New Features in iOS 6 Receive Spotty Support from Older Devices

[jamesryanbell]

A phone is something you use many times a day, every day. If there's ANYTHING in the mac lineup that you need to upgrade as often as possible, it's iPhone. Always have the best one. It's not even an expensive product in comparison with everything else they offer.

 

[seecoolguy]

What on earth is preventing FaceTime over cellular on the iPhone 4?

Let's Leverage the power of the internet! I know you can always post to the discussion forums on apple's site, but we can all flood Apple for a feature request! These two basic features are not out of the hardware possibility for the iPhone4!

Visit: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

Fill in the online form:

Subject: iOS6 iPhone 4 #Listen2MeApple
FeedbackType: Software/Hardware Compatibility
Comments: Please enable Turn by Turn navigation and FaceTime over 3G for the iPhone 4. #Listen2MeApple


Join in everyone! Tweet, FB and Google+ (is that a thing?)

 

[Ston]

I am very mad that Siri would not work on iPad 2. All those people bought iPad 2 over the holidays probably feel the same. This is totally outrage, and I don't understand why Apple has to screw up their loyal customers this way.

 

[seecoolguy]

I am very mad that Siri would not work on iPad 2. All those people bought iPad 2 over the holidays probably feel the same. This is totally outrage, and I don't understand why Apple has to screw up their loyal customers this way.

because people don't know how the technology works, people would try to use siri in an area w/o wifi. It makes sense that siri would be restricted to the newest iphone, kind of like a come buy this feature. but the reason I posted the #Listen2MeApple request is because facetime over 3g is not a feature that will cause a usability problem on the iPhone4, it's available today if I jailbreak :-|, maybe the # tag should be #dontmakemejb 😉

 

[gLaDiAtOr73]

What on earth is preventing FaceTime over cellular on the iPhone 4?

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😡😡😡

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let's leverage the power of the internet! I know you can always post to the discussion forums on apple's site, but we can all flood apple for a feature request! These two basic features are not out of the hardware possibility for the iphone4!

Visit: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

fill in the online form:

Subject: Ios6 iphone 4 #listen2meapple
feedbactype: Software/hardware compatibility
comments: Please enable turn by turn navigation and facetime over 3g for the iphone 4. #listen2meapple


join in everyone! Tweet, fb and google+ (is that a thing?)

done

 

[Gix1k]

Is it me or does iOS6 seem pretty lame so far.?

 

[StealthscrapE]

I would say the iPhone 4 not receiving the turn by turn and facetime over 3G is less about getting people to upgrade from an iphone 4 and more about trying to get people who are A) New customers to the iphone, or B) upgrading from a 3GS. I'd imagine when the software comes out, they will be releasing the new hardware first. If they are doing that, they will probably knock all of the phones down a notch and the iPhone 4 will take the place of the iPhone 3GS for their sales model. Since the iphone 4 will be the entry level phone, they want people to step up to the next model that has the features they want (turn by turn, cellular FaceTime, etc).

Just my opinion, but they don't want those new customers to get everything they want in the cheapest model they can buy.

 

[seecoolguy]

Is it me or does iOS6 seem pretty lame so far.?

I guess it all depends on what you were expecting, I like the night time VIP / DND features (ie profiles). let's me sleep w/o any extra noise, but lets me get my alerts from people I want.

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I would say the iPhone 4 not receiving the turn by turn and facetime over 3G is less about getting people to upgrade from an iphone 4 and more about trying to get people who are
A) New customers to the iphone, or
B) upgrading from a 3GS.
I'd imagine when the software comes out, they will be releasing the new hardware first. If they are doing that, they will probably knock all of the phones down a notch and the iPhone 4 will take the place of the iPhone 3GS for their sales model. Since the iphone 4 will be the entry level phone, they want people to step up to the next model that has the features they want (turn by turn, cellular FaceTime, etc).

Just my opinion, but they don't want those new customers to get everything they want in the cheapest model they can buy.

Good points, and it works great for those users who renew contracts and pay upgrade fees :-/

turn by turn exists for free in other ios apps as well, I just was hoping for a full apple experience, since using questmaps on ios I rarely use the iphone maps because I like the turn by turn navigation, so I have an alternative if apple doesn't want to give on that item.

But FaceTime over Cell, it's crazy that the phone is able to facetime over wifi but not cell, it's the easiest jb ever too, so why not just keep users from jb by including it?

#Listen2MeApple
#dontmakemejb

 

[MythicFrost]

Me, quite a few pages ago. You did read the thread did you ?

But then again, much easier than testing for an API on a device that has the same version as another using Objective-C's [object respondsToSelector: ]; because you're not sure that the API is there...

So just target 2.3.4 which has the most user base ? The beauty of it is you can't implement an API you wouldn't want to because of your manifest.

Google provides all the necessary dashboards to make that choice, they don't hide their adoption numbers, they publicaly provide them and update them.

Again, a matter of modifying the manifest, reading the dashboard. It's. All. Baked. In.

How hard is that to understand ?

Obvious to me now. Go read the documentation, then come back and make an informed and educated critique, rather than rehashing the constant non-sense that gets spewed here.

Android works differently from iOS. Android is made with fragmentation in mind. The SDK provides the tools to work with it, rather than it working against you.

It's not a difficult concept. It doesn't work like iOS.

I skimmed the first page and then replied to you because I thought what you said was absurd -- the only item on that list that has to do with developers is Turn-by-Turn navigation and it's simple enough to check whether the device running the app supports that or not. It's ridiculous to use that as an example of iOS being fragmented.

And I know Android is built to deal with fragmentation but that doesn't make it anywhere near as easy as developing on iOS. With iOS you've got a dozen devices to test, with only two resolutions to design for, and one OS to target. With Android you've got hundreds all running different versions of Android, with greatly different resolutions and aspect ratios. They may provide tools to help you -- as they should -- but it's still more complex and more effort.

 

[El Burro]

But FaceTime over Cell, it's crazy that the phone is able to facetime over wifi but not cell, it's the easiest jb ever too, so why not just keep users from jb by including it?

#Listen2MeApple
#dontmakemejb

It's really quite simple. Apple KNOWS they can put it on the iPhone 4 but the carriers have pressured Apple to not release it for the iphone 4 as there are more iphone 4 users than iphone 4s & they don't want them to suck up more bandwidth. It's basically Apple just caving into corporate demands from the carriers.

 

[26139]

What?

I am very mad that Siri would not work on iPad 2. All those people bought iPad 2 over the holidays probably feel the same. This is totally outrage, and I don't understand why Apple has to screw up their loyal customers this way.

Loyal customers my ass. How large of a majority of iPad 2 owners even own another iOS product? Likely very few.

Siri was never promised to work on the iPad.

And because of its required connectivity, I'd be surprised if Siri was ever available on hardware that didn't have a cellular connection.

 

[yakapo]

Disappointed.

I just bought an ipad 2 a few months ago. I'm really disappointed they didn't add siri to the ipad 2. It has the same processor as the ipad 3. I realize this is a type of planned obsolescence to maximize quarterly revenue - but why is apple so desperate to squeeze out some extra bucks? Don't they have like 100 billion in the bank? These features that are exclusive to the newest line are just an attempt to create artificial value and perceived advances in tech that hasn't really changed that much. I don't care for the high res screen in the ipad 3 and I don't play games, so the ipad 2 was exactly what I needed.

I switched to android phones and I'm probably not going back to iphones. Hopefully the windows tablets will be good enough to compete with the ipad in a few years. In the meantime, I'm going to jailbreak. My wife uses the ipad while cooking and siri will be a useful feature.

 

[ade2bee]

Blah!

My move to cheaper and the more mailable looks better every day... and a stretched screen iPhone, don't make me laugh, anyone who's used a S2/3 screen knows how good it can be.

Let's face it... Underwhelming upgrades

 

[Bwinski]

Lite or not to lite....

IF you think I'm dropping another $700-$1000 to get Siri or Siri lite... NOT gonna happen.... Sorry Tim, if you want to abandon us this quickly, then turn about is fair play...

 

[ade2bee]

I just bought an ipad 2 a few months ago. I'm really disappointed they didn't add siri to the ipad 2. It has the same processor as the ipad 3. I realize this is a type of planned obsolescence to maximize quarterly revenue - but why is apple so desperate to squeeze out some extra bucks? Don't they have like 100 billion in the bank? These features that are exclusive to the newest line are just an attempt to create artificial value and perceived advances in tech that hasn't really changed that much. I don't care for the high res screen in the ipad 3 and I don't play games, so the ipad 2 was exactly what I needed.

I switched to android phones and I'm probably not going back to iphones. Hopefully the windows tablets will be good enough to compete with the ipad in a few years. In the meantime, I'm going to jailbreak. My wife uses the ipad while cooking and siri will be a useful feature.

They wrote off the iPad 1 totally and slowed it down to the point of it being unusable when it wasn't even 9 months off production.... My upgrade to Lion onto a 19 month old MacBook Pro was a disaster and still hasn't been rectified

 

[xodiak]

Features are subject to change

I know everyone is looking at that image the MacRumors made showing what is compatible with which type of hardware but I find it odd that no one in the forum has mentioned that on the apple site it states at the very bottom which devices iOS 6 will work on and that Features are subject to change. Where is that statement on that image MacRumors has up that you are all talking about? I seem remember multitouch wasn't going to be avialable with iOS 5 on the first generation iPad but it is.

 

[coolbreeze]

There is literally zero techincal reason why these features can't be included on the iPhone 4. It's nothing more than Apple alienating it's customers in an attempt to force them to buy an iPhone 4S. I have a work provided iPhone 4, so it's not like I can do that.

Stingy, money grab by Apple that's not halted by a single techincal limitation.

Lame and it won't be forgotten when I make my next tech purchase.

 

[PracticalMac]

iPad 1?

What about iPad 1?

I know some things cant, but what can?

 

[KnightWRX]

I skimmed the first page and then replied to you because I thought what you said was absurd -- the only item on that list that has to do with developers is Turn-by-Turn navigation and it's simple enough to check whether the device running the app supports that or not. It's ridiculous to use that as an example of iOS being fragmented.

Yes, because when people refer to Android fragmentation, they mean API level fragmentation, not feature fragmentation. 🙄

The head in the sand I was talking about.

And I know Android is built to deal with fragmentation but that doesn't make it anywhere near as easy as developing on iOS. With iOS you've got a dozen devices to test, with only two resolutions to design for, and one OS to target. With Android you've got hundreds all running different versions of Android, with greatly different resolutions and aspect ratios. They may provide tools to help you -- as they should -- but it's still more complex and more effort.

With iOS, you have more than 1 OS to target and it's not as easy as you make it sound. The first time I ran my app on the retina version of the hardware, some stuff broke... badly...

 

[iSteve-O]

It's inexcusable that iOS 6 can't support all 4 major devices.

There won't be an official statement from Apple explaining why, because what reason will they come up with, the iPhone 4 and iPad 2 have hardware limitations? BS

 

[xodiak]

I know everyone is looking at that image the MacRumors made showing what is compatible with which type of hardware but I find it odd that no one in the forum has mentioned that on the apple site it states at the very bottom which devices iOS 6 will work on and that Features are subject to change. Where is that statement on that image MacRumors has up that you are all talking about? I seem remember multitouch wasn't going to be avialable with iOS 5 on the first generation iPad but it is.

Does anyone really read the Apple site, Im just curious? I understand some aspects may not be there for all hardware but I also know from past experience that apple had done a lot to get the functions to more hardware, again I bring up the multitouch gestures that were not suppose to be supported in first generation iPads but it is.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I know everyone is looking at that image the MacRumors made showing what is compatible with which type of hardware but I find it odd that no one in the forum has mentioned that on the apple site it states at the very bottom which devices iOS 6 will work on and that Features are subject to change. Where is that statement on that image MacRumors has up that you are all talking about? I seem remember multitouch wasn't going to be avialable with iOS 5 on the first generation iPad but it is.

The thing is feature lock. That is a cop out response that the Apple defenders will use. What are you going say in a few months when it stays that way. The 4 does not get turn by turn ect.

 

[840quadra]

What about iPad 1?

I know some things cant, but what can?

There is a link that has been shared countless times giving a feature and compatible device listing throughout this thread, and it is included in the Main article this thread is discussing.

 

[chgojcs]

Macrumors members ANGRY!

Macrumors members SMAAAASH!!!

"Why can't my old tube tv that's sitting in my closet support HD? It's unfair! How dare they make me get a new tv because my old one doesn't support the technology!"

Please, people, stop crying like toddlers.

 

[Gix1k]

I guess it all depends on what you were expecting, I like the night time VIP / DND features (ie profiles). let's me sleep w/o any extra noise, but lets me get my alerts from people I want.

Well, I'm hoping for something "fancy". Something that makes me say "that's really cool". So far iOS has been plain and simple.