Peace said:
They removed FrontPage from the Office 2003 bundled packages. Office 2000 and Office XP Premium contained the whole enchilada.
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They removed FrontPage from the Office 2003 bundled packages. Office 2000 and Office XP Premium contained the whole enchilada.
SiliconAddict said:
Don't mean to step on your God status but I used to be a beta tester for MS and at no time was Frontpage included in any office suite.You might be thinking of frontpage extensions tho
There never has been an "Office Premium Edition".It's always been "student,standard and professional".
Product Description
Microsoft Office XP 2002 Professional. Microsoft Office XP 2002 Professional includes: Word XP; Excel XP; Outlook XP; PowerPoint XP; Access XP.
Office 2000 Professional includes the following:
Microsoft Word 2000
Microsoft Excel 2000
Microsoft Outlook 2000
Microsoft Publisher 2000
Microsoft Small Business Tools
Microsoft Access 2000
Microsoft PowerPoint 2000
Gad....that's enough free ads for Microsoft now..
LOL well put caccamolle ! I can't stand people ignoring numerous sources saying that it doesnt make any sense, when really they are just hoping technology won't leave them behind.
You're whining more about him than he is about PBs. He's expressing an opinion, seemingly quite calmy. Doing the math, your post was about 4 times less relevant than his.caccamolle said:geeeeeee, another whiner !!!!!!
oh my pb ! oh my pb! oh my pb ! oh my pb slower than his iBook !!!!
I don't think there are that many, the problem is that the few of them are all here at MacRumors
Let's all try and get on here. Jesus... The internet should be the one place you can go to get away from bitching and arguing about/to each other.
Let's just say this, you buy a ferrari, it's silver and it has 350KW of power for $200 000. Your friend buys one for $150 000 and it's white with 280KW of power. 2 months later, another one of your friend spends $150 000 and he gets 400KW of power and twice as many features. Judging by your posts, I know you are perfect and you wouldn't complain, or moan or whine, I know you'd probably just sit there and smile for the other person, even offer to give him your car for free
I'm not here to flame you or anything, I'm just saying to let others have an opinion and only call them whiners or flame them if they start typing in caps, large letters and bold being complete and utter retards. Peace.
PS: God a Ferrari would be sweet
Need a house more though.
EricNau said:
I was talking about the Office suite, and the Office suite for Mac, specifically, which runs great. Publisher and Frontpage are not part of the Office suite whatsoever.
It's quite amazing how the only thing microsoft does right is a software suite for the opposition operating system~Shard~ said:I was talking about the Office suite, and the Office suite for Mac, specifically, which runs great. Publisher and Frontpage are not part of the Office suite whatsoever.
epepper9 said:It's quite amazing how the only thing microsoft does right is a software suite for the opposition operating system
I prefer the term "beautifully ironic".
Doctor Q said:
Yeah, that sound about right for Microsoft.
epepper9 said:You're whining more about him than he is about PBs. He's expressing an opinion, seemingly quite calmy. Doing the math, your post was about 4 times less relevant than his.
Let's all try and get on here. Jesus... The internet should be the one place you can go to get away from bitching and arguing about/to each other.
Let's just say this, you buy a ferrari, it's silver and it has 350KW of power for $200 000. Your friend buys one for $150 000 and it's white with 280KW of power. 2 months later, another one of your friend spends $150 000 and he gets 400KW of power and twice as many features. Judging by your posts, I know you are perfect and you wouldn't complain, or moan or whine, I know you'd probably just sit there and smile for the other person, even offer to give him your car for free
I'm not here to flame you or anything, I'm just saying to let others have an opinion and only call them whiners or flame them if they start typing in caps, large letters and bold being complete and utter retards. Peace.
PS: God a Ferrari would be sweet
Huh? I've got to side with the other guy. The original poster's post served no purpose other than to complain that his PB will be slower than the new iBooks. What does that add to the forum? Technology changes. Those who whine about the PB's have nobody to blame but themselves. They bought early and hopefully enjoyed the last couple months with the fastest Apple laptop available, b/c it won't be the fastest anymore...
Randall said:
Surely there is no spreadsheet program better than excel, but that does not make excel an excellent program. First: I'm not a high end spreasheet user, and don't know my way around very well. But I think that's OK-most everybody on earth has MS Office, and most people know their way around word just enough.
So take someone like me, using excel. certainly capable with computer in general, likes to tinker, but not a professional. And you do some stuff, oh, for chem class, and get your results. And you make a little chart. Now, in your first chart, you enter the title in the little chart wizard thingy when indicating where the data is coming from, and in the next one you enter the title when your naming the X and Y axes. AND YOU GET TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOOKING TITLES. One is big, bold, the other is a different font, smaller than the axis titles.
How is that good software?
epepper9 said:You're whining more about him than he is about PBs. He's expressing an opinion, seemingly quite calmy. Doing the math, your post was about 4 times less relevant than his.
Let's all try and get on here. Jesus... The internet should be the one place you can go to get away from bitching and arguing about/to each other.
Let's just say this, you buy a ferrari, it's silver and it has 350KW of power for $200 000. Your friend buys one for $150 000 and it's white with 280KW of power. 2 months later, another one of your friend spends $150 000 and he gets 400KW of power and twice as many features. Judging by your posts, I know you are perfect and you wouldn't complain, or moan or whine, I know you'd probably just sit there and smile for the other person, even offer to give him your car for free
I'm not here to flame you or anything, I'm just saying to let others have an opinion and only call them whiners or flame them if they start typing in caps, large letters and bold being complete and utter retards. Peace.
PS: God a Ferrari would be sweet
Man, I was not flaming, was I ?
I was expressing my opinion, nothing against the other dude really. I do appreciate your comments though.
On the other hand, you cannot deny that every single time there is an update, here at MacR, many many dudes who purchased prior to the update go on and on whining. Which is not a fault or a crime, I am just saying I would move on with life, because the world moves on anyway and PCs and all will continue to evolve and improve (hopefully).
But hey, if whining works for some, let it be.
The Ferrari example, is good and bad. Conceptually it is good, however you cannot compare at all the the frequency of updates/revisions of Ferrari cars with PCs, just not even close. It is a whole different ball game and as you know when a new model is out it takes on average 12-18 months to get it, if you are lucky enough to actually get one (unless you pay was above the price).
So anyhow, I got you points - I hope you get mine, at least in part.
And yes, Ferrari are sweet. A friend of mine just got the 360 while he waits for the new one, but he makes at least 20x what I makes so that's easy
For me too, house or house improvements come first and I got nothing left !!!!!cc
Thank-you caccamolle, you seem a reasonable member on these boards I am aware that the car market analogy is bad, but I think that high end italian cars are to the auto market as macs are to the computer market. Sorry if my post came off blunt/arrogant/ignorant. Personally for MWSF I am hoping all G4 computers go intel. Dunno what's happening with eMac though.
I am aware that the car market analogy is bad, but I think that high end italian cars are to the auto market as macs are to the computer market. Sorry if my post came off blunt/arrogant/ignorant. Personally for MWSF I am hoping all G4 computers go intel. Dunno what's happening with eMac though.
epepper9 said:
Oooh, good one - yes, what will happen to the eMac? There's a machine I haven't heard anything about in ages... almost forgot about it...
And yes, as I've stated before, I think it only makes sense to get rid of the G4 machines first with Intel chips, then go from there. Whether Apple will do ti all at once though remains to be seen. I doubt all 3 lines will be updated at MWSF, but I definitely wouldn't complain if that were the case!
More likely though, we will see further updates in the subsequent weeks following MWSF, as has happened in the past. Many great things have been released at previous MWSFs, however Apple has always had a tendency of releasing more (sometimes equally as important) updates in the few short weeks afterwards as well, extending into the February time period. 
normal in the valley
Seriously, though, there is a lot of internal secrecy inside companies in the valley.
Apple is the poster child for this - with threats to impair your ability to reproduce if you even hint about the next color for the iPod. (Although Apple would have benefited from leaks of the Dalmation/Flower Power Imacs - the huge chorus of "don't go there" might have avoided that fiasco.)
Any information that may have a material affect on the stock price of a publicly traded company needs to be strictly controlled. What would have been the effect of stories about "Apple announces 64-bit IBM PPC-970 based systems" and "New build of OSX for Intel 32-bit x86 chips" showing up the same week? Not good for PPC970 (aka Apple marketing name "G5") systems....
I keep an Excel spreadsheet of the things that I'm working on, and what each of the people who report to me have worked on. When I get an email from the corporate legal team saying that I have been reported to the SEC as having substantive non-public knowledge, I need to tell the lawyers who else is involved.
When a new project comes up, before I ask one of my people if they'd like to work on it - the first question is "do you need to sell stock in the next 6 months?"....
Apple is in the same boat - even if you absolutely, without question, trust people - security rules require you to do extraordinary things to maintain secrets.
So, even though regular readers may be surprised to hear me defending Apple, keeping the real extent of the x86 build environment private was essential.
Forget about the Steve, I worry about George W. Shrubbery !gnasher729 said:
Seriously, though, there is a lot of internal secrecy inside companies in the valley.
Apple is the poster child for this - with threats to impair your ability to reproduce if you even hint about the next color for the iPod. (Although Apple would have benefited from leaks of the Dalmation/Flower Power Imacs - the huge chorus of "don't go there" might have avoided that fiasco.)
Any information that may have a material affect on the stock price of a publicly traded company needs to be strictly controlled. What would have been the effect of stories about "Apple announces 64-bit IBM PPC-970 based systems" and "New build of OSX for Intel 32-bit x86 chips" showing up the same week? Not good for PPC970 (aka Apple marketing name "G5") systems....
I keep an Excel spreadsheet of the things that I'm working on, and what each of the people who report to me have worked on. When I get an email from the corporate legal team saying that I have been reported to the SEC as having substantive non-public knowledge, I need to tell the lawyers who else is involved.
When a new project comes up, before I ask one of my people if they'd like to work on it - the first question is "do you need to sell stock in the next 6 months?"....
Apple is in the same boat - even if you absolutely, without question, trust people - security rules require you to do extraordinary things to maintain secrets.
So, even though regular readers may be surprised to hear me defending Apple, keeping the real extent of the x86 build environment private was essential.
epepper9 said:Thank-you caccamolle, you seem a reasonable member on these boards
g4 and g5 I would add with no hesitation, should I say more ? just being a bit sarcastic, but serious nonetheless. I personally love the Mac, have been with Apple since the IIe, never looked back. However, now, I am thinking enough is enough. IT's been a nobel cause which I have supported with all my means (man if I added up the $$$ I have spent with Apple, I am sure it would be more than $50k!), but now lets get real and switch to where the power is, which is not just in the processor but the whole architecture.
Geee, I am horrified at the fact that in a couple of days I will receive my first ever windoz PC. Yes, I oredered it for my wife for work, but in the process I made sure it would be a fast machine; I am horrified at how it will feel to play games on it compared to the Macs !!!!! ... you know, years ahead. (by the way a very fast machine for just $1800, including a 20" lcd - believe me, it will take lots of Macs to even come close for games and I bet many other apps).
Anyhhow, I am diverting. Again, thank you Apple for switching so now you'll stop asking people to do so
cc
PS: I really want an iMac 20", I just love it !!! but I will wait for the intel stuff.
epepper9 said:Thank-you caccamolle, you seem a reasonable member on these boards
Hey, I try to be reasonable, not always succeed, but hey I can take it some s**t when I deserve it.
Wow, I am not too much in disagreement with Apple vs Ferrari; I love Apple in good part, like I guess many others, because of its design and innovation, it just kicks butt. Unbeatable. Lets hope it will stay so and with the switch I hope it will stay so w/o performance compromises.
Doctor Q said:
When I installed Office XP....i got it
lmao. that's about right. *searches for porn* I'll be back on the boards tomorrow arguing x86 vs PPC again, then search for more pr0n.hulugu said:
Doctor Q said:
The page that has the "test drive" is just that.A typical crippled-overbloated-barely usable 30 day trial offer.Then when ya want to buy it you dont get all of it..
<edit> crap it's not even a real dvd or cd or download
From their FAQ :
Is the Microsoft Office System a single offering? Is there a box that includes the entire Microsoft Office System?
A.
No. The Microsoft Office System is a portfolio of products and services that provide the building blocks to build solutions to business needs. Those building blocks, many of which are familiar products such as Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003, Microsoft Office Visio® 2003, and other programs, will continue to be available separately, along with newer additions such as Microsoft Office InfoPath™ 2003 and Microsoft Office OneNote™ 2003.
To find retail pricing and upgrade information for Microsoft Office System programs, servers, and services, visit the Microsoft Office System products licensing and pricing page.
From THAT page
http://www.microsoft.com/office/editions/howtobuy/default.mspx
Read what one gets with each edition..
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Sorry bout the off-topic banter sysops..
We now return you to your regularily scheduled program...
Peace said:The page that has the "test drive" is just that.A typical crippled-overbloated-barely usable 30 day trial offer.Then when ya want to buy it you dont get all of it..
<edit> crap it's not even a real dvd or cd or download
We now return you to your regularily scheduled program...
I have bought numerous versions of MS Office both Mac and PC versions over the past 15 years for a fairly large business and as best as I can remember Front Page has never been included with any office suite. It has always been a separate purchase.
I think Silicon Addict has been standing too close to his Pentium 4 cooling fan again.
The two websites disagreeing matches the product perfectly.Doctor Q said:
This little microsoft went to market, this little microsoft did not. The second one is of course more respectableDoctor Q said:
Pseudo-confirmation of new iBooks January?
I got this from digg:
http://www.kinston.com/SiteProcesso...lates/Details.cfm&StoryID=32967&Section=Local
I wonder what it means?
I got this from digg:
http://www.kinston.com/SiteProcesso...lates/Details.cfm&StoryID=32967&Section=Local
I wonder what it means?