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animefan_1 said:
Three days from today (Friday) is Monday. It is possible that Apple will release updated Mac minis and iBooks on Monday (they've done it before).
Three-to-five BUSINESS days.
 
manu chao said:
So, what is your conclusion? Everybody seems to agree that G4 based products need to go first, because they lag behind the most. Will Powerbooks and iBooks switch to Intel at around the same time, between March and June 06, or will the Powerbooks go first and iBooks get one last G4 update at around the same time?

And will there be a commercially available Mactel before the Powerbooks (to speed-up software development, some critical mass might be necessary to force developers to hurry up)? Could it be the Mac mini (it would not cannibalize Powerbook sales directly)?
If I were Jobs, I'd ...

-give iBooks about 3 months (one quarter) lead time over the PowerBooks. PowerBook sales kinda suck anyways, so it's not that huge of a risk. Plus, I'd imagine new iBook sales would more than make up for lost PowerBook sales. Remember that Apple has stopped differentiating the consumer & pro lines in their quarterly reports. So, as long as the bottom line is healthy, it shouldn't matter that much about whether the iBook is cannabalizing sales.

-not worry too much about the lack of pro software when they release the PowerBooks. If Rosetta can indeed run most ppc apps at about 60% performance, a 2.2 ghz Centrino/Yonah should compete pretty well against current Powerbooks running native software. It was very important for developers and consumers alike to see Photoshop running so well under Rosetta. Of course, Apple will do all its benchmarks on Universal bin apps like Mathematica and iLife and show how much the new Mactel 'books spank the old line.

-
 
Rootman said:
Three-to-five BUSINESS days.

Don't you know?...Steve likes to work his people from dawn till dusk ('weekends are for weenies' :D )



Seriously, though, good point. I didn't even consider that.
 
manu chao said:
Who in their right mind would buy a Mac and then run Windows on it, there are enough Wintels out there to choose from, what would be the incentive (design alone?)? And don't tell me that you could boot between OS X and Windows. Nobody kept or keeps booting between OS 9 and OS X constantly or between Linux and Windows, you settle for one OS and only boot on rare occasions in other OS to do what you cannot do in your primary one (and every time you do this, you curse your primary OS for not being able to do with it all you want).

I would. By being able to dual boot, I would be able to only carry one machine, instead of 2 or 3. I run very specialized software, some of which is only available on Windows. Some others are only available for OS9, and others only on OSX. On my Pbook, I switch back and forth constantly between OS9 and OSX (and curse it constantly). But I also have to carry my Windoze laptop with me for the other pieces (also cursing constantly).

I would be happy to carry only one machine, and boot between OSX and Windoze as neccessary. Until, of course, all of the apps that I use become
universal binary's, and then......


Edit: whoops - I should have made clear that I would only run the Windoze portion when I had no physical connection to the internet!
 
newsound said:
I would. By being able to dual boot, I would be able to only carry one machine, instead of 2 or 3. I run very specialized software, some of which is only available on Windows. Some others are only available for OS9, and others only on OSX. On my Pbook, I switch back and forth constantly between OS9 and OSX (and curse it constantly). But I also have to carry my Windoze laptop with me for the other pieces (also cursing constantly).

I would be happy to carry only one machine, and boot between OSX and Windoze as neccessary.
You realize that an Intel Mac will not run OS 9, even in Classic mode, right?
 
SiliconAddict said:
How much space? Maybe 5mm? Hardly earth shattering and would be highly useful esp if they put the RAM upgrade back there as well. What the heck do you mean user friendly?!? Its no more difficult then removing a battery from a laptop. A door on the back of the system would have the USB symbol on it. Flip it open, plug it in, lay the cables, flip it closed. Nice neat cables coming out the bottom laying flat. A freaking chimp could figure that out.

I like your idea, SiliconAddict. You'd not only have more ports but a built-in cable management system. Just plug the things that you use all the time into those ports (i.e. keyboard and mouse) and leave the other ports for peripherals that you plug in and out regularly.

Squire
 
Rod Rod said:
You realize that an Intel Mac will not run OS 9, even in Classic mode, right?

Yes, I do. Thankfully, the major piece of software that I am currently having to boot into OS9 for is migrating (finally) to OSX (and actually because of the change to Intel, may be also available to Windoze only users)

My point is that dual boot/dual machine has been important for years to many of us. I don't think that Apple is at all ignorent of that fact. And that,
just maybe, the universal binary will actually make more specialized software available on more platforms.

I, for one, welcome that possibility.
 
newsound said:
Yes, I do. Thankfully, the major piece of software that I am currently having to boot into OS9 for is migrating (finally) to OSX (and actually because of the change to Intel, may be also available to Windoze only users)

My point is that dual boot/dual machine has been important for years to many of us. I don't think that Apple is at all ignorent of that fact. And that,
just maybe, the universal binary will actually make more specialized software available on more platforms.

I, for one, welcome that possibility.

I agree that being able to dual booth OSX and Windows on ONE machine would be an excellent advantage not only to the user but to Apple as well since they would be the only company who could offer this. Flame all you want but it would be like getting the best of both worlds (yes there are somethings you can do on windows that you CANT do on your macs)
 
fredwards said:
I agree that being able to dual booth OSX and Windows on ONE machine would be an excellent advantage not only to the user but to Apple as well since they would be the only company who could offer this. Flame all you want but it would be like getting the best of both worlds (yes there are somethings you can do on windows that you CANT do on your macs)


I don't see many Mac users actually booting into Windows, let alone having partition, installing, install virus scan, and spybot. What I hope to see is Virtual PC running at full speed, or maybe even WINE for Mac (Apple WINE :) ).
 
fredwards said:
I agree that being able to dual booth OSX and Windows on ONE machine would be an excellent advantage not only to the user but to Apple as well since they would be the only company who could offer this. Flame all you want but it would be like getting the best of both worlds (yes there are somethings you can do on windows that you CANT do on your macs)

I'd call this a bit of playful heresy. It would be useful I suppose. I have some friends and family who'd rather not switch to Mac, yet they still need my help with their comps when things go wrong. ;) So this would help me to brush up on my ancient Windoze 3.1 skills.
(Speaking of Apple WINE, does anybody else enjoy Hornsbys Draft Cider?)
 
I owned the first Mac with an Intel CPU. It came out of Apple more than 10 years ago. Forgive an oldtimer as he reminisces about the Quadra 610 DOS Compatible. Yes, it was real. See
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112244]

Introduced in 1994, this pizza-box Mac had a 25 MHz Moto processor AND a 25MHz Intel 486 on a PDS board. This was not a third-party upgrade, it was a stock Apple configuration and the Intel daughterboard had Apple's copyright imprinted. 25,000 were made by Apple and they were snapped up fast, until the model was discontinued five months after intro. (Orange Computers also made a DOS expansion card, but this particular model was pure Apple.) Mine came with System 7 and DOS, and you could hot-switch between operating systems -- and they shared a clipboard for cut and paste between the two.

It was the only Mac that couldn't be shut down in the Finder - you had to hit the power switch.

More info at
http://www.lowendmac.com/quadra/q610dos.shtml

So this isn't Apple's first foray into Intel Inside. Bet you didn't know that!
 
tikibangout said:
Now however you order the iBook its 3-5 business days to ship. This is fishy.

The 3rd business day is Wednesady and the 5th business day is Friday. I interpret this to mean that Apple will finally have the stuff available immediately after release, including the BTO configurations.

IMO, the new ibooks and mini's are ready to go and the official announcement will probably come on Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest.

I'm one of those people hoping that the new mini will have faster hard drives and better GPU's.
 
Does anyone think I can call and have them change my ship date? I ordered on the the 19th, and it said 7-10 days to ship, and now people ordering it today would get it faster than me. I hope they can change it for me because this wait is outrageous.
 
tikibangout said:
Does anyone think I can call and have them change my ship date? I ordered on the the 19th, and it said 7-10 days to ship, and now people ordering it today would get it faster than me. I hope they can change it for me because this wait is outrageous.

I'm certain people ordering it after you are not going to get it sooner than you. This whole thing with days to ship is just Apple telling people not to expect anything right away.

First off, it seems all but certain that the new systems will be out Tuesday. If so, they aren't shipping anything before Tuesday. Second, if you ordered first, you'll be first in the queue.

Just relax and wait to see what happens on Tuesday. Most likely, they'll bump you to a new model and ship within a day or two.
 
powerbook911 said:
Finally, for the price, you get a lot with a Powerbook. Gigabit ethernet, bluetooth built-in, airport built-in, superdrive, beautiful aluminium case, reliability, the software, fantastic video output options to external displays, firewire 800, card slot, etc.
Sounds a lot like my Dell Latitude D610.

GbE, Bluetooth, 802.11g, DVD+-RW, magnesium case, reliability, software, PCI Express Radeon to external DVI/VGA displays, PC card, etc.

No 1394, but it has 4 USB 2.0 ports.

Plus 533 MHz DD2 memory, 1400x1050 display, docking station, ...

And it's $1584 US.

Suddenly, the PB seems pretty pricey.
 
AidenShaw said:
Sounds a lot like my Dell Latitude D610...

GbE, Bluetooth, 802.11g, DVD+-RW, magnesium case, reliability, software, PCI Express Radeon to external DVI/VGA displays, PC card, etc.

No 1394, but it has 4 USB 2.0 ports....

And it's $1605 US.

Suddenly, the PB seems pretty pricey.

yes but the powerbook runs osx. that makes it worth so much more.

any machine than leaves you with windows and linux as your only real os choices is worth about 5 bucks to me.
 
tsk said:
I'm certain people ordering it after you are not going to get it sooner than you. This whole thing with days to ship is just Apple telling people not to expect anything right away.

First off, it seems all but certain that the new systems will be out Tuesday. If so, they aren't shipping anything before Tuesday. Second, if you ordered first, you'll be first in the queue.

Just relax and wait to see what happens on Tuesday. Most likely, they'll bump you to a new model and ship within a day or two.

Well thats a relief. I just hope they don't **** up my order. Thanks.
 
animefan_1 said:
Three days from today (Friday) is Monday. It is possible that Apple will release updated Mac minis and iBooks on Monday (they've done it before).

PowerBooks come to mind (Jan 31 - Monday).

I know the business day thing kind of debunks Monday.

But, wasn't the PB announced at some conference? Wasn't that why it was a Monday or is my memory already shot?
 
tikibangout said:
Well thats a relief. I just hope they don't **** up my order. Thanks.

Just give them a call Tuesday after the announcement and ask them what your options are (assuming a Tuesday announcement). They'll no doubt offer to upgrade you to a new system or give you a discount on the old. Just figure out what you want and go with it. I'd guess your order would ship in a few days. I'd do it earlier rather than later though. Never know how big the demand may be.
 
SiliconAddict said:
as obsolete as they are now. Nothing gained nothing lost. why hold back other products on a product that is in the pipeline to get updated next year anyways. Face it guys PowerBooks in '05 are a lost cause.

i second that. if the Apple could wait 9 months for an iBook upgrade, then they damn well could wait 9 months until they update the pbs.
 
fredwards said:
I agree that being able to dual booth OSX and Windows on ONE machine would be an excellent advantage not only to the user but to Apple as well since they would be the only company who could offer this. Flame all you want but it would be like getting the best of both worlds (yes there are somethings you can do on windows that you CANT do on your macs)

ok. i am intrigued. aside from special software (d'uh). what exactly can one do on windows, that one can't! do on the mac?

like the adrenalin rush after booting up the machine and get a bsod?!
 
jiv3turkey748 said:
everyone that is talking about the ibooks going intel its not going to happen at wwdc they said it would be a year theyre not going to do it this soon they want to wait until the developers can port more software to intel


They said BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. Meaning anywhere from 6/05 - 6/06
 
davidwes said:
if the intel powerbooks are at wwdc when is the intel ibook? I was under the impression that the ibooks would go to intel first!

Nah. I say the PB will go Intel first (WWDC 2006) because if the iBook goes to Intel before the PB, the iBook would kill the PB performance wise.

I think the PB will go to Intel first and the iBook will get another G4 update before going Intel. The iBook could get a faster G4 with a 167MHz bus or the Freescale 7448 with the 200MHz bus. Then, when dual-core Pentium M's are available later in 2006, those will go into the PBs and the single-core Pentium M's will go in the iBooks.
 
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