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New eMacs

DOACleric said:
Bah! I just bought an eMac a month ago. I know I shouldn't be complaining, but I can't help feel a bit jealous. Especially about the Radeon 9200 and DDR memory. Ahh well, my eMac is still faster anyway :D
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how do you have a 1.4 ghz emac?
 
AirUncleP said:
When was the last time you saw an Apple computer advertised on TV?
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The G5 commercial where the guy gets blown through his house. Before that the FP iMac had some nifty ads. Apple has really been pushing iTMS lately, and rightly so since they need to keep their high market share if they want to stay competitive there. I think that once the Pepsi promo is over and the one year anniversary is past at the end of this month, Apple will return their greater focus to the Mac.
 
mklos said:
Doing what you said creates problems! What happens 8 months down the road when its time to update the eMac again and there aren't any faster G4 processors? Then what do you do? I guess one would answer put a G5 in it, but I think that will be a while. I'd expect the eMac to be the last computer to ever get a G5 processor. Apple did put the fastest bus possible in the eMac. The 167 MHz FSB is currently the fastest possible for the G4 processor. Apple needs a little room for improvement in the future. Maybe the G4 iMac was capable of doing 1.5 GHz a long time ago but why Apple didn't put it in it was because Apple needs a little room for later improvements. All computer companies are skimpy on RAM. 256MB is actually pretty good. At least now you can take it out of the box and actually use it unlike yesterday's eMac which came standard with 128 MB. The eMac is for schools, and very low end consumers. People like that don't need 1 GB of RAM to browse the internet, check e-mail, and use a word processor. The school I work in the computers only have 128 MBs of RAM and they all run Windoze XP Pro. Some even have 64 MB. So to ship a low end machine with 256 is actually a blessing to schools.
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Anyway, it's very likely this is the last upgrade for the eMac. Apple usually updates the eMac only once a year (the October update doesn't count as they just speed bumped the low end configuration). I'm not sure Apple will still be able to buy CRTs for a resonable price in a year because the PC market has abandoned CRT long time ago. I know, there are still CRTs around but those are probably leftovers. I'm also aware that the CRT with its weight and its less delicate screen is a great option for schools but as I said at some point Apple will have to drop the eMac because no one will produce CRTs anymore
 
Real Comparison

groovebuster said:
... and it is still a hefty price for an old chip with yesterdays specs. For that kind of money you can get a PIV 3GHz with an 800MHz bus which is in the same league as the G5.

Or you can get a complete computer (including a 17" monitor & Windows XP) with a Celeron 2.4 GHz that still blows the G4 of the eMac out of the water...
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First, a Celeron will not blow the G4 away, especially on home use.
Second, a comparable Hell is more!

eMac 1.25GHz/256SD/40G/Combo/56K $799.00
eMac Tilt & Swivel Stand $59.00
APP for iMac/eMac - Enrollment Kit $169.00
iLife '04 $49.00 (new) Subtotal
$1,067.0

Hell Dimension 4600 Series
Intel ® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.8GHz w/533MHz FSB
Microsoft Windows® XP Professional *
Combo: Microsoft® Plus! for Windows XP and Digital Media Edition
Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics
40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
Single Drive: 48x CD-RW / DVD-ROM Combo Drive
RecordNow!Deluxe: Burn,Copy CD Music/Data,Backup, Labeling
3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year At-Home Service
McAfee Security Center w/VirusScan,Firewall and Privacy,1-year subscription
Stereo Speakers
Dell Picture Studio, Photo Album Premium
Dell Jukebox PLUS powered by MUSICMATCH
Now from
$1,130

So, for 60 dollars more for the Hell, you get a hodgepodge of multimedia software, slower bus, worse video, worse monitor, and bigger unit with worse aesthetics.

No, its not a $499 machine, but once again, for a comparable machine, Apple is very competitive AND you get iLife and OS X instead of the Rube Goldberg contraption of Dell, Music-Match, and Microsoft.

[updateed rant]
OK, $110 cheaper for the eMac! - That's halfway to an iPod Mini or the price difference for Office (if you want that) and you still get a better OS and hardware!
:D
 
agentmouthwash said:
sure the powerbook is more money, but it's a portable masterpiece!
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Yes, I wouldn't get all those looks of jealousy in class if I had an eMac. The 15 inch PowerBook is quite possibly the sexiest laptop ever!

The eMac on the other hand, when flipped screen side down resembles Steve Balmer's balding head. :D
 
jayb2000 said:
First, a Celeron will not blow the G4 away, especially on home use.
Second, a comparable Hell is more!

eMac 1.25GHz/256SD/40G/Combo/56K $799.00
eMac Tilt & Swivel Stand $59.00
APP for iMac/eMac - Enrollment Kit $169.00
iLife '04 $49.00
Subtotal
$1,076.00
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Doesn't iLife come pre-installed? Knock off that $49, and the price difference is $110 instead of $60...
 
a17inchFuture said:
how do you have a 1.4 ghz emac?
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I think DOACleric probably did one of those void-your-warranty-but-make-your-eMac-faster upgrades mentioned in another thread on Mac Rumors (I'm not about to search for it). I did read that thread, but I never thought an eMac could be upgraded past 1.33 GHz anyway (judging by what was in that thread). Therefore, I'm wondering too - just how did DOACleric get that eMac to go past 1.33 GHz to 1.4 GHz?
 
iLife

iLife '04 comes preinstalled on all Macintosh CPU's that are now shipped from Apple. In fact, last month an Apple rep came into our store and inserted iLife '04 into all Macintosh boxes Microcenter had in stock.
 
a17inchFuture said:
how do you have a 1.4 ghz emac?
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Overclocked. The eMacs used the same exact processor found in the dual 1.4ghz Powermacs - only underclocked. Therefore, getting it up to 1.4ghz is as simple as a drop of solder. a $500 eMac 800mhz -> 1.4ghz eMac was quite a bargain!
 
I say it's gonna be a
1,6GHz G5 in the iMac
2,5GHz G5 in the Powermac
1,25Ghz G4 in the iBooks
1,6 Ghz G4 or G5(although unlikely) in the powerbook

That's my prediction. All in the next 3-4 weeks.
 
a17inchFuture said:
You are soo annoying. I don't want to trade in my comp, i dont want my money back.

i am expressing my opinion about the way apple does business, and of course i hav eno insider information, so who knows what the hold up is, could be nothing.

BUT, what we do know is the PB's are outdated (as evidenced by todays emac release) and yet the PB's are still full price.

When you acknowledge something like this emac 1.25 does, you have to relase incentive to buy the older, outdated product. And yet, they don't, even though there are mroe people wasting money on PB's than on any other comp.

This is evidence of a company that cares not about their customer.
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You use conjecture as "evidence" that Apple doesn't care about its customers? Please. You are right - not only do you have no insider information, you have no information whatsoever.

Apple doesn't update ALL of its consumer and/or pro lines at the same time. Does IBM update its ThinkPad lines at once? No. (I won't even mention Dell because they make cheap computers - IBM and HP are the only vendors who make quality Wintel machines approaching Apple's quality.) Blasting Apple (and wishing they would go out of business) is simply stupid and moronic. I'm sure you are one of those MacRumors daly readers who gets high-blood pressure each Tuesday when Apple doesn't release a G5 PowerBook.

Do you have any concept of what it takes to design a notebook vs. desktop? For example, do you know of any manufacturers who can make 7200 RPM, 80Gb+ drives of the form factor in the current PowerBook lines? Or any 4x or 8x drives designed for notebooks? Nope. Did you stop to consider the engineering it takes to make a notebook that balances speed, heat, components, battery life, etc.? It seems not.

Use common sense: if you want a PowerBook now, get it - you won't be disappointed (I haven't been). If all you want to do is bitch and moan and wish Apple would go belly-up, then....maybe head on over to Dell's forums.

Until then, take a Valium, and chill out.
 
does it really matter

a17inchFuture said:
Yeah, thats just the thing, the cheapest, lowest line should not be first!!!!!!!!!! And as someone who bought a powerbook a week ago, i DO take personal offense, because its insulting that the update is imminent, but held off so their profit margins are greater. Emacs can only go up, and thats why their being updated. PB's, on the other hand, are doing well, cause people want apple and portable, and dont care about the price/details. So Steve screws people like me and anyone who has recently put their PB's in 6th overall, and highest among comps.

So you shut it, i am right.
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so if they had released new PB's you would have complained, new emacs=complain, imacs=complain & powermacs...I'll go with complain. :rolleyes:
 
PretendPCuser said:
What kind of service were they in for? THat's a pretty vague statement. As someone who might be considering an eMac (as a recommendation for someone else) please be more specific about the problems you encountered? Were they hardware related? Software? Kids pounding on them?

Thanks for the feedback.
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No problem. Did not want to clog the thread with details unless someone asked. Two machines had bad hard drives, and two had the backup batteries go dead... not at all a situation of abuse. One of each problem occurred within the first month the lab was open, the others popped up in the following months. It is a carefully monitored lab, and used just a few hours a day: I would expect a home machine to get more use than one of the lab eMacs does in an average day.

My assistant and I spent hours on the phone with Apple (no exaggeration, I was on the phone for 90 minutes once), mostly on hold, trying to get these defective machines serviced, and it was like pulling teeth each time. Had they been my personal machines, I would have just said "screw it" and fixed them myself, but being a state university and all, it is important to create a paper trail on these things so that next time we buy computers, I can give good reason for stepping up to something better.

Before the eMacs, we had the early version iMacs in the lab for more than two years, and NEVER needed a single one of them serviced. That's why I am leery of the eMacs.
 
DOACleric said:
Overclocked. The eMacs used the same exact processor found in the dual 1.4ghz Powermacs - only underclocked. Therefore, getting it up to 1.4ghz is as simple as a drop of solder. a $500 eMac 800mhz -> 1.4ghz eMac was quite a bargain!
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I suspected it was overclocked; I just didn't think the eMac in any form was capable of reaching 1.4 GHz safely (including the newest models released today).
 
Diatribe said:
I say it's gonna be a
1,6GHz G5 in the iMac
2,5GHz G5 in the Powermac
1,25Ghz G4 in the iBooks
1,6 Ghz G4 or G5(although unlikely) in the powerbook

That's my prediction. All in the next 3-4 weeks.
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My guess is no PMs until WWDC and 1.5 GHz G4 in PBs. The iMac will also be speed bumped to 1.5 GHz (G4).
 
Did anyone notice thier also not charging extortion prices for RAM upgrades anymore? 512 for +75$ or +67 on education? Nice!
I guess they realized its better to get some money than none at all...
 
Well, since they shoe horned a 2.0 Ghz G5 into the xServe, I don't think it's out of line to expect PowerBook G5s to start at 1.6 Ghz G5s. I think that it's the chip shortage on the 750fx's that is the reason we don't have PowerBooks today as well. *shudder* remembers Motorola's G4 problems *shudder* Apple simply wants to wait until they can keep up with demand, as I'm sure many people are waiting for the G5 PowerBooks!
 
The future of the eMac anyone?

I saw the emac toay and was like, wow, it really looks like an ipod version of what could be the tablet. very simple, right look, i like it. mabye someone can make a better mockup?
the apple symbol area would be the touchpad with the "1" button beneath
 

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