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Regardless of who hosts it, you're still at the whim of Apple's security folks. Lots of unassuming targets would now be quite interesting, especially with an "official" version to crack against.

By that logic, you're always at the whim of the vendor's security unless you write all your own software from scratch. Mimcrosoft, Apple, Red Hat, Ubuntu, SuSe, etc. all are the same in that regard. Since almost no one actually does that, it's not really a helpful observation.

However, if the data is hosted on a server I control and own, I can take responsibility for the security policy. It's about control as much as anything else. For example, I can block all devices from connecting or even receiving a response except a whitelist of only my devices' MAC addresses. I like that security policy.

Really though having your own iCloud server is more of a business necessity if Apple is really serious about expanding into the business side of things. Lawyers are now bound by certain ethical rules in many states to keep their digital client files secure and private and to prevent disclosure in all circumstances - most cloud services do not qualify. Doctors are under similar privacy and control requirements under HIPA. Many corporations, while not bound by law, may have policies that prevent the use of outside cloud storage for glod reasons such as protecting trade secrets from being stolen or protecting sensetive data from leaking.

Does Apple really not want these large sectors that are known to spend a lot on to not use their iWork suite or not use their iCloud file sharing system that many third party apps use?

Sure would be nice to host my own iCloud server...
 
I have 1TB on Dropbox, I have 1.235 TB on Google Drive, I have 10TB on OneDrive, I have Amazon Prime (unlimited photo storage), I've used Flickr but don't like their app. Right now I have almost 70k photos on Google Photos at 20GB+ and am currently utilizing the unlimited photo storage. I find Google the best app to share my photos (via link) to my family, etc...

Honestly, I would just prefer to keep everything Apple even though I have tons space with other services. But because I have almost 70k photos with Google it's hard to move from one service to another.

One thing I've noticed, if I take photos with the iPhone on mono, chrome, or other color differences - only Google Photos and iCloud keep the coloring - the other apps (OneDrive, Dropbox, etc) act like nothing happened and save the normal color photo - bugs me to no end.

Sorry for a long post but to summarize.... biggest things I look for in a photo service - easily shared via public links with less than 2 clicks for photos and albums, near unlimited storage for less than $10/mo, ability to not overload my phone with the thousands of pics I take per month (iCloud doesn't easily let me wipe my phone's local storage clean while keeping photos on iCloud Photo Library), and simplicity.

So for now Google has my $ and my photos. But like the above (recent) posters have noticed - I'd rather pay Apple than have my photos stored on an unlimited free site that compresses the crap out of my photos.
 
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If Google can offer a lot more for much less, why can't Apple too?? They have money and resources. Come on.
Because Google makes money by invading your privacy and selling ads based on the contents in that file you don't want anyone to see. Apple makes money by actually charging you for a service.

With Apple, you know where they're making their money. With Google, it's all done undercover.
 
I should get as much cloud storage as my total number of registered Apple devices, including my MacBook, for free, so that everything is always completely backed up. THAT is the seamless Apple experience I expect. If they need to charge more up front per device, fine, but I will never subscribe to subscription model BS for anything, period.
So you don't have cable, satellite, Netflix, etc?
 
I wish Apple would offer an iCloud server as part of the OS X Server package. I would pay for that, I would pay a lot for that.

I like the idea of iCloud, connecting my iPhone to a cloud and having all the photos and documents synched. But I don't want to trust Apple or anyone else to host it for me. I want to host it myself.

I'm sure other corporations would also love that control. Implementing their own iCloud for syncing documents across users, while maintaining complete control of privacy and security.

OS X server lets you host your own calendar server, mail server, file server, update server, web server, etc. iCloud server would use be a nice addition.
You seriously think you can host it more securely than Apple?
 
50GB for less than the cost of 3 Starbucks vent lattes a year... that's something I could recommend to anyone asking for simple device/photo backup of their iPhone.
 
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many good points that I agree with here.

5gb free per account is not enough, at least bump it to 10gb.
If my mom (who doesn't use it extensively) can't backup her iphone because she ran out of space on iCloud, I would argue 5gb is not enough for the average person.

free storage per device.
part of the reason why my mom runs out of space is because she also has an ipad that is backed up. giving only 5gb free per account makes it really hard for the average person to backup via icloud.

i'd pay $12/year for 50gb of storage, but please let us share the 50gb among family, so I can backup my wife & mom's devices along with mine. 50gb is overkill for my mom or wife, but for 3 of us, it would be just about right.
 
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Let's do some cost comparison...

A 1Tb external harddrive will cost, on average, about $60. It does nothing on its own. It doesn't back up your connected devices, it doesn't serve its contents to your many devices. You must provide that functionality. It's also your sole repository; God forbid it fails or is stolen.

By contrast, 1Tb of iCloud server space (a.k.a. iCloud Drive) does all those wonderful things for you and costs the same ($10 per month or $120 per year). But wait, you say, $120 is twice the cost of a typical 1Tb harddrive. Keep in mind, Apple has to make redundant copies of your stored files in the event that the server hosting it fails. Therefore, you are paying for the luxury of 2Tb of server space.
 
Wow, complaint complaint................. I would care less about $.99/50.00/100.00, I just want their darn iCloud to be *faster* like DropBox. It's still slow at uploading :rolleyes:
 
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If they need to charge more for the initial device to cover the costs of this, fine.
Eurm... They already do charge an awful lot of premium for those cheap memory chips.

If these memory chips are so dang priceless for Apple, maybe they could introduce a mail-in rebate program. Send in an old 64GB iphone to get extra iCloud drive space.
 
So, uh, for Canadians with the 200GB plan (like myself) literally nothing changes?

Why do you hate Canada so much Apple? You want our poutine but don't want to give us nice things!

No changes in the Norwegian 200gb plan either. Same price, same 200gb storage.
 
I will keep repeating: every Apple device should come with free iCloud space matching the device size.
iPhone with 128GB should get at least 128GB.
Mac with 3TB should get 3TB.

I should get as much cloud storage as my total number of registered Apple devices, including my MacBook, for free, so that everything is always completely backed up. THAT is the seamless Apple experience I expect. If they need to charge more up front per device, fine, but I will never subscribe to subscription model BS for anything, period.

I don't mind 5 GB free, but it should be 5 GB per device. Thus as I own a Macbook, iPhone and iPad I should get 15 GB free. Maybe even only 5 GB per iOS device (let's face it, 5 GB for a laptop isn't going to backup mutch!) As it stands I'll probably go for 50 GB just to get iPhoto library syncd across my devices.

u have no idea how annoying the free 5 GB plan is. literally everyone in my family keeps bothering me weekly telling me their iPhone is full when in fact it is only their iCloud storage but trying to explain the Cloud to them is just not possible. they should add free storage for every iDevice you own and at least to make sure the backup fits on it!!!

I will keep repeating: every Apple device should come with free iCloud space matching the device size.
iPhone with 128GB should get at least 128GB.
Mac with 3TB should get 3TB.

etc etc etc

I think you're missing the point of the way Apple sees iCloud being used, as "more storage per device" totally flies in the face of cloud-based storage. The whole idea is that you don't need duplicate data for every device - all your music, photos, videos, emails, documents etc are stored in one single instance in your iCloud, so when you buy an additional device your online storage requirements don't change. It doesn't matter how many different devices you have, the amount of non-duplicated data you have remains the same.

I'm not saying that this is the way everyone works, or even wants to work, it's just Apple's vision and therefore the direction they're taking us. But with Apple pushing us to the cloud (iTunes Music, iCloud photos etc) you can hardly expect them to use an iCloud free storage strategy that is totally at odds with that.
 
Prices don't appear to be matching the Support document (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201238) this morning.

In that document it says:
United Kingdom (GBP)
50 GB: £0.79
200 GB: £2.49
1 TB: £6.99

However the prices/tiers have updated overnight and on my iPhone it is showing these options:
20GB: £0.79
200GB: £2.99
1TB: £14.99

I've also checked this on another device that has a different iCloud/Apple ID, and has never paid for storage, and that sees the same three options.
 
Moving in the right direction, but we're not quite there. I think buying devices should come with 1TB for 1-2 years. People constantly updating their tech shouldn't have to pay. People who use their tech 3-4 years should have to pay for storage after a while until they upgrade another device. It would add another to the pro column to get that new iPhone vs wait one more year.

Really, I think 1TB should be free for all but we're far from that, with Apple at least.

Enter the "Nobody will buy my used iPhone anymore because they want the free iCloud storage" and "zOMG I BOUGHT A SECOND HAND IPHONE WHY CANT I GET MORE ICLOUD STORAGE" complainers.
 
I think you're missing the point of the way Apple sees iCloud being used, as "more storage per device" totally flies in the face of cloud-based storage. The whole idea is that you don't need duplicate data for every device - all your music, photos, videos, emails, documents etc are stored in one single instance in your iCloud, so when you buy an additional device your online storage requirements don't change. It doesn't matter how many different devices you have, the amount of non-duplicated data you have remains the same.

I'm not saying that this is the way everyone works, or even wants to work, it's just Apple's vision and therefore the direction they're taking us. But with Apple pushing us to the cloud (iTunes Music, iCloud photos etc) you can hardly expect them to use an iCloud free storage strategy that is totally at odds with that.

This is very incorrect. If it was so you would only see 'Backup' in icloud->manage->backups, but if you have 3 ios devices you also have 3 backups, since you can have different apps on iPad and iPod touch and iPhone.

Have you ever tried to restore an ipad with a backup of you iphone?
 
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That's absurd and would cost apple millions. iCloud backup is an OPTIONAL feature, the most data heavy feature is photos and it makes sense to charge each user just for what they actually NEED instead of giving them 3TB here and 128GB there. Why on earth would they match your device size for every device?? Keep your head in the clouds!

Maybe costing millions is an acceptable loss when you are making billions?

Calling back-up an optional feature is only going to fly for a couple more years. Selling pathetic 8GB devices, and not even offing enough space to back them up is simply cynical and greedy. I know someone with a 5c (pushed into buying it). It was full and nagging her for money within a couple of weeks. It was her first iPhone and because of this she describes it as the worst phone she ever had, and is asking me how she can go back to her Galaxy 2.

And giving someone 1TB of storage when they only need 3GB is not going to cost Apple any extra in the long run. Apple will be paying for the storage actually in use (+a growth buffer) not the sum total of everyone's half-empty plans.

Did you know that storage on AWS (which Apple uses) costs less than 3 cents per GB per month. Apple's free tier is costing them $1.65 per user per YEAR! (transfer in/out will add some onto that, maybe double it). It's as ridiculous as Apple refusing to put $3 of flash storage in a $600 phone because of 'cost'.
 
By contrast, 1Tb of iCloud server space (a.k.a. iCloud Drive) does all those wonderful things for you and costs the same ($10 per month or $120 per year). But wait, you say, $120 is twice the cost of a typical 1Tb harddrive. Keep in mind, Apple has to make redundant copies of your stored files in the event that the server hosting it fails. Therefore, you are paying for the luxury of 2Tb of server space.

Assuming there's only one redundant copy, which I doubt since that leaves data precariously at risk if there should be a natural disaster at a date centre.

On the other hand, they probably wouldn't be paying close to consumer rates for their storage.

I think prices are reasonable to be honest, although as a base i do think 5GB per a device that has been used in the past 12 months would be a good idea for backup purposes. That wouldn't serve me anyway, but it might help family members who own multiple devices have them all backed up.
 
You seriously think you can host it more securely than Apple?

Absolutely. When I host it, Apple can't see it. I consider that already more securely than Apple.

Like I said above, when I host it, I can dictate exactly who (or what device) is allowed to see it and blacklist everyone else. How is that not A LOT more secure than Apple hosting it?
 
The 1TB pricing listed in this article is incirrect. In Canada it is $19.99 per month.
With no features like the competition I find it hard to spend double the money.

How do I get an annual plan?
They don't exist any longer.
 
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