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gekko513 said:
Just for the record ... I think this iBook upgrade is great!! With the small extra price cut we got in Norway, you can get an iBook with 512MB RAM, 1.2GHz and Airport E for less than the price of an iBook with 256MB RAM, 1.0GHz without AE a week ago.

yeah especially for those planning the ibook purchase for early 2005 ...i hope the prices stay this way and specs will improve further untill then... ;)
 
All you people bitching about core image let me set it straight as someone that is running 10.4 on an ibook.

you do not get any ripple crap or any of the fancy effects shown off.

i have seen this on a friends g5 and you do get the fancy crap, all this scaleability BS is BS.

as for needing 64MB vram the vram has nothing to do with it.

the 128MB geforce 4 ti is not a core image card

the 12" 1GHz powerbook's 32MB 5200 is a core image card.

for core image you need one of the following cards:

ATI Radeon 9800 XT
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
ATI Radeon 9600 XT
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
NVIDIA GeForceFX Go 5200
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra

aka you need a directX 9 card.

it's the gpu features not the cards vram.
 
Yvan256 said:
The "previous" (i.e., a week ago) iBooks already had 512KB L2 Cache. The*only* difference in this update is CPU/cache speed and built-in AE instead of optionnal. Oh, and 100$US price drop.

Yes but we weren't talking about the previous ibook, but the 800s. They had only 256k. The original poster was lamenting the new ibook was 50% faster than his 800 (2 previous) and to console him, I was pointing out that it was actually a bit faster than even 50%. ;)
 
New iBook question

Hey guys and Girls, I'm new to this Mac business and was just wondering how I would be able to put a DVD movie on the hard drive so that I may watch it on my travels and I do travel allot. Also I think it would use less battery power and thus last longer. The 12" iBook seems to be the ideal thing for me and durable. :)
 
yeah i have an airport card but i dont have airport at home just at school and on hotspots which are abundent on oxford street
 
Yuh said:
Okay, where's the price drop in Australia? It's still $1695 for the 12" ibook...

Try clicking the iBooks in the store. The stores front-page still shows the old prices in Norway, but the new prices come up when you click it.
 
Raziel said:
Hey guys and Girls, I'm new to this Mac business and was just wondering how I would be able to put a DVD movie on the hard drive so that I may watch it on my travels and I do travel allot. Also I think it would use less battery power and thus last longer. The 12" iBook seems to be the ideal thing for me and durable. :)

Search Google for "mac DVD rippers". Simple :D
 
Crap.

I recently talked a friend into buying an iBook with AP which she ordered on the 5th October and took delivery on the 14th.

She is going to be royally pissed that the priced has just dropped £100 for an identical but faster system.

I've heard various rumours about Apple policy for returning systems bought just before an update - can anyone tell me for sure how this works and how to go about it in the UK?

Also isn't there something in UK law about this?

Advice appreciated.
 
Skiniftz said:
I recently talked a friend into buying an iBook with AP which she ordered on the 5th October and took delivery on the 14th.

She is going to be royally pissed that the priced has just dropped £100 for an identical but faster system.

I've heard various rumours about Apple policy for returning systems bought just before an update - can anyone tell me for sure how this works and how to go about it in the UK?

Also isn't there something in UK law about this?

Advice appreciated.

If she hasn't opened the iBook box she might get all her money back with or without a restocking fee (depends on merchant).

If she already opened the box there are very few options to consider. A trade-in might be one of them. :)

Its only been 14 days you might have some luck with trading it in with the new model or getting some extra £'s back. :D
 
deputy_doofy said:
I agree with you 1000000%. Computers constantly get better. The new low ends eventually (and, by eventually, I mean 6 months :)) become far better than the old top of the line machines.

I paid $1500 for an iMac G3 400MHz DV SE. YOU, today, can buy a bottom of the barrell iBook for cheaper and destroy what my old computer could do.

Excellent point. I paid about the same for the same machine in late 1999. It was a great machine, lasted 5 years and even then I didn't feel the NEED to upgrade. I was running Panther on it and the only thing I wish I could have done was use an iSight - not a thing to upgrade for though when you can still do photos, iTunes, email, internet, .Mac.. etc.

I just happened to be able to upgrade to my new computer, now mom is happily a "switcher" for free and is ready to buy her first new Mac!

I'm a fan of just about everything Apple does - yeah, the boggle my mind sometimes with some decisions but this iBook is such a deal that I'm ready to buy one even though I don't need it!

I can't wait to hear the specs on the new PowerBooks. :D
 
I voted negative on this. Why? These are very marginal updates. The best iBook still only matches the 12" PB, which means Apple only has to boost the specifications of the PowerBook line oh-so-marginally to keep them ahead of iBooks. Remember, when the eMac was introduced in April, it superceded the specifications of the iMac in a couple important categories- more L2 cache, better optical drive, and most importantly, undercut the iMac 17" and 20" by $700 and $1100, respectively (I think my numbers are correct). If Apple had released a 12" iBook with the 1.5 GHz G4, GeForce 5200 Ultra with 64 MB, 167 MHz bus, and 40 gig HD, I'd be drooling over what Apple was planning on for the near future (next week or the week after). Right now, Apple can boost the PowerBooks to 1.5 and 1.67 GHz, call it a day, and people will still buy because they're still faster than iBooks.

This mediocre update only means that PowerBooks are also only getting a mediocre update, meaning Freescale, for all their splash, have yet to produce anything worthwhile.

Of course, I might just be bitter because I am just watching the resale value of my Rev A 12" PB drop like a stone with each successive iBook release.
 
aliasfox said:
Of course, I might just be bitter because I am just watching the resale value of my Rev A 12" PB drop like a stone with each successive iBook release.

I know how you feel. :(

Well I just might buy an iBook in the future since it has the cost and performance bit. And have the my PB as a supporter to import the audio since it has the port for it.

PB resale value seems to drop more than an iBook resale value. :(
 
Hector said:
the 12" 1GHz powerbook's 32MB 5200 is a core image card.

<snip>

it's the gpu features not the cards vram.
So my 12" PowerBook will run CoreImage - I had originally thought so but then all this talk of 64MB VRAM but me off. I guess my PowerBook will have the most scaled down version of CoreImage that's possible - worst graphics card on the list and limited VRAM.

And my brother's new iBook will not have any CoreImage effects whatsoever. (Not that it really matters to be honest :rolleyes: )
 
Ensoniq said:
Well as usual, Apple takes what could have been a perfect upgrade, and intentionally cripples it for no reason.

The two changes that were needed:

1 - 12" iBook should have been a 40 GB drive, instead of 30. On the custom build page of the Apple Store, HD sizes are 30/60/80. Where did the 40 go? Unless there is a supply problem on the 40, the 40 should have been the base size.

There is a shortage of 40GB laptop HD's. My iBook's 40 Gigger took a dump 2 months ago and I waited for about 3 weeks and still nothing so I told them to put a 60 Gigger in. And you know what? I can't believe I ever had a 40 GB HD. I love having all the extra room for Scratch Disk on my iBook.

I think the updates are quite nice today on all products, including the low end PowerMac G5. I need to buy 2 new PowerMacs next year for work and I just found them with today's Single 1.8Ghz G5's. They are perfect to replace our aging G4 Power Macs which already have 2 year old 20" CRTs attached to them. And I know that I can beat the piss out of them for 3-5 years with upgrades.

Now for myself at home, I think I would rather buy the 20" iMac G5 for the "bang for your buck" value. I would need a new moniter at home if I bought the low end G5 PM which adds an extra cost. So the iMac is probably the perfect choice for "prosumers" and the new 1.8Ghz Single G5 PM is perfect for studios and agencies.

EVERYONE WINS WITH APPLE!
 
m a y a said:
I know how you feel. :(

Well I just might buy an iBook in the future since it has the cost and performance bit. And have the my PB as a supporter to import the audio since it has the port for it.

PB resale value seems to drop more than an iBook resale value. :(

ah well, there isn't much you can do. just pretend that the updates never happened! lol! Thats what I try to do, you spend alot of money and a year later the thing you bought is 2/3rds the computer that they are currently selling!

The way i see it is that you still have a computer that does what you need, plus it looks really cool!

And those are the most important things! There are much more important things to do/worry about than how up to date your computer is. Don't let it get you down. It just makes your next upgrade in a couple of years time so much better!
 
neutrino23 said:
1995
Powerbook 5300ce
117MHz PPC 603e
32MB RAM 16kB cache 33.3MHz system bus
1.1GB HD
1.44 MB floppy disk (google this if you don't know what it is)
NO graphics card. 1MB graphics memory
640 x 480 active matrix color display
6.2 pounds
$6,800

2004
iBook 12" 1.2 Ghz G4
512K L2 Cache
256 MB Ram
30 GB Hard Drive
Combo Drive
Airport Extreme
$999

Actually that Powerbook 5300ce has to have a graphics card. Something has to interface with that 1mb of video ram and draw the picture on the screen
:) .
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
I second that. You r e a l l y need those 60GB... ;)

I'm thinking logic would outweigh my anxiousness.

I'm just going to the Apple Store to buy an iMac G5 for my office tonight and thought it would be super-cool to drop the coin on the iBook while I am there.

If I am going to keep it for a while, I should just wait for the custom build.
 
dongmin said:
In the case of CoreImage, it's different. They ARE touting it as scalable. And there is no minimum spec for it. Of course, we have no idea what Apple mean when they say "scalable." Does it mean that certain features are just turned off or that they're at lower frame rates?
It means that the gratuitous eye candy doesn't show up, but software linked to it still works.

You can kind of compare this to the situation in the past where different models had varying palette sizes. Sure, 32 bits looks better, but 16 bits was passable and even 8-bit displays could squeak by for a long time.

It wasn't that long ago when a one-bit 512 x 342 display was impressive ;)
 
how I would be able to put a DVD movie on the hard drive

DVDBackup

(And yes, it is my understanding that running a hard drive takes much less power than running a DVD drive, so watching a movie from your HD should save your battery.)
 
$899.

i tried to search the thread, and i didn't see that anyone had mentioned the education model. a nude 12" model is available for $899 to students and teachers. it lacks the combo drive and the airport card.
 
Ryan McCanical said:
I don't know about anyone else.. but when I add bluetooth to either of the 14" models, it takes $25 bucks off the price.

Now thats a deal! haha

must be a bug of some kind.. I tried the same on the Finnish site and everything worked fine (if fine means higher price that is).
 
aliasfox said:
I voted negative on this. Why? These are very marginal updates.
But remember that this speed bump/price drop isn't intended to intice someone who just bought an iBook last week into buying a newer one. It's to get someone who's got an 18-24 month old ibook to upgrade. Very few people (much less than 1%) upgrade with "every" update. And those that do, are far more likely in the high-end cutting edge market than the marketed iBook customer.
 
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