New GPU on next refresh?

[bloodycape]

No, the SA isn't the replacement for the Z, it is the replacement for the older SZ and in some ways a more premium version of last years S(matte display, which the S or SB/SC don't offer). The Z is still going to be around, but its going to be a different. The gpu(not Intel igp) and optical drive are now going to be part of a dock, which from what I have read allows the Z to be even lighter and thinner while still having a full voltage cpu.

Now all I am asking for on a 13in machine is a price of around $1200, high gamut matte or anti-glare display with reasonably wide angles, SB cpu with a gpu better than what intel currently offers(even its only a little better) and an optical drive. Who ever can offer me that may get a purchase from me.

 

[coldmack]

Wind'ohs? Seriously? How old are you?

Let me rephrase your statement.

I am 24 years young and a real Mac Head, unlike some people here. BTW how are you guys liking your Sorry Vaio with it all the security holes, rootkits, and cheap plastic body?

 

[TheMacBookPro]

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Wind'ohs? Seriously? How old are you?

Let me rephrase your statement.

I am 24 years young and a real Mac Head, unlike some people here. BTW how are you guys liking your Sorry Vaio with it all the security holes, rootkits, and cheap plastic body?

If you're 24 then don't act like you're 8.

If you're going to quote issues from other products, let me do the same,

How do you like your glare-y screens, brittle glass and antenna issues?

Doesn't make much sense does it? In the same way, referring to the Sony BMG rootkits doesn't make much sense either.

BTW my Z is made of aluminum and carbon fibre.

 

[coldmack]

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If you're 24 then don't act like you're 8.

If you're going to quote issues from other products, let me do the same,

How do you like your glare-y screens, brittle glass and antenna issues?

Doesn't make much sense does it? In the same way, referring to the Sony BMG rootkits doesn't make much sense either.

BTW my Z is made of aluminum and carbon fibre.

I dunno I don't have an iPhone yet, and plus the glass hardened glass. Big deal, carbon fiber is actually less durable than what apple offer and the palm rest is only aluminum on your Z.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

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If you're 24 then don't act like you're 8.

If you're going to quote issues from other products, let me do the same,

How do you like your glare-y screens, brittle glass and antenna issues?

Doesn't make much sense does it? In the same way, referring to the Sony BMG rootkits doesn't make much sense either.

BTW my Z is made of aluminum and carbon fibre.

I dunno I don't have an iPhone yet, and plus the glass hardened glass. Big deal, carbon fiber is actually less durable than what apple offer and the palm rest is only aluminum on your Z.

CF is lighter and seems to be just as durable as the aluminum unibody. In fact I daresay its more durable- even treated roughly my year old z is still in decent condition (only damage is on the metal body, not on the cf or plastic bottom) My airs lid is already chipped from just a USB connector hitting the corner.

The Z's lid is cf and the main chassis is metal/alu. The only plastic areas are the bottom and the palmrest.

 

[Mobius 1]

why does this thread become a vaio thread :O

well alienware>vaio

i just don't like laptops designed with beauty in mind, i just want performance

 

[TheMacBookPro]

why does this thread become a vaio thread :O

well alienware>vaio

i just don't like laptops designed with beauty in mind, i just want performance

Just FYI my Z pwns my m11x in gaming. The 335M can't make up the performance gap between the ULV i5 and the non-LV i7.

Not sure about the new one, but I'm not getting one. Not-great build quality, incredibly glare-y screen and poor quality display. Have they fixed any of this yet?

If you just want performance you want an M17x or something like that.

 

[Mobius 1]

Just FYI my Z pwns my m11x in gaming. The 335M can't make up the performance gap between the ULV i5 and the non-LV i7.

Not sure about the new one, but I'm not getting one. Not-great build quality, incredibly glare-y screen and poor quality display. Have they fixed any of this yet?

If you just want performance you want an M17x or something like that.

dude it's a 11" against a 13" with a SSD and sandy bridge


i already started to build my own tower now, i won't buy another apple computer

 

[daneoni]

lol...after all that.

Funny enough, from reading your responses in the thread, i had a feeling this was the direction you'd end up heading.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

No, the SA isn't the replacement for the Z, it is the replacement for the older SZ and in some ways a more premium version of last years S(matte display, which the S or SB/SC don't offer). The Z is still going to be around, but its going to be a different. The gpu(not Intel igp) and optical drive are now going to be part of a dock, which from what I have read allows the Z to be even lighter and thinner while still having a full voltage cpu.

Now all I am asking for on a 13in machine is a price of around $1200, high gamut matte or anti-glare display with reasonably wide angles, SB cpu with a gpu better than what intel currently offers(even its only a little better) and an optical drive. Who ever can offer me that may get a purchase from me.

Damn... I guess i'll be sticking with my Z for the time being then.

dude it's a 11" against a 13" with a SSD and sandy bridge


i already started to build my own tower now, i won't buy another apple computer

My m11x has a 256GB SSD in there atm. Both the i5-520M and i7-620M are based on the Arrandale architecture.

...and yes this is my last off-topic post in here

 

[0092762]

Even if I accepted your comment as true, which I don't, lots of people's work makes heavy use of a GPU, either for graphics or as a vector coprocessor.

This is blatantly false. Both of those markets are very small. GPU's are practically useless except for games.

 

[Mobius 1]

This is blatantly false. Both of those markets are very small. GPU's are practically useless except for games.

wtf?


not true, 3d render require much more

 

[TheMacBookPro]

This is blatantly false. Both of those markets are very small. GPU's are practically useless except for games.

GPU acceleration is used in many applications, primarily in the Adobe suite of apps (Photoshop and Flash come to mind). GPU acceleration is also used to decode video etc in many apps.

Gaming is just one of many scenarios where a good GPU helps.

 

[Hellhammer]

GPU acceleration is used in many applications, primarily in the Adobe suite of apps (Photoshop and Flash come to mind).

CPU still does the heavy lifting. From what I have seen, the GPU seems to be pretty irrelevant when looking at performance.

http://www.barefeats.com/mbps06.html

http://www.macworld.com/article/157893/2011/02/2011macbookpro_benchmarks.html

GPU acceleration is also used to decode video etc in many apps.

And today's GPUs have specific engines dedicated for that. Intel HD 3000 bashes even the high-end desktop GPUs when it comes to video decoding due to QuickSync (obviously, it needs to be supported).

Gaming is just one of many scenarios where a good GPU helps.

It's the main, if not the only, scenario where the GPU makes a huge role. In other scenarios, a good CPU can eat up the difference, like you can see above.

 

[0092762]

GPU acceleration is used in many applications, primarily in the Adobe suite of apps (Photoshop and Flash come to mind). GPU acceleration is also used to decode video etc in many apps.

Gaming is just one of many scenarios where a good GPU helps.

You are incorrect as Hellhammer pointed out with benchmarks. You're right about flash video, but Intel GPU's can decode flash video (or other kinds of video) just as well as discrete GPU's. Any "mainstream" GPU usage, Intel can do just as well as a discrete card. It's only when you get to gaming or extremely niche GPGPU vector processing applications that you actually use a GPU.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Blatantly false? No, misleading maybe.

This is blatantly false. Both of those markets are very small. GPU's are practically useless except for games.

I don't consider Science, Engineering, Video production, CAD, etc "games".

OTOH, there is no way these markets would drive the development of GPUs the way games do -- in fact, these applications had to make do with expensive custom solutions (from, e.g. SGI, with nods to Intergraph, etc) with limited capabilities, until the crossover was made to games. For the last ten years, games have been driving GPU development, rather than the other way around. It has been great for everyone -- except parents of teenagers ;-)

It certainly is true that the Intel HD 3000 is plenty good enough for normal desktop use, including video playback, and I don't see why anyone except a gamer or someone with professional (including science and engineering) applications would be dissatisfied with the new generation of embedded GPUs from either Intel or AMD.

BTW, is "Google Earth" a game or a professional app?

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

I don't think professionals in that field are even looking at the 13" mbp so it's really a useless argument. Professionals like that who are encoding and dealing with video renders, 3D models, CAD work, etc. are most likely going to have a dedicated work station (such as a mac pro or high end desktop pc). If they are working on a mobile platform they are going to spring for the 15" or 17" models for their upgraded internals in most situations.