not provide support without an additional fee. However, McAfee and Symantec offer industry-leading software protection compatibility tested to work with your new DellTM system to help protect against these threats.

If you choose to not subscribe at this time, your system will automatically ship with a 90 day trial of either Norton Internet SecurityTM 2004 or McAfee SecurityCenter. To insure that your system stays protected beyond this period, Dell recommends that you sign up now for one of the security subscriptions to help protect your system against security related issues. In the event of virus or security related problems, Dell can provide telephone support and troubleshooting for an additional fee.1 The cost of these services can range from $39 per incident plus the cost of security software at $50 to $69.) Therefore, purchasing security software with your computer purchase can prevent your system from ever being infected with many known viruses, and thus result in lower long-term costs while helping protect your PC from prevalent threats."
 
Zaty said:
I'm a bit disappointed Apple didn't throw in 512 MB RAM into both configurations. 256 is not enough for Tiger. Running 4 Dashboard widgets will consume about 80 MB of RAM alone. So Dashboard is not useable in such a system.

The RAM displayed in Activity Monitor is actually a much higher number than the physical RAM being used. That's because OS X's virtual memory makes RAM measurement more complicated than "one app, one number." Dashboard DOES work with 256 MB of RAM.

I recommend 512 for OS X, and many people would prefer that--but some WILL do fine with 256. Thus, that's the bottom amount offered for lowest cost.

Re appearance, my eMac gets compliments all the time for being the best looking monitor ever! Then they try to find the tower :D And I use it for heavy-duty stuff: GarageBand, Photoshop, even UT2004. It's a first-gen 700Mhz eMac! Does it do those things superbly well? Not always. I prefer my PowerBook. But it does them--and I ran my design business off it for a long time. It was a great buy at the time for $1100, and the current sub-$800 eMacs simply blow it away.
 
trose said:
Ok, let us compare. This idea that PCs are such an incredible deal is proven wrong everytime it's brought up (except for pure gaming machines) so here we go again...
CPU
IntelTM PentiumTM 4 processor 630 with HT Technology (3.0GHz, 800 FSB, 2MB L2 cache)
---
1.8GHz PowerPC G5

I would say these CPUs are fairly even match. The P4 might have a slight edge, though.

OS
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
---
OS 10.4 Tiger

Ok, all bias aside, Tiger is the same full featured OS shipped on the Pro level machines. None of the crippled OS idea from Apple. Definite edge here to Tiger.

RAM
512MB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz
---
512MB DDR 400

Same thing.

Monitor
17" Flat panel monitor
---
17" Flat panel monitor

Same thing again. I didn't check the specifics like refresh rate, so one or the other might have a small edge.

HD
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
---
160GB Serial ATA hard drive

Well, double the size. Obvious win for Apple here.

Video
128MB PCI ExpressT x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI RadeonT X300 SE
---
128MB ATI Radeon 9600

Edge to the Dell here... but nothing TOO major. Definite win though.

Support
90-Day Limited Warranty
---
1 Year Limited Warranty

Clear win for Apple.

Price
Dell:
$1,150
Apple:
$1,299.00


All things considered, they are evenly priced machines. The advantages are fairly well matched for both. I would say the Dell has got some more power going for it, but featurewise the iMac wins.

So, even if we put aside all personal preferences (I think the iMac is an engineering masterpiece, and Tiger would easily best Windows XP), the match is very close even hardware wise.

Apple is definitely very competitive with this upgrade.

Actually the R9600 is quite a bit faster than the X300se. The X300 series are cut down R9600 cores with a PCI-EX interface. The SE generally means the card has 64bit memory (compared to the normal 128bit) which makes it even slower.
 
With Powermac G5's, iMac G5's , and eMacs updated ....

iBooks still need to be updated ( last one was October ?) and could be speedbumped upto 1.67 GHZ G4's ( admit it, iBook customers are a different market than the customers for Powerbooks . Not everyone has the extra cash burning in their pockets to buy a Powerbook. ) for the 15 inch iBooks and 1.5 GHZ G4's for the 12 inch iBook . This update would be good to last until March 2006 .

The Mac Mini's should get the same G4's as the iBooks. They should be updated for WWDC in June 2005 . In January 2006 , the 3 GHZ G5 or dualcore should be available for the Powermac G5's , allowing the entire mac desktop line to be G5's.

Jan 2006 :

Powermac G5's : dual 2.5 , 2.7 , and 3 GHZ, BTO Blu-Ray Superdrive , 2 GB standard ram

iMac G5's : 2 GHZ 17 inch combo drive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray disk reader drive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

2.3 GHZ 17 inch superdrive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray Superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

2.3 GHZ 20 inch superdrive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray Superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

2.5 GHZ 23 inch superdrive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray Superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

eMac G5's : 2 GHZ 17 inch combo drive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray disk reader drive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

2 GHZ 17 inch superdrive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray Superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

SUPER EMAC G5 ? : 2.5 GHZ 20 inch superdrive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports, 2560 X 1536 4:3 CRT display @ 75 HZ . Mostly cost consumer buyers.

Mac Mini G5's : 2 GHZ combo drive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

Mac Mini G5's : 2.5 GHZ combo drive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports
 
RichardCarletta said:
Mac Mini G5's : 2.5 GHZ combo drive , 512 MB standard ram , BTO Blu-Ray superdrive, 2 firewire 400 and 1 firewire 800 ports , 3 USB 2.0 ports

Cooling a 2.5Ghz G5 in a Mini enclosure??? What's that smell? Oh yeah just the plastic melting. They needed liquid cooling to cool these puppies on the big PowerMac which has A LOT more air cooling capacity then the Mini. Granted that was a Dual, but still, I don't see a 2.5 in a Mini for some time unless they can make it run MUCH cooler. Expect to see a newer revision of the Freescale G4, most likely the 7448, power these into the future.
 
by the time a 2.5GHz g5 is in a mini it'll be a low power version, 970GX most likely.

and back OT the new emac should use a 7447B it overclocks well in a tiny mac mini case so it should do well with the emacs heat pipe cooling.
 
What if they could shift things around the interior of the Maci Mini so that the G5 was placed near the top of the case and have venting slots directly above the G5 (have the G5 processor at the very top of the case so that heat could directly escape through venting ) ? It could also work as a hotplate .
 
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