New Get A Mac Ad: Stuffed

[Zadillo]

I'm sorry I had to even ask. I actually tend to compare comparable stuff - that is what comparisons are about, I believe. I call it as I see it. The OS X machine was recently re-installed from scratch whereas the XP machine hasn't been touched in a while - so the Mac actually had an edge.



I just booted my VGN-SZ4VW (C2D 2.16) and including the time it takes to log in, Vista Business boots in 1 minute 5 seconds to a state where I can type stuff into Word. I don't have Skype running on that machine so it's not a fully equivalent comparison.



O RLY? (In fact, even if it didn't matter a Core Solo would outperform an A64 Ghz for Ghz)



The point I was making was that he's mistaken, and comparisons are best made between similar machines.
The point I've decided to make with this post after your apparent experience with the kit in your post is... hmmm. I think it has 'full of it' somewhere in the point


Editing further, although I enjoyed the cancel/allow ad I could also mention that setting yourself up as a regular user on the Mac also gets you the 'type in username/password' prompt at very similar places to where Vista asks for confirmation of an action. It amuses me that that sails straight over the Applemaniac's heads

I'm "full of it" because my SZ460 takes as long as it does? Give me a break.

I am impressed that your own SZ gets to a point where you can type in Word in only 1 minute and 6 seconds, but that isn't my experience, and it isn't the experience of a number of other SZ owners either (which is why you will find tons of threads from SZ owners looking to clean up the default setup).

-Zadillo

 

[Sesshi]

I'm "full of it" because my SZ460 takes as long as it does? Give me a break.

I am impressed that your own SZ gets to a point where you can type in Word in only 1 minute and 6 seconds, but that isn't my experience, and it isn't the experience of a number of other SZ owners either (which is why you will find tons of threads from SZ owners looking to clean up the default setup).

-Zadillo

Well - I was comparing a fairly clean OS X install with a fairly clean SZ install. I just removed the stuff I didn't need. Is that so hard?

 

[Zadillo]

You missed my point completely. I was comparing booting XP on a non-Apple PC to booting XP on my MacBook. I never said anything about booting OSX (although it's about the same as XP on my computer). As for how long it takes to boot and launch Word, I'm assuming you're referring to an Intel Mac? If so, it's running Rosetta so I wouldn't expect it to be very fast. Try it on a G5 if you want to make it fair.

Heh, that's a good point...... forget to even consider that Word on the Mac is running in native mode.

Although I still don't know what the deal is with his numbers. His Mac with a 2.33 GHz C2D takes 2 minutes 40 seconds to get to the point where he can work in MS Word, which is longer than my 450 MHz G4 Cube takes.

And conversely, he gets to the point of being able to type in Word on his SZ4 in one minute and 6 seconds, but it takes well over 4 minutes on my SZ460.

But apparently I'm the one that's full of it just because my experience isn't the same as his.

Well - I was comparing a fairly clean OS X install with a fairly clean SZ install. I just removed the stuff I didn't need. Is that so hard?

No, it isn't so hard, but that's not what ANYONE here is talking about.

The whole point is the default configuration that a PC comes with.

The bloatware and crapware is the whole point of the commercial. So I'm not sure what point you are making with a clean Vista install on an SZ with all the crapware removed.

Although personally, even after I did remove all the crap on my SZ, I still can't get to a point of launching Word and being able to type in it (from the machine being off to booting up to the Vista desktop to launching Word to being ready to type) in only 1 minute and 6 seconds. It's still easily 2-3 minutes.

And again, I don't know why your Mac takes so long. My MacBook didn't take 2 minutes 40 seconds to get to the point you described, and that's an even slower machine than the 2.33 GHz one you have.

-Zadillo

 

[Dezine]

Spyware

Maybe they should talk about how with internet explorer and msoft's beautiful exploits you can be a proud owner of over 3,000 spyware objects!

I had to clean up a friend's pc once and it took over an hour to clean up, now that's bloat.

I'm still 100% pc and have to clean up crap too often oi!

 

[thegoldenmackid]

Credit where credit is due.

I'm not stalking you in fact came across this by accident.

o no i was thanking u, it seems MR didnt want to credit me...but u stalking me didnt even cross my mind...

 

[Sesshi]

No, it isn't so hard, but that's not what ANYONE here is talking about.

The whole point is the default configuration that a PC comes with.

The bloatware and crapware is the whole point of the commercial. So I'm not sure what point you are making with a clean Vista install on an SZ with all the crapware removed.

Although personally, even after I did remove all the crap on my SZ, I still can't get to a point of launching Word and being able to type in it (from the machine being off to booting up to the Vista desktop to launching Word to being ready to type) in only 1 minute and 6 seconds. It's still easily 2-3 minutes.

And again, I don't know why your Mac takes so long. My MacBook didn't take 2 minutes 40 seconds to get to the point you described, and that's an even slower machine than the 2.33 GHz one you have.

-Zadillo

Dell D620 2.16 C2D Vista Business which is running Skype - 1 minute 55 seconds to Word 2007 & Skype start and text entry possible. (Word was actually responsive at 1 minute 10 seconds, but it took longer for Skype to come up).

 

[robPOD]

Great ad probably one of the best!

 

[shigzeo]

i can just no longer stand these adverts... the music was funny one time and the kid was smug enough, but it is blooyd silly now and makes me think of a bloated advert agency. just work on leapard and the new computers and i think ill be happy, piff the adverts

 

[jholzner]

My MacBook came with an MS Office Trial I had to delete. So did my cousins iMac. Funny though!

Yep, all Macs do. They also come with a 30 day trial of iWork which, in my opinion, should come free on all consumer level Mac! I suppose just two isn't as bad but Apple still does it.

 

[GanleyBurger]

Hmmmm...

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I, too, am sick of these comercials.

I just Ebayed my 20" imac / Core Duo / 2.0 / 2 gigs Ram / 250 HD / 256 graphics. It wasn't that fast. Don't be haters. It just wasn't. I sold it to be in line for Santa Rosa (if that ever happens now... urrrggghhhh....).

Until Leopard is released, I don't think Apple should be making anymore commercials.

With the delay of Leopard, the ads just don't have the same punch.

 

[GanleyBurger]

come with a 30 day trial of iWork which, in my opinion, should come free on all consumer level Mac!

I agree.

And what ever happened to having a basic drawing program standard on the Mac (the equivalent of PC paint)?

 

[PCMacUser]

Meh, this is just Apple clutching at straws again. If they have a problem with Dell PCs running trial software, they should attack Dell, not PCs in general. When I put together a PC, I simply install Windows. And Windows does not come with trial software.

Just like when I occasionally reinstall OS X on my iBook. The OS X discs come with trial software, but I don't HAVE to install them.

 

[SeaFox]

It certainly would if every Mac developer made their programs run on startup and eat up resources in the background. It is so incredibly annoying to me that almost EVERY Windows developer is certain you probably want their icon on the desktop AND in the System Tray, AND maybe in the quicklaunch, just for good measure.

You mean like Apple does with iTunes for Windows?

• It wants to create icons for itself on the Desktop and the Quicklaunch area in addition to the Start Menu, and sometimes it does it even when I tell it not to.
• Because every Windows installation of iTunes includes a QuickTime installation (even if you already have the most recent version), every time an iTunes update is installed the Quicktime System Tray Icon reappears and has to be removed, even if it was previously set not to appear in the last version.
• There are iTunes background processes that run all the time on Windows PCs, even when iTunes has not been launched, to facilitate the handling of iPods plugged into the machine.
• iTunes also creates plenty of Registry keys so Windows will know what file types it will play back, and will display it as an option for autorun when you insert a Music CD, connect a flash drive full of music files, ect.

 

[pizzach]

Time it takes a 2.4Ghz Windows XP machine with anti-virus, skype and several other pieces of software to boot up to a stage where Word is usable: 1 minute 40 seconds.

Time it takes a 2.33Ghz OS X machine with skype and quicksilver set to run at bootup to boot up to a stage where Word is usable: 2 minutes 40 seconds.

Where does your Mac get 2 minutes 40 seconds? My father's Mac Mini with a 1.4 G4 processor takes less than 30 seconds to boot up. I 'm trying skype right now and it takes less than 10 seconds on a cold start on my Linux box with a 1.7Ghz Pentium M. Both of these machines have slower specs than the one you stated. Does that mean Office takes a whopping 2 minutes to start?

 

[Zadillo]

Dell D620 2.16 C2D Vista Business which is running Skype - 1 minute 55 seconds to Word 2007 & Skype start and text entry possible. (Word was actually responsive at 1 minute 10 seconds, but it took longer for Skype to come up).

OK, again, what the heck is your point?

The Dell D620 is also a business machine.... if I recall correctly, they don't overload those as much with crapware as the

Also, time to boot up and launch into Word is only one factor anyway. The other problem with bloatware and crapware that runs in the background is the memory and CPU usage it eats up.

Can you please come out and say what your point is? It's great that you can throw out some anecdotes, but unless you're trying to claim that NO PC's have a problem with craplets, etc. I don't get what your point really is.

There are plenty of PC users who do have to deal with these problems, and that fact isn't changed just because you have been able to get a faster boot up, etc. on your systems.

-Zadillo

Meh, this is just Apple clutching at straws again. If they have a problem with Dell PCs running trial software, they should attack Dell, not PCs in general. When I put together a PC, I simply install Windows. And Windows does not come with trial software.

Just like when I occasionally reinstall OS X on my iBook. The OS X discs come with trial software, but I don't HAVE to install them.

Grasping at straws? Give me a break.

This isn't just a problem with Dells, it is a problem that is rampant across tons of PC's; so it is perfectly valid to attack "PC's in general".

You putting together a PC yourself isn't what this commercial is addressing.

It's addressing the problem that people face when they go down to the local store and buy a Dell or HP or Gateway or Acer or Sony computer, overloaded with bloatware and crapware that actually slows things down, interferes with system stability, etc.

Of course Windows itself doesn't have trial software. This is why Microsoft has also stated publicly how much they dislike "craplets" because they interfere with the Windows experience, making the initial "New PC Experience" pretty crappy for the average consumer.

-Zadillo

 

[penguino]

Super funny!

 

[Rocket Rion]

Sure are a lot of humorless people around here.

 

[CoreWeb]

Grasping at straws? Give me a break.

This isn't just a problem with Dells, it is a problem that is rampant across tons of PC's; so it is perfectly valid to attack "PC's in general".

You putting together a PC yourself isn't what this commercial is addressing.

It's addressing the problem that people face when they go down to the local store and buy a Dell or HP or Gateway or Acer or Sony computer, overloaded with bloatware and crapware that actually slows things down, interferes with system stability, etc.

Of course Windows itself doesn't have trial software. This is why Microsoft has also stated publicly how much they dislike "craplets" because they interfere with the Windows experience, making the initial "New PC Experience" pretty crappy for the average consumer.

-Zadillo

Actually, Windows will still progressively slow down, even without trial software, etc.

But I have tested this startup issue before. No exact times, but I thought I'd give my input.

Machine 1: Dell laptop. Pretty fast one.
Machine 2. iMac G5 2GHZ 1GB memory ambient light sensor - not the fastest, no slouch either, but lower on specs in every field than the Dell laptop, which was over a year newer.

The Dell laptop needed to be restarted because the internet wasn't working. ("You know how it is..." "Er... no I don't"). When the computer started coming back up (it had shut down, and was starting to come back), I decided, just for kicks, to see how fast in comparison my iMac was in restarting - nothing scientific, mind.

Well, I was browsing the internet before the Dell laptop had finished booting. Everything on my computer had completed. My computer did a full RESTART in less time than that Dell took to boot up. And where was most of the time being taken up for that Dell?

Look in the System Tray, in the lower right hand corner

 

[zap2]

One thing I always hated about PC was the extra crap....and right when it was brand new!

The stuff on OS X is mustly useful...iWork and Office (the 30day things) is kind pointless, however I have been know to make use of that type of software...not to mention deleting off OS X is much much faster!

 

[3282872]

You mean like Apple does with iTunes for Windows?

• It wants to create icons for itself on the Desktop and the Quicklaunch area in addition to the Start Menu, and sometimes it does it even when I tell it not to.
• Because every Windows installation of iTunes includes a QuickTime installation (even if you already have the most recent version), every time an iTunes update is installed the Quicktime System Tray Icon reappears and has to be removed, even if it was previously set not to appear in the last version.
• There are iTunes background processes that run all the time on Windows PCs, even when iTunes has not been launched, to facilitate the handling of iPods plugged into the machine.
• iTunes also creates plenty of Registry keys so Windows will know what file types it will play back, and will display it as an option for autorun when you insert a Music CD, connect a flash drive full of music files, ect.

Um, that's the case for any Windows program, not just iTunes. Installing in the system registry is how Windows programs are installed, and just about every program installed natively into the Windows system has the option to install a Desktop Icon, Taskbar Icon and to load-up on start, just like Windows Media Player and any other media-type program (even Adobe products, go figure).

 

[notjustjay]

Meh, this is just Apple clutching at straws again. If they have a problem with Dell PCs running trial software, they should attack Dell, not PCs in general. When I put together a PC, I simply install Windows. And Windows does not come with trial software.

Well, as long as we're being technical, they should be attacking Windows specifically, since of course "PC" and "Windows PC" are not synonymous.

But "Hi, I'm a Mac. Hi, I'm a PC running Microsoft Windows" just doesn't have the same bounce to it.

 

[The Stig]

I would say not as much trial software... Office, iWorks and hounding me to sign up for a free trial of .mac, as many others have said. Window's it's self cames with very little trial software, it is all those third party vendors that put JUNK on a PC, I HATE ALL THE JUNK!!! So the ad makes sense like that. This is why I'm glad apple does not do the third party vendors

The Stig

 

[aafuss1]

Try putting the commercial on the iPod-it won't work at all.

And the PC is obese in the ad-he waddles as if he had a weight problem.

 

[c-Row]

This is so true! I just bought a Lenovo laptop with Vista and configured it at the request of a friend of mine and I thought I needed a machete to hack through all the stuff in my way. It was amazingly annoying.

We got Lenovo PCs at the office, and we got to uninstall all the unnecessary junk on them because something prevents them from becoming a member in our network domain.

This ad is so true.

 

[Sesshi]

Where does your Mac get 2 minutes 40 seconds? My father's Mac Mini with a 1.4 G4 processor takes less than 30 seconds to boot up. I 'm trying skype right now and it takes less than 10 seconds on a cold start on my Linux box with a 1.7Ghz Pentium M. Both of these machines have slower specs than the one you stated. Does that mean Office takes a whopping 2 minutes to start?

No - I don't believe so.

Every post regarding this on this thread is comparing Apples with oranges.
I chose Skype as the main startup item because a) I use it and b) it's a cross-platform application that has an adverse effect on startup time on both platforms.

I booted up the MBP and waited until a) everything had come up and b) I could do stuff in Word. On the Mac, this happened to be almost the same time - the 2:50 I mentioned. All of the machines I used here have 2Gb of RAM.

Under Vista, the time to Word being available to use and full machine start-up including Skype varied a lot. Office was responsive almost immediately after logging in, but it took a while after logging on for everything else to initialise. The Dell time you see is the full startup time, which is still a minute short of a Macbook Pro with very similar hardware. The Sony time is the time it took for Word to be available - which is as I said above a lot shorter than the full boot-up time.