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Pic of the Android boys setting up to talk.

Says it all really (not to sound like a fanboy or anything ;) )

Do you use google search on your Mac? Google maps on your iDevice? Gmail in Safari?

...<sigh>....and you wonder why people despise Apple fans
 
I think that's where those new gestures for the iPad in the 4.3 beta would come in handy.

The five or four finger gesture to get back to the home screen ( you know the one that replaces to home button) ... well instead of doing that gesture .. why not do a five or four finger zoom ( I call it zoom because of doing the same pinch to zoom into pics) that would bring out widgets on top of any app running in iOS ... just like in Mac OSX

just my 2 cents

I think I read that the 4 finger pinch was likely going to be used as an app exit gesture (home button replacement). For widgets and status checking, a four finger scroll would make the most sense (as if you were pulling the current app down to see what is behind it).
 
I think I read that the 4 finger pinch was likely going to be used as an app exit gesture (home button replacement). For widgets and status checking, a four finger scroll would make the most sense (as if you were pulling the current app down to see what is behind it).

Sure :) Either way ... seems like they could put some gestures to pull up Widgets " a la Mac OSX" without cluttering the home screen ... and would be available while being inside an app and not having to go to the home screen like Honeycomb ;)
 
Sure :) Either way ... seems like they could put some gestures to pull up Widgets " a la Mac OSX" without cluttering the home screen ... and would be available while being inside an app and not having to go to the home screen like Honeycomb ;)

Um... pulling up widgets while inside a separate application sounds like a much faster way to clutter up a tablet screen than keeping widgets attached to one of (up to seven) home screen.

Might wanna rethink that, eh?
 
android has an advantage in that its early in its development cycle and google can make major changes to the OS with little disruption.

iOS is more mature and so any major alteration to the OS will have a far ranging impact on consumers and developers.
 
Um... pulling up widgets while inside a separate application sounds like a much faster way to clutter up a tablet screen than keeping widgets attached to one of (up to seven) home screen.

Might wanna rethink that, eh?

Works fine on Mac OS ... I don't see why not on a tablet
 
What are the specs?

Does it require a dual core cpu as rumored and did they announce when it will be available?

I believe Google already has stated that the dual core was a complete rumor and not true at all. It does not have a CPU requirement on it.

Um... pulling up widgets while inside a separate application sounds like a much faster way to clutter up a tablet screen than keeping widgets attached to one of (up to seven) home screen.

Might wanna rethink that, eh?

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. Best thing about that is the widgets that you keep set up like that are the ones that you often times want to look at with out exitting you current app.
Common things I know on my phone and my computer I tend to keep easy access to are weather and twitter.

Now I would love to have a twitter feed on my blackberry as a widget but can not do that.
For my windows 7 desktop down one side of my monitor I have CPU usage, weather, battery and twitter. No real clutter and if I need the space they all get covered up. They would be things I would want to quickly pull up for a glance. On windows it is windows key +space bar and makes all my windows see threw so I can see my desktop/gadgets docked.
How would pull up widgets be any different. I hate on my blackberry that i have to switch an to another app to see what is new instead of a quick pull up.

Email could be another good pull up one. Pull it up and look at who it is from and subject to see if you need to leave said app to go take care of the email.
 
Um... pulling up widgets while inside a separate application sounds like a much faster way to clutter up a tablet screen than keeping widgets attached to one of (up to seven) home screen.

Might wanna rethink that, eh?

Not necessarily. You're in mail, and you pullup the widgets. Mail either disappears or fades to the back so the widgets are dominant. Get rid of them and you're back whereever you were before. On the desktop they occupy valuable space that would be used by icons.
 
Not necessarily. You're in mail, and you pullup the widgets. Mail either disappears or fades to the back so the widgets are dominant. Get rid of them and you're back whereever you were before. On the desktop they occupy valuable space that would be used by icons.

Thank you for seeing what I was talking about and better explaining it :)
 
If you disagree, i'm very sorry to say, you are a fan boy plain and simple.

Wow, the hypocrisy.

Anyway, the only thing about today's presentation that interests me at all is the Android notifications. It is clear Apple needs to improve this in OS5. Other than that, there is absolutely nothing I saw today that would make me want to buy one of these (and I certainly would never give Motorola any more of my money)

I don't use widgets on my MacBook, so I have absolutely no interest to use them on my tablet. The apps still look like windows 3.1 apps compared to iOS apps. The UI looks confusing with a lot of unnecessary eye candy. The GMail client looked decent, but what about the Exchange Client? What about the music player...did Google fix this yet (its really bad in Android).

Competition is good for all, so I am happy Google is making an effort. But for me, I didnt see anything that interesting today (this includes The Daily).
 
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PhoneI said:
If you disagree, i'm very sorry to say, you are a fan boy plain and simple.

Wow, the hypocrisy.

Anyway, the only thing about today's presentation that interests me at all is the Android notifications. It is clear Apple needs to improve this in OS5. Other than that, there is absolutely nothing I saw today that would make me want to buy one of these (and I certainly would never give Motorola any more of my money)

I don't use widgets on my MacBook, so I have absolutely no interest to use them on my tablet. The apps still look like windows 3.1 apps compared to iOS apps. The UI looks confusing with a lot of unnecessary eye candy. The GMail client looked decent, but what about the Exchange Client? What about the music player...did Google fix this yet (its really bad in Android).

Competition is good for all, so I am happy Google is making an effort. But for me, I didnt see anything that interesting today (this includes The Daily).

Did you not watch the video? They showed off the new tablet optimized music player which didn't look bad.
 
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Did you not watch the video? They showed off the new tablet optimized music player which didn't look bad.

Which video? linky please.
 
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Did you not watch the video? They showed off the new tablet optimized music player which didn't look bad.

Which video? linky please.

It was shown during the keynote. If I find a link featuring it I'll post it here!
 
There is one major feature that Apple really needs to include in the iOS UI (IMO): app tracking. By that I mean, on the one hand, I would like to be able to tell Safari to automagically open links to pdfs in my pdf app, wikipedia in my wikipedia app, comedycentral.com in Skyfire (so I can see the videos) etc, etc. After that, give me the trail so that when I decide I am done with, say, the YouTube video it sent me to, I can return directly to the app that sent me there (which might have been a sports chat app or wikipedia app or whatever), bypassing the home screens.

Actually, I have an app that does this already. It's a Japanese ebook reader app, and you can tap a word and call up a dictionary, or do a wikipedia or google search, and then it sends you to the dictionary app or to the search engine, but with a bar at the top that you tap to get back to the ereader app. So it's possible, at least on an app level. I'm not sure why more devs don't incorporate this functionality into their apps. Sure would be nice to have it on the OS level, though.
 
Been trying Honeycomb on my Nook Color. It has potential, but due to the huge investment i have made in Apps this past yearly the iPad, it would take more than Honeycomb to make me switch platform at this stage. Likewise phone wise too.



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Forgot to say that the Nook Color rom image is built on the sdk and it's clear that Honeycomb will not require dual processors to run. It's actually quite responsive (despite being unofficial beta) on my Nook and I haven't installed the faster CPU kernels, just the stock 800mhz of Nook.
 
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The UI looks confusing with a lot of unnecessary eye candy.

Confusing, really? C'mon now, it's apparent that the interface is quite simple to use. You may not find it impressive, but when you start making up arguments against it you just make yourself look stupid.
 
Wow, the hypocrisy.

Anyway, the only thing about today's presentation that interests me at all is the Android notifications. It is clear Apple needs to improve this in OS5. Other than that, there is absolutely nothing I saw today that would make me want to buy one of these (and I certainly would never give Motorola any more of my money)

I don't use widgets on my MacBook, so I have absolutely no interest to use them on my tablet. The apps still look like windows 3.1 apps compared to iOS apps. The UI looks confusing with a lot of unnecessary eye candy. The GMail client looked decent, but what about the Exchange Client? What about the music player...did Google fix this yet (its really bad in Android).

Competition is good for all, so I am happy Google is making an effort. But for me, I didnt see anything that interesting today (this includes The Daily).

No one uses widgets on their macs because they're totally useless and inconvenient.

If all of you Apple users are comparing android widgets to mac OSX widgets, then you are WAY off. It is not even comparable between the two of them.

Widgets in OSX are an afterthought that no one uses and are not important, but widgets in android are what the OS is based around and absolutely crucial for an optimal experience. They make everything much more efficient and convenient.
 
Confusing, really? C'mon now, it's apparent that the interface is quite simple to use. You may not find it impressive, but when you start making up arguments against it you just make yourself look stupid.

Don't know about ease of use (haven't looked at any videos, just the still photos), but it does look like there are lots of elements on the home page, so it *looks* confusing. It's a bit more cluttered than I want from a mobile OS. Of course, I suppose it's customizable so I can have it as simple or as complex as I want, but the point is, the complex looks are being touted about as a distinguishing feature of Honeycomb, but they are off-putting to me.
 
No one uses widgets on their macs because they're totally useless and inconvenient.

What an absolute load of rubbish. I use widgets on my Mac all the time. One keypress and I can easily glance at the information. Press it again and they get out of my way and let me get back to work. I certainly don't want them taking up space when I don't them.

But this is irrelevant as we're discussing a portable device here, not a desktop computer. If you ask me Honeycomb is trying to hard to be a desktop replacement; time will tell if it works.
 
Don't know about ease of use (haven't looked at any videos, just the still photos), but it does look like there are lots of elements on the home page, so it *looks* confusing. It's a bit more cluttered than I want from a mobile OS. Of course, I suppose it's customizable so I can have it as simple or as complex as I want, but the point is, the complex looks are being touted about as a distinguishing feature of Honeycomb, but they are off-putting to me.

The clean icon based UI of iOS does catch the eye. However, it is completely useless. One gains no information from a grid of static icons. Android, on the other hand, can give you as much information as you want at a glance. Of course if you prefer the grid of static icons you can do that with Android. At least with Android you have a choice with how complex you want your homescreen, unlike iOS. So to tout the simplicity of iOS as a benefit is completely disingenuous.
 
There is one major feature that Apple really needs to include in the iOS UI (IMO): app tracking. By that I mean, on the one hand, I would like to be able to tell Safari to automagically open links to pdfs in my pdf app, wikipedia in my wikipedia app, comedycentral.com in Skyfire (so I can see the videos) etc, etc. After that, give me the trail so that when I decide I am done with, say, the YouTube video it sent me to, I can return directly to the app that sent me there (which might have been a sports chat app or wikipedia app or whatever), bypassing the home screens.

I think this app tracking is one of the uses hidden in the new 4/5-finger gestures in the iOS 4.3. beta. Assuming it stacks screens in order of most recent access like the multitasking tray, a simple swipe to the left would bring you back to the app you came from without ever touching the home button.
 
We knew iOS needed a notification overhaul before honeycomb was ever introduced. We've basically known it since the pre launched 1.5 years ago.
 
We knew iOS needed a notification overhaul before honeycomb was ever introduced. We've basically known it since the pre launched 1.5 years ago.

We've had several mobile platforms with better notification systems well before that. Windows Mobile 6 and Android both originally came with far better notification systems.
 
We've had several mobile platforms with better notification systems well before that. Windows Mobile 6 and Android both originally came with far better notification systems.

Windows Mobile 6 isn't really a modern smartphone OS and Android didn't really have that much polish at the time. WebOS was really polished AND had a great notification system. If android suggested there may be a better way to do it, webOS sent a certified letter demanding so.
 
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