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New Get A Mac Ad: Stuffed
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Yep, those Jeff Goldblum 'Think Different' adverts were oh so memorable
Apple has been attracting a lot of PC switchers over the last couple of years and market share has gone up. Ads like the current ones are just what Apple needs - this is no time for a 'Macs should play play and sell themselves on their own merits' philosophy. The machine designs themselves and the brand that's been built up, with the help of the iPod over the last few years, means people know more what Apple and Macs are about anyway. With Vista getting a lukewarm reception, Apple needs to hammer and hammer away at the flaws in their rival.
This is hard business and Macs still have a lowly 6% of the market.
As someone else said, this should've been used to talk about how the Windows registry gets bloated.
As for trial software that comes with the Mac, most of it isn't pre-installed by default, and the stuff that's installed doesn't have any background process AFAIK.
And as far as helping people switch, iTunes for Windows was the best thing Apple ever decided to do. When I first installed it, I wanted to control what it did, especially with my carefully sorted music files. But when it started moving files around after I agreed to let it manage everything, I got angry real fast. But I told myself "ok, let it do its thing, maybe it'll do a better job than me". After that I was angry that my files were almost useless (CDs ripped to MP3 with barely any meta-data). But after ripping everything again (AAC with meta-data) I began to play with smart playlists.
It opened my eyes on the fact that the computer should be working for me, not the other way around. The minute I realised I should't be fighting iTunes about the location of my music files (apart from the drive/directory, which I can decide), my mind switched to "Apple mode".
What I wonder is, would I have "understood" the ads before that?
As for trial software that comes with the Mac, most of it isn't pre-installed by default, and the stuff that's installed doesn't have any background process AFAIK.
And as far as helping people switch, iTunes for Windows was the best thing Apple ever decided to do. When I first installed it, I wanted to control what it did, especially with my carefully sorted music files. But when it started moving files around after I agreed to let it manage everything, I got angry real fast. But I told myself "ok, let it do its thing, maybe it'll do a better job than me". After that I was angry that my files were almost useless (CDs ripped to MP3 with barely any meta-data). But after ripping everything again (AAC with meta-data) I began to play with smart playlists.
It opened my eyes on the fact that the computer should be working for me, not the other way around. The minute I realised I should't be fighting iTunes about the location of my music files (apart from the drive/directory, which I can decide), my mind switched to "Apple mode".
What I wonder is, would I have "understood" the ads before that?
Odd thing is when I first got my iBook it had at least 4 different trial software installed that I immediately deleted, but my windows machine had non(mostly due to the fact I built it myself). But yeah most pc come with horrible bloatware and trial software.
regisirty deletion can be easy with the right 3rd party software or if you have some time on your hand and are willing to search? It aint that hard. And the registry isn't that horrbile, as there are some neat things you can do there to give more function to your comp or phone.
I wonder why Mac always starts accelerating his speech and kinda looks down and away from the camera when he talks about the iLife apps...
Time it takes a 2.4Ghz Windows XP machine with anti-virus, skype and several other pieces of software to boot up to a stage where Word is usable: 1 minute 40 seconds.
Time it takes a 2.33Ghz OS X machine with skype and quicksilver set to run at bootup to boot up to a stage where Word is usable: 2 minutes 40 seconds.
It's not JUST about coming with trial software, etc. It's about coming with trial software and non-trial crapware that runs in the background and slows the PC down.
This is a big problem with a lot of PC's sold by HP, Dell, Sony, etc...... to the point that places like Best Buy and Circuit City advertise it as a "service" to remove all this crap for customers, and that Dell markets as a "feature" of their high end XPS laptops the fact that they don't contain any bloatware/crapware.
If PC's just came with trial software like your MacBook that took up space but didn't slow the computer down or cause other problems, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
The point I think of this commercial isn't just the idea of coming with a lot of unnecessary bloatware, but that a lot of it slows the system down too. Macs may come with some trial software, and may also come with stuff like iLife preinstalled, but none of these specifically RUIN the experience or make things run really slow and crappy.
-Zadillo
great ad...
I like the ad...and really like the guy who plays pc...and this ad is so true! My Sony needed a new HD, so I installed Windows (pain!) again, only to find a full desktop of crap + 400 trials...running slower than with the old, near dead HD! At least office and iwork trails make sense (and they don't launch durring startup, slowing you down, then asking you to buy them!)
I like the ad...and really like the guy who plays pc...and this ad is so true! My Sony needed a new HD, so I installed Windows (pain!) again, only to find a full desktop of crap + 400 trials...running slower than with the old, near dead HD! At least office and iwork trails make sense (and they don't launch durring startup, slowing you down, then asking you to buy them!)
I've got a 2.2 GHz Windows XP machine and I don't even have things like skype, antivirus, etc. set to start up on bootup and it takes almost 3 minutes to boot up and get to a point where Word is actually useable.
Conversely, even my old G4 Cube at home can get to a point where I can launch Word in under 3 minutes.
When I had a MacBook briefly, I recall the bootups to be incredibly fast. Definitely not almost 3 minutes to launch and use Word.
What point exactly were you trying to make?
-Zadillo
Are those Core 2 Duo Ghz - i.e. comparing like for like - or superannuated Pentium 4 Ghz?
It's a Socket 754 Athlon 64 3400+ (rated at 2.2 GHz).
Although again, note that even my old 450 MHz PowerPC G4 based system doesn't take almost 3 minutes to get to the point Word is useable, so I'm not sure what is wrong with your system.
My MacBook, when I had it, finished booting and I could launch Word in well under 2 minutes as well.
Also, my Sony SZ460 with Windows Vista Business, and Sony's bunch of crapware, would take 4 minutes or so from turning the computer on to being ready to actually launch Word, and that was with a 2.0 GHz C2D and 2GB of RAM. It spent a long time loading up all the crapware, the stupid Vista Sidebar, etc. etc. etc. I couldn't launch new apps until all of this was done.
So again, I don't know what point you are trying to make.
-Zadillo
That's true. What is your point though?
I've seen much longer boot times on my PC, but also on my Sony SZ460, which features a Core 2 Duo T7200 at 2.0 GHz.
My MacBook with that same processor and amount of RAM (2GB) took less than 2 minutes to finish booting and launch Word. My SZ with Vista Business took well over 4 minutes to finish loading up all of the crap.
So again, what point are you trying to make?
All I see you saying is that your particular PC and Mac set up have these problems.
My PC setups, including directly comparable ones (both with the exact same amount of RAM and T7200 Core 2 Duo processor), take much longer than my Mac setups.
Even my 450 MHz PowerPC G4 Cube doesn't take 2 minutes 40 seconds to get to the point where I can launch Word. So I don't know what is wrong with your Mac and why it takes so long to be able to launch Word. Hell, I even have Quicksilver launching on my Cube.
And what's wrong with a 2.2 GHz Athlon 64 3400+? It's not like it not being dual core directly matters.
Either way, my Core 2 Duo laptop with Vista Business and Sony's bloatware took longer anyway than my PC.
-Zadillo
Yep, that's something I will never understand...most PCs I see or use are awfully slow when compared to Macs in daily usage, even the newest ones...startup times are ridiculous, wakeup times are ridiculous, multitasking is ridiculous...even my gf's iTunes feels like a dud in her Dell...probably the only thing faster on PCs is MS Office...nothing else.
It's still amazing how many people buy PCs...almost unbelievable.
One of the better ones, I hate macs that come preinstalled with iLife though, some of those programs take up a LOT of space and are extremely hard to uninstall because theres no uninstall script and it gets littered all over your hdd. Thank god iLife isnt on the actual OSX disc unlike PC's that force you to use recovery discs. I have no use for programs like iweb, idvd, and imovie.
This one and the cancel/allow one are the best I think. OEM PC's come packed with malware and spyware, the reason they slow down the computer is because they are always some stupid "monitoring" program or a program that associates itself with abunch of file types. The best thing to do when buying a Dell or some other OEM is to get a seperate copy of Windows. Some of the other commercials are just plain insulting and full of lies though.
This one and the cancel/allow one are the best I think. OEM PC's come packed with malware and spyware, the reason they slow down the computer is because they are always some stupid "monitoring" program or a program that associates itself with abunch of file types. The best thing to do when buying a Dell or some other OEM is to get a seperate copy of Windows. Some of the other commercials are just plain insulting and full of lies though.
"PC" is standing at an airport boarding gate and he keeps looking at his watch and muttering, "Where is MAC? I wonder why he is so late..."
The gate attendant announces, "Last call for boarding now."
After a couple more glances at his watch, he says--
"And he always blames ME for being late all the time..."
"Where is Mac now? He PROMISED he would be here on time..."
PC boards the plane and the ad cuts to the plan taking off...
with no Mac.
...and when he gets there PC realizes Mac has been there for years.
Could work!
Actually, most Macs come with a full Restore disc, not just a plain OS X disc.
But generally you can use the Restore disc to do a completely clean install of just OS X if you like, and uncheck the options for iLife, etc.
When I bought a G4 mac mini I thought it came with an OSX disc and ilife disc? Maybe Im wrong, its been ages since Ive bought a mac new from the store.
Dude, are you serious?
I'm a PC technician and once I start cleaning up a PC with all this junkware they come with, they do feel a bit faster.
You know how much crap loads when the system starts up?
Plus it's USELESS JUNK.
The Macs do also come with trial software (2) as of my last Mac (Jan' 07), but they're stuff that people can use.
I'm sorry I had to even ask. I actually tend to compare comparable stuff - that is what comparisons are about, I believe. I call it as I see it. The OS X machine was recently re-installed from scratch whereas the XP machine hasn't been touched in a while - so the Mac actually had an edge.
I just booted my VGN-SZ4VW (C2D 2.16) and including the time it takes to log in, Vista Business boots in 1 minute 5 seconds to a state where I can type stuff into Word. I don't have Skype running on that machine so it's not a fully equivalent comparison.
O RLY? (In fact, even if it didn't matter a Core Solo would outperform an A64 Ghz for Ghz)
The point I was making was that he's mistaken, and comparisons are best made between similar machines.
The point I've decided to make with this post after your apparent experience with the kit in your post is... hmmm. I think it has 'full of it' somewhere in the point
Editing further, although I enjoyed the cancel/allow ad I could also mention that setting yourself up as a regular user on the Mac also gets you the 'type in username/password' prompt at very similar places to where Vista asks for confirmation of an action. It amuses me that that sails straight over the Applemaniac's heads
I just booted my VGN-SZ4VW (C2D 2.16) and including the time it takes to log in, Vista Business boots in 1 minute 5 seconds to a state where I can type stuff into Word. I don't have Skype running on that machine so it's not a fully equivalent comparison.
O RLY? (In fact, even if it didn't matter a Core Solo would outperform an A64 Ghz for Ghz)
The point I was making was that he's mistaken, and comparisons are best made between similar machines.
The point I've decided to make with this post after your apparent experience with the kit in your post is... hmmm. I think it has 'full of it' somewhere in the point
Editing further, although I enjoyed the cancel/allow ad I could also mention that setting yourself up as a regular user on the Mac also gets you the 'type in username/password' prompt at very similar places to where Vista asks for confirmation of an action. It amuses me that that sails straight over the Applemaniac's heads
You missed my point completely. I was comparing booting XP on a non-Apple PC to booting XP on my MacBook. I never said anything about booting OSX (although it's about the same as XP on my computer). As for how long it takes to boot and launch Word, I'm assuming you're referring to an Intel Mac? If so, it's running Rosetta so I wouldn't expect it to be very fast. Try it on a G5 if you want to make it fair.
Credit where credit is due.
I'm not stalking you in fact came across this by accident.