Don't forget the SuperDriven PowerBooks! Those will need to be updated also to take advantage of the new SuperDrives.AppleJustWorks said:
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Its not that I am mad at the update, I am just not impressed by it.
8x superdrive is good for people who make DVD's more than once a month. The extra whopping 250mhz will add a bit more pep to flash animations. I can't get too exited though, a 1.25 Powermac G4 has been available for educational buyers for $1,199 for about a year I think. And the G4 processor they are using has been out for like two years. Why do people complain about getting so much speed at a lower price than the powerbooks? You know the longer Apple keeps using the same technology the cheaper it gets. Yes, they are making a killing on iBooks and Powerbooks, but, is anyone really surprised? I just wish Apple would tell us what PC's the eMacs should be compared to and then test the speed of both systems for us. That way we know just how much better the eMac is than that ol' eMachines. I am tired of not seeing comprehensive speed tests on their machines. It would be nice if they showed us how much faster these are than previous Powermacs.
One last comment. Get rid of the monitor and put the guts of the machine in an upgradable plastic tower and maybe then your market share will go up a little. Apple has everything they need to truly compete and show they are better than the competition, but they keep designing their computers for just a few markets. The general public has already decided that the only all-in-one computers they will buy in mass are laptops.
8x superdrive is good for people who make DVD's more than once a month. The extra whopping 250mhz will add a bit more pep to flash animations. I can't get too exited though, a 1.25 Powermac G4 has been available for educational buyers for $1,199 for about a year I think. And the G4 processor they are using has been out for like two years. Why do people complain about getting so much speed at a lower price than the powerbooks? You know the longer Apple keeps using the same technology the cheaper it gets. Yes, they are making a killing on iBooks and Powerbooks, but, is anyone really surprised? I just wish Apple would tell us what PC's the eMacs should be compared to and then test the speed of both systems for us. That way we know just how much better the eMac is than that ol' eMachines. I am tired of not seeing comprehensive speed tests on their machines. It would be nice if they showed us how much faster these are than previous Powermacs.
One last comment. Get rid of the monitor and put the guts of the machine in an upgradable plastic tower and maybe then your market share will go up a little. Apple has everything they need to truly compete and show they are better than the competition, but they keep designing their computers for just a few markets. The general public has already decided that the only all-in-one computers they will buy in mass are laptops.
To all of those people who wining about PowerBooks, you want some cheese with that wine? You people are the biggest bunch of winers I've ever seen! Do you think Apple has one hardware team? No, they have a separate team the eMac, and one for the iMac, iBook, etc... When Apple gets processors from IBM that don't take up as much heat/power and then they make a logic board to go with them, they will release new PowerBooks with G5's in them. Until then, shut the **** up and quit wining. Its not getting you anywhere is it! When Apple does come out with G5 PowerBooks you'll find something else to bitch about.I have a 1 GHz Flat Panel iMac that is outdated and do you see me wining? There is no pleasing you people!
a17inchFuture said:
man, you are coming over here too?
what do you want apple to do? give you a free upgrade? a refund? hold back eMac update?
when you bought your computer, the only thing apple promised you is that you get what you decide to pay for. and you did. you bought a PB for a price you perceived to be at a reasonable level. that's it. apple didn't promise you that your PB will remain top of the line. apple didn't promise you that your PB specs will not be matched by an eMac. (by the way, eMac was not exactly light years behind PB before this update. if you think now eMac "matches" PB then you should have seen before the update that eMac is significantly cheaper than PB for not much less specs.)
buyer's remorse, perhaps. that's understandable. but that's your problem, not apple's. you are upholding apple to a promise it never made.
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Freg3000 said:On CNBC they just did a Biz Brief on the new eMacs, saying, "looking for a cheap computer? Apple has you covered."
THANK YOU APPLE for coming up with a very strong low-end model!!
I own a Powerbook, and I'm not complaining one bit; I'm very happy that Apple is not forgetting schools and people who love Macs but don't have tons of money to blow on a computer. This is a great computer, both the Combo and SuperDrive models. I think it will definitely be competitive against the Dells of the world.
Good for Mac lovers; good for people considering switching to Mac. Isn't that what's important?
I believe the eMac was intended for those Mac buyers that are in education or are on a budget, which is going to be small anyway (compared to the rest of the Mac market), so it makes sense for Apple to update the eMac now to both foreshadow future updates and cash in on buyers in the market for an eMac. Also, Apple may not want to hugely increase their market share. After all, there are downsides to being the biggest by far (just look at Microsoft and all the trouble they're having).reyesmac said:
cheaper, but still noisy
i have been using an emac for the last 1.5 years and it is a great machine, i did all my video editing, web design and 3d animation projects on it, it never let me down. i am sure that these new models are great buys, but i am selling my emac right now, and i know that i will never buy one again. the only reason is that emac is the most noisy computer i have ever used. it is impossible to live in the same room with an emac, and when it is working, you can hear it from far far away. leaving it open during the night, which is crucial for the 3d renders i make, is impossible, because you can't sleep.
so, if you are thinking about buying one, please take the fan noise into account. i didn't know about it before i bought it, and i was simply shocked when i first used it in my room.
cheers,
taylan
http://portfolio.orangeslices.net/
i have been using an emac for the last 1.5 years and it is a great machine, i did all my video editing, web design and 3d animation projects on it, it never let me down. i am sure that these new models are great buys, but i am selling my emac right now, and i know that i will never buy one again. the only reason is that emac is the most noisy computer i have ever used. it is impossible to live in the same room with an emac, and when it is working, you can hear it from far far away. leaving it open during the night, which is crucial for the 3d renders i make, is impossible, because you can't sleep.
so, if you are thinking about buying one, please take the fan noise into account. i didn't know about it before i bought it, and i was simply shocked when i first used it in my room.
cheers,
taylan
http://portfolio.orangeslices.net/
emacs for back to school
the market for these emacs are schools and youngsters... get the point? early, before school ends.. now kids can go 'mom can i get this for next year?' the powerbooks are like someone said.. 2 times more expensive but they are PORTABLE! and there is a diffence between a desktop and a portable... sure, one emac owner can tell you 'my emac can do waht your pb cand do and even faster' but a pb user can say 'but can you do it in a bus, a taxi, a plane?' its just not comparable... the 8x superdrive is an awesome thing now, you can only expect apple to upgrade ALL other desktops and put a 4x superdrive on powerbooks, and make the ibook superdrive too...
this is what i predict...
g5 imacs in single processors... 1.6 1.8 2.0 and 8x superdrive
g5 powermacs in dual fashion 2.0 2.4 2.8 or 3.0 even and 8x superdrive
g5 powerbooks in single processors 1.2 1.4 1.6 and 4x superdrive
g4 ibooks in g4 1.0-1.33
seems balanced...
lets wait and see, then i can have my parade
waht do you guys think?
the market for these emacs are schools and youngsters... get the point? early, before school ends.. now kids can go 'mom can i get this for next year?' the powerbooks are like someone said.. 2 times more expensive but they are PORTABLE! and there is a diffence between a desktop and a portable... sure, one emac owner can tell you 'my emac can do waht your pb cand do and even faster' but a pb user can say 'but can you do it in a bus, a taxi, a plane?' its just not comparable... the 8x superdrive is an awesome thing now, you can only expect apple to upgrade ALL other desktops and put a 4x superdrive on powerbooks, and make the ibook superdrive too...
this is what i predict...
g5 imacs in single processors... 1.6 1.8 2.0 and 8x superdrive
g5 powermacs in dual fashion 2.0 2.4 2.8 or 3.0 even and 8x superdrive
g5 powerbooks in single processors 1.2 1.4 1.6 and 4x superdrive
g4 ibooks in g4 1.0-1.33
seems balanced...
lets wait and see, then i can have my parade
waht do you guys think?
Am I the only one who thinks this is a rubish update. 1.25Ghz processors were ok a few years ago, but i really do belive Apple should have just thrown in the fastest processors they have with the biggest caches and fastest FSB they can muster. and i think its a mistake not to bring back the colour. I'm of hte opinion that the eMac has the potential to outsell the other product lines and capture a decent sized share of the consumer market.
and 256 meg of ram is still really really week
jay
and 256 meg of ram is still really really week
jay
AAArgh
You are soo annoying. I don't want to trade in my comp, i dont want my money back.
i am expressing my opinion about the way apple does business, and of course i hav eno insider information, so who knows what the hold up is, could be nothing.
BUT, what we do know is the PB's are outdated (as evidenced by todays emac release) and yet the PB's are still full price.
When you acknowledge something like this emac 1.25 does, you have to relase incentive to buy the older, outdated product. And yet, they don't, even though there are mroe people wasting money on PB's than on any other comp.
This is evidence of a company that cares not about their customer.
jxyama said:man, you are coming over here too?
what do you want apple to do? give you a free upgrade? a refund? hold back eMac update?
when you bought your computer, the only thing apple promised you is that you get what you decide to pay for. and you did. you bought a PB for a price you perceived to be at a reasonable level. that's it. apple didn't promise you that your PB will remain top of the line. apple didn't promise you that your PB specs will not be matched by an eMac. (by the way, eMac was not exactly light years behind PB before this update. if you think now eMac "matches" PB then you should have seen before the update that eMac is significantly cheaper than PB for not much less specs.)
buyer's remorse, perhaps. that's understandable. but that's your problem, not apple's. you are upholding apple to a promise it never made.
You are soo annoying. I don't want to trade in my comp, i dont want my money back.
i am expressing my opinion about the way apple does business, and of course i hav eno insider information, so who knows what the hold up is, could be nothing.
BUT, what we do know is the PB's are outdated (as evidenced by todays emac release) and yet the PB's are still full price.
When you acknowledge something like this emac 1.25 does, you have to relase incentive to buy the older, outdated product. And yet, they don't, even though there are mroe people wasting money on PB's than on any other comp.
This is evidence of a company that cares not about their customer.
Good deal...
Looks like a great deal to me. As low as $749/$899 with student discount. 1.25GHz, 80GB, 17" Monitor, 8x DVD burner, etc. not bad. Sure it's not real expandable but the price is right, and you are better off selling it in a few years anyway and buying the next generation instead of upgrading.
Too bad the video card is a little skimpy but I guess it would suffice for most occasional "gamers".
I'd imagine iMac and other updates are on the way with the eMac now on the same level.
Looks like a great deal to me. As low as $749/$899 with student discount. 1.25GHz, 80GB, 17" Monitor, 8x DVD burner, etc. not bad. Sure it's not real expandable but the price is right, and you are better off selling it in a few years anyway and buying the next generation instead of upgrading.
Too bad the video card is a little skimpy but I guess it would suffice for most occasional "gamers".
I'd imagine iMac and other updates are on the way with the eMac now on the same level.
a17inchFuture said:
well, your whining is rather annoying to me too.
if PBs are outdated, apple will sell less of it because people won't buy. it's up to the customers. if apple felt it's necessary to sell more PBs, then they would lower the prices. etc. standard business practice. i don't see what the problem is.
you may feel bad, but that doesn't mean apple means to personally screw you or that "apple does not care about their customers." speak with your wallet and not buy a Mac next time you purchase a computer.
jxyama said:i'm sure you will rack up 2 grand in chiropractic therapy sessions pretty quickly.
(or you will get into one heck of a shape.)
At least i wont have to pay for a gym membership then
j_maddison said:
Doing what you said creates problems! What happens 8 months down the road when its time to update the eMac again and there aren't any faster G4 processors? Then what do you do? I guess one would answer put a G5 in it, but I think that will be a while. I'd expect the eMac to be the last computer to ever get a G5 processor. Apple did put the fastest bus possible in the eMac. The 167 MHz FSB is currently the fastest possible for the G4 processor. Apple needs a little room for improvement in the future. Maybe the G4 iMac was capable of doing 1.5 GHz a long time ago but why Apple didn't put it in it was because Apple needs a little room for later improvements. All computer companies are skimpy on RAM. 256MB is actually pretty good. At least now you can take it out of the box and actually use it unlike yesterday's eMac which came standard with 128 MB. The eMac is for schools, and very low end consumers. People like that don't need 1 GB of RAM to browse the internet, check e-mail, and use a word processor. The school I work in the computers only have 128 MBs of RAM and they all run Windoze XP Pro. Some even have 64 MB. So to ship a low end machine with 256 is actually a blessing to schools.
mklos said:
I am not complaining about your message, I just gotta do this though... Win a powerbook! Where? How!? And for all you powerbook people, we know your winners, rock on, and keep trying to drive down the street and hop on people's bandwagons! (Internet) And I dunno if your winning or not, but cause you aren't winning, can I have the prize instead! =)
Sorry man, had to do it, too tempting =) BTW, whine! Not win! =) LOL <--- Can't please me ;-) Atleast not till the new G5's come out =)
j_maddison said:
So you want a eMac with a 2.0GHz G5, 1Ghz Bus, and color case for $999? Yeah, that be great but why would they ever do that?
1) They would loose money...
2) It would destroy the PowerMac line....
3) I don't think apple has grand plans of capturing the market. They see themselves as the exotic sports car of computer's not the economy car. Producing the cheapest "widget" and making money on quantity is not Apple's business model.
So what kind of problems did you have?
What kind of service were they in for? THat's a pretty vague statement. As someone who might be considering an eMac (as a recommendation for someone else) please be more specific about the problems you encountered? Were they hardware related? Software? Kids pounding on them?
Thanks for the feedback.
macomposer said:
What kind of service were they in for? THat's a pretty vague statement. As someone who might be considering an eMac (as a recommendation for someone else) please be more specific about the problems you encountered? Were they hardware related? Software? Kids pounding on them?
Thanks for the feedback.
jxyama said:
Yeah, upgrading eMac RAM is a simple flip and unscrew. I added 512MB chips to a whole lab of eMacs in under an hour last summer.
Yap, somebody should write something similar for your Superdrive (this one is for Powerbooks only):
http://superdrive.cynikal.net/
http://superdrive.cynikal.net/
swissmann said:
Bah! I just bought an eMac a month ago. I know I shouldn't be complaining, but I can't help feel a bit jealous. Especially about the Radeon 9200 and DDR memory. Ahh well, my eMac is still faster anyway
I don't think it's a rubbish update, and I consider myself a pro user. This is an update for schools, students, light users and administrators as well as Internet terminals. Cheap and somewhat decent (could be a little cheaper, but it's good enough that they were updated). However, Apple NEEDS to update pro gear as well as something a little more professional than the imac (cue threads of headless imac here). Seriously, a fixed monitor comp. for 1,500 bucks in the pro-sumer world isn't going to cut it for too much monger.j_maddison said:
stoid said:
well said.
I bought a 15inch alum powerbook back in september as well and I am so happy with it. Apple could of released 3.0 ghz emacs today and I still wouldn't care. it's good for apple. In the mean time my Powerbook does exactly what i need - video editing, music creating, surfing the internet, working on my website.
sure the powerbook is more money, but it's a portable masterpiece!