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Originally posted by morlium
a 900MHz G3 with 32MB RAM, a combo drive and a five-hour battery for $1299 is about as good as it gets.

...and you're not going to find everything that the 17" PowerBook offers for much less than $3,500.

Actually when you consider the 12" Powerbook runs $1,799, this is a great laptop for $500 less!
 
i think its a decent update. the maxed out 12 inch is around 1600...and incredible deal for that laptop. i paid over 2000 for my maxed out ibook. shows you that laptop prices have been dropping a lot.
 
The biggest advantage to the new iBooks is probably the larger hard drive moreso than the CPU speed increase. The extra 10 MB is pretty nice and the ability to add on another 20 MB for a paltry $50 is just super.
 
Originally posted by Hmm
The biggest advantage to the new iBooks is probably the larger hard drive

I think this was always a BTO option atleast since the nov 6 revision they only real thing that changed was the standard size included on the 1299 model from 30 to 40. I think you could have order a 60gb if you wanted one.
 
Originally posted by melchior
the 12" PB is not too small. it's too BIG!

Oh melchior, what wise words you speak! The iBook/500 I have now brought Apple one step closer to a true subnotebook. The 12-inch PowerBook takes another step in the right direction. Maybe we'll see that 3lbs sub-PowerBook one of these years. And who knows, the "communicating device" announced on the front page might work as a subnotebook.

In any case, I'd still much rather use a 4.6lbs PowerBook with Mac OS X than any sub-3lbs subnotebook running Windows. Two extra pounds are one kind of burden, running Windows is an entirely different kind, a burden I am not willing to bear. :D

Realistically, I'm saving up for a Rev.B 12-inch PowerBook, which will hopefully feature a 1+Ghz processor, 1+GB RAM, and DVI-out by the end of the summer.

Escher
 
WOW! I don't know if this is education exclusive, but upgrading that 30GB hard drive on the low-end iBook to 60GB is only $72!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :cool: :D

If you are looking at the 128mb and saying, "YUCK!", then go to http://www.pricewatch.com and search for a 512-mb so-dimm...I have seen them go for under $80. I'll take a 100mhz hit just to be able to have a super cheap (with 512mb+60GB HDD) laptop.

The low end ibook looks like a great deal now....might be a good little machine I could tote with me around college.

EDIT: A big con to this machine is that it only has a CD-ROM drive
 
Originally posted by Kwyjibo
I think this was always a BTO option atleast since the nov 6 revision they only real thing that changed was the standard size included on the 1299 model from 30 to 40. I think you could have order a 60gb if you wanted one.

Nope, Kwyjibo. BTO HDD upgrades on the iBook were limited to 40GB (or was it 30GB) before this morning. We welcomed the option to BTO with cheap large HDDs when it was introduced with the 12-inch PowerBook in January and wondered why it didn't come to the iBook. Now the iBook has the same BTO options as the PowerBooks.

I wholeheartedly agree with Hmm, the new inexpensive HDD BTO options add more to the iBook's value than the 100Mhz clock speed increase. The only bump that's even cooler is the doubled VRAM in the bottom-end CD-ROM iBook. If I hadn't just spend $300 to repair the backlight cable in my iBook/500, I'd be all over the new $999 iBook (or even better, a Rev.B 12-inch PowerBook).

Escher
 
Originally posted by morlium
a 900MHz G3 with 32MB RAM, a combo drive and a five-hour battery for $1299 is about as good as it gets.

...and you're not going to find everything that the 17" PowerBook offers for much less than $3,500.

Still, it's only 100MHz and 10GB more than the iBook I bought for the same price over 5 months ago. It would've been nice to get at least one new feature, such as integrated Bluetooth. When I bought my iBook it was really the only game in town when it came to rugged, lightweight laptops with built-in optical drives (most small notebooks omitted the drive). Now I'm seeing notebooks from Sony and others that are 4 lbs. or less and have a built-in combo drive (though granted, their price is competing more with the PowerBook). I think Apple needs to step it up a notch.
 
Re: Re: At last!

Originally posted by cionheart
I can't figure out a reason why Apple should build a 5400rpm drive in the iBooks if even the big 17" Powerbook got an 4200rpm drive (so the iBooks run a little bit cooler because of the G3, but we all know how Apple cuts down the iBook for the PB's). But I have to agree with you, the bottom line iBook now is *very* attractive. If I hadn't a PB 12" yet, I would go with the little iBook (which doesn't mean I am unhappy with my little AL :) ).

-- cionheart

Well you are almost there.

1. The iBook will not threatern the preformance of the Powerbook regardless of HD speed.

2. Secondly the decision NOT to put a 5400rpm drive into the Powerbook has to be one of battery life. With a 17" screen and a G4 processor battery life is going to be an issue unless Apple is very careful about the choice of components.
 
This explains one thing.

In the compusa near my house in San Francisco the iBooks were all $100 cheaper on Saturday. I just figured it was some random sale since they finally finished moving all the mac stuff together in the center to the entrance of the downstairs area.
 
about the iBook good. But what about the store?

The new store design is a mess! There are products everywhere, and suggested products on every product page. I like the simple interfac of the old store better. I mean if I knew nothing about Apple, I think I'd have a hell of a time trying to figure out what I want to buy, and where it is. thoughts?
 
Ok...Two dumb questions:

1.) Is the drive in the iBook a 5400 rpm drive or a 4200rpm drive? Would there be much diffrence speedwise?

2.) On a completely unrelated note, I have a 800mhz 17in FP iMac. We bought it in september. Is the Hard drive in that 5400rpm or 7200rpm? I noticed the new ones have a 7200rpm drive, and I was just curious if this had changed from my iMac.

Thanks!
 
Re: about the iBook good. But what about the store?

Originally posted by GigaWire
The new store design is a mess!

I agree. If today was my first visit to the Apple store online, I probably wouldn't spend too long there. When software boxes get the same screen space as their flagship machines, well... you know something's wrong with the page design. Entirely too cluttered.
 
Re: Re: about the iBook good. But what about the store?

Originally posted by Flowbee
I agree. If today was my first visit to the Apple store online, I probably wouldn't spend too long there. When software boxes get the same screen space as their flagship machines, well... you know something's wrong with the page design. Entirely too cluttered.
off topic a bit, but I think all that software is there just to hold space for future products. If there are as many devices and random things to be announced this year, apple needed a site redesign.
 
Originally posted by Escher
In any case, I'd still much rather use a 4.6lbs PowerBook with Mac OS X than any sub-3lbs subnotebook running Windows. Two extra pounds are one kind of burden, running Windows is an entirely different kind, a burden I am not willing to bear. :D

Realistically, I'm saving up for a Rev.B 12-inch PowerBook, which will hopefully feature a 1+Ghz processor, 1+GB RAM, and DVI-out by the end of the summer.

Me too, Escher, and that's why I got a PowerBook 12". I had a tiny, tiny x86 subnotebook, but I rather like the PB12" because it's a good balance between size, weight, and features. My opinion is that subnotes look good on paper, but few can really appreciate the small screens/keyboards, reduced battery life (unless you want a disproportionately large "high capacity" battery), and poor usability.

It could be faster, though, which is why I'm waiting for the mythical PowerBook 970 15". :) I expect to wait a while.

(By the way, I think 1 GB SO-DIMMs are now available for the PB12", but they're far too expensive to be practical. But I want one.)
 
Originally posted by Sakino
I will just find a win laptop that is probably identical to what the pb and ibooks are putting out for a lot cheaper.


well then i would say jump on it.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Sakino
Personally I feel the update doesn't do ****. It doesn't make me want to go out and buy my first apple. I expected alittle more out of apple on the new ibook line. This is the year of the laptop and apple has yet to prove it. The 17" pb is to big, and the 12" pb is to small for most people. I don't want to buy a 15" pb that is considered out of date when I pick it up.
I really hope apple gets it ass in gear this summer, because if thats not the case I will just find a win laptop that is probably identical to what the pb and ibooks are putting out for a lot cheaper.

If cost is the only factor in your purchase decision, then you'd better just go ahead and buy the wintel laptop.

And good luck to you.
 
Re: about the iBook good. But what about the store?

Originally posted by GigaWire
The new store design is a mess! There are products everywhere, and suggested products on every product page. I like the simple interfac of the old store better. I mean if I knew nothing about Apple, I think I'd have a hell of a time trying to figure out what I want to buy, and where it is. thoughts?


I agree. Total Chaos.
 
CD-R???

Jeez, you got my hopes up when it said CD-R, I was about to leave work and go get one if the CD writeables had gone down to $999. But that's a great deal, I might go get a new one today anyway. . .
 
Sakino-

Go knock yourself out. Go get a Wintel machine for a cheaper price. Why do so many "switcher wannabes" come here, of all places, whine that Apple is too expensive/slow/whatever and "threaten" us that they are gonna go get a PC.

Get a machine you want, considering all the specs. If the $$$ is the only thing you are concerned with, go get a Dell. Some of you make it seem like Apple has an obligation to potential switchers. You are never going to get an Al 15" with 970 with 8 hour battery, bluetooth and 100 GB HD for $1,000, which is what you guys seem to be expecting at times.
 
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