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As someone who used to opt for Fusion Drives for capacity, how do people with experiences of SSDs find the 128gb in this regard?

8gb ram +128gb ssd = borderline unusable for any real work. The ram fills up immediately, which then pages out to the tiny drive, and you're instantly out of drive space and everything falls apart.

8gb + 128gb shouldn't even be sold, really... but of course, it's only sold to entice you to buy the next one up. Classic sweet-spot marketing... sell a model no one wants, so no one will buy it. 128gb is not enough drive for macos.
 
MR was quoting Sonny Dickson, so I have a hard time knocking MR for it, admittedly, but I can think of a lot of ways of cutting out the jargon/corporate speak pretension that makes me feel like I am back in a faceless conference room of PR wonks trying to outdo each other with the new buzzword hotness.

Is this a total nit? Yes. Is it first world linguistic ********tery problems at its best? Yes. I'll gladly admit all those, but there actually is wisdom in considering how subtle language choices impact readability.

New iMac sporting Thin Bezels and iPad Pro Likeness Reportedly Coming at WWDC

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This just feels like the restaurant that is selling me a pizza without sauce at a 50% premium because they're calling it a "flatbread". Then again, pretty much the entire Apple ecosystem and user base (myself included!) validate that behavior at every product update cycle, so I shouldn't really be surprised.

I disagree. It's not even just designers who use this term. It succinctly describes what it is.
So what would be non-jargon for design language?
 
Sounds great, but hopefully they'll have one that is larger than 27" that doesn't break the bank. Screens for general productivity machines have grown a lot.
 
Just hope:

1. SSD upgrade pricing isn’t a giant f-u to customers.

apple just cranked the RAM update on the MBP 13" two port from $100 for 8GB to the more uniform across the product line up $200 for 8GB . Unless Apple changes SSD pricing across the whole line up ... it will probably be abut the same $400/TB pricing. Most likely iMac prices will creep higher just like the Mini prices did. Apple may keep an "educational", non-Retina Mac around (and perhaps won't be quite as kneecapped as it is now. )

What could see in the iMac that it gets the iMac Pro ( and Mac Pro) like NAND blade design so that at least the NAND storage could be replaced if it fails without replacing the whole board. Apple would also get to use the same subcomponent in multiple Mac lines ( more volume ... hence lower unit cost for them. ) . But off the shelf 3rd party upgrades ? No. but repairable is good issue to cover also.


2. Non-soldered and user-upgradable RAM. SSD with T2 will be locked, hence #1 above.

Apple removed the "RAM door" from the 21.5" model years ago and still it is shipping with DIMMs. Soldering DIMMS on an iMac does a whole lot of nothing. It bloats out the logic board space for not much of any material trade off gain. For laptops get better z-height ( "thinner". ). There zero thinness advance to be gained on an iMac. The middle section of the iMac isn't "thin" ( it is only the edges that a 'pruned' thin and the RAM isn't there now and probably not in this future model. )

If Apple tries to thin out the iMac into the iPad Pro like uniformly thin slab then probably should just run away from the device. Soldered or not just a bad idea.

Apple hasn't solder the RAM on any of the recent mainstream desktop models. ( had a small patch off in the weeds for the 2014 Mini but the 2018 put DIMMS back in. ) Not sure why they would start now. Apple hasn't sone any inclination along this line at all in the desktops. Not sure why folks keep bring it up as though it is just around the corner.


3. Emphasize function over form.

Part of the issue with the RAM door is Apple's desire to hide it from plain view behind the pedestal arm of the stand. If just let that go then so-DIMM upgrade on iMac Pro could be done. Ditto the 21.5" iMac. If can't jigger the board layout so the DIMM slots are back there and not trading out fan vent exit space ( again being hidden from plain view by arm-stand. )


4. Lower pricing - this is not the time to bump pricing up.

The HDDs were in the systems only to keep pricing down. Once the HDDs are gone, then pricing is going up.

Apple could get to lower pricing if dropped the cost of something else substantive. (e.g., the CPU+GPU costs came down $100 then a $100 swing up in storage cost would balance out. ). it is a possibility ( e.g., use a AMD solution or get some huge discount from Intel and/or AMD. ) . just not probable if Apple is being relatively risk conservative though.


Pipe dreams all, I know.

The RAM stuff is just made up fears. There is some things Apple is on track for that many folks won't like. But you don't have to make up stuff even they aren't out to do to pile on top.
 
8gb ram +128gb ssd = borderline unusable for any real work. The ram fills up immediately, which then pages out to the tiny drive, and you're instantly out of drive space and everything falls apart.

8gb + 128gb shouldn't even be sold, really... but of course, it's only sold to entice you to buy the next one up. Classic sweet-spot marketing... sell a model no one wants, so no one will buy it. 128gb is not enough drive for macos.
For a desktop, I agree. If Apple does away with physical harddrives on this new iMac, (and they should), the base model will have a low capacity SSD to be able to keep it at $1099... with the added benefit of a $300 upcharge to go from 128GB to 256. (total guess)

I just recently "upgraded" my 2018 21" iMac (w/1TB spinner) to a 1TB external TB3 SSD ($140). BETTER than new! If I need to buy one of these new iMacs, I'd buy the entry level and get the external SSD right at the start.
 
MR was quoting Sonny Dickson, so I have a hard time knocking MR for it, admittedly, but I can think of a lot of ways of cutting out the jargon/corporate speak pretension that makes me feel like I am back in a faceless conference room of PR wonks trying to outdo each other with the new buzzword hotness.

Is this a total nit? Yes. Is it first world linguistic ********tery problems at its best? Yes. I'll gladly admit all those, but there actually is wisdom in considering how subtle language choices impact readability.

New iMac sporting Thin Bezels and iPad Pro Likeness Reportedly Coming at WWDC

New iMac Rendering Takes Hints From iPad Pro, Including Thin Bezels - Reportedly Coming at WWDC


This just feels like the restaurant that is selling me a pizza without sauce at a 50% premium because they're calling it a "flatbread". Then again, pretty much the entire Apple ecosystem and user base (myself included!) validate that behavior at every product update cycle, so I shouldn't really be surprised.

Perhaps you’re over analyzing this. It only sounds pretentious if Jony is narrating this. Just imagine Tim Cook and his southern drawl saying 'design language'...not the same. 😄
 
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anyone else think there was a breakdown in communication somewhere and that the iMac will be taking its cues from the Mac Pro & Pro Display?
 
I would imagine this might last a little longer than the PowerPC switch.

My first guess for ARM-based Macs, definitely the MacBook. A new iMac, but possibly the Mac mini as an entry point? The i3 would be an easy snipe. Higher configuration Macs will probably still run some kind of x86 chipset for next year or two. I can't see the MacBook Pro, iMac Pro and the Mac Pro making the leap to their processors soon. I'm open to surprises.
 
Like I said, it's reasonable to say this is total semantic ********tery...you won't hear me argue that, but it is an interesting use of language (no pun intended) esp in the context of a lot of us who have or do work in large companies and listen to self-important middle managers find the most obtuse ways of saying the most simple stuff (I freed myself from a large company 10 years ago and still loathe hearing those speech patterns in everyday life).

But, yeah, Jony and Tim are a good contrast of where this could and wouldn't work.

I tend to prefer simplicity and clarity over the obtuse. Not that I don't appreciate technical detail, complicated things where they must be complicated, but after a long career as a software engineer, I believe undue complexity (especially in external facing products/interfaces) is a sign the "expert" is not doing it right. Or the developer (usually the new one or the one with something to prove) that writes code that is unnecessarily hard to read but doesn't actually function any better, but is actually less maintainable - but it uses some new cultish language feature (those of you who know Perl know exactly what I am talking about...). I believe the same for spoken and written language.

Perhaps you’re over analyzing this. It only sounds pretentious if Jony is narrating this. Just imagine Tim Cook and his southern drawl saying 'design language'...not the same. 😄
 
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WOW! If this is true I may need to cancel my order! I just ordered an 8 core i9 with the vega 48 card and 3 tb fusion drive. This is tough because my 2013 is dying and I need the new one for video editing.. It's going to take a month to get here though. Should I cancel and wait??

To be honest, I would cancel it anyway - you ordered a great computer with very a capable CPU & GPU, self upgradeable RAM, basically a beefed out iMac - yet still with a fusion drive that will cripple its potential and be a bottleneck to the whole system. Get a 512GB SSD and a 2TB usb3 sata ssd (for editing) for not much more than what you’d pay for the fusiondrive but the performance will be uncomparable.
 
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My IMac 2007 and I are waiting for two years now to see a major upgrade....
Finally!!!!
And from what the number of comments is concerned: the iMac has been neglected far too long...
 
The ARM processor running cooler is the response they will probably give about heat. They may be willing to increase thickness a little but I would bet it will not be significant.

Whether ARM efficiency by itself is really enough I have no idea.

Barely any heat with the iPad pro model, so I think iMacs will be thinner & present more innovation.
 
Ahh here we go! Time for iMac lovers to feast. Now I just have to figure out what to do with my 2019 27”..... Maybe I’ll hold onto it until next year.

Literally the same situation I'm in right now. If they do a full redesign similar to the picture, I'll consider selling it and taking a loss to get the upgrade since I'll hold it for years afterwards. If they increase the screen size to 30 or 32" like the pro display, then I'll DEFINITELY sell and buy the new one.
 
Nobody wants to see you in 4K 😜

Exactly ! When I unbox new macs the first thing I usually do is take out the Apple stickers and cut a leaf out of one, then stick it sideways over the camera so it's the only eye looking back at me :cool:
 
You guys are lucky to have survived the graphics card disaster those models endured - mine included.
Not lucky enough, my 17 inch MacBook Pro suffered the graphics card glitch. I used a hack to default to the Intel graphics but it’s not always reliable.
 
I start to need: a large display and (a) fast GPU(s). So from the available alternatives, this is interesting. Now, the pessimist in me wonders which of these tactics Apple will use to cock this one one:
  • Tell such a good story about ARM that there is no point getting anything x86 now
  • Increase the base price; hey, it's luxury and all that
  • Make it impossible to upgrade RAM & disk yourself and then shaft you with the upgrade prices
  • Make the rest of the upgrades (GPU, CPU, display?) overtly costly
  • Use components that feel too much like the last season
I guess it's bingo time soon, and who knows... this might be good too.
 
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