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New iMac With 'iPad Pro Design Language' and Thin Bezels Reportedly Coming at WWDC
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No, I don’t think so. The Mac Pro is probably a last gasp of effort at serving power users... despite it never being financially available to power users ever again, let alone basic end users who don’t need much to begin with.
The iMac is their basic computer that isn’t a laptop. It’s marketed as a do it all computer, and only a few people know any better (and honestly, if you don’t need to run at 100% CPU & GPU for hours at a time, it doesn’t matter... but some of us do and most Apple fanatics like to pretend we are liars or should be able to afford a $15K computer purchase if we are “real” professionals).
Maybe the iMac Pro will get an update someday, but that will probably just mean it too will be twice as expensive as the last model... but maybe it’ll look more like the Mac Plutocrat display.
Nvidia are clearly worried.
They're going to put a £150 cooler on Ampere. 350 WHAT????!?? (I mean WATT.)
Not so long ago, Radeon were getting panned for higher temps than Nv.!
Let's see how Nv's PR handles this one.
It *looks* like the Ampere 3080 Ti is going to need a £150 cooler and 350 WATTs to beat Big Navi.
Navi? 50% more efficiency than RDNA1.
Draw your own conclusions.
There's blood in the water. Or going to be.
Radeon only has to disrupt the 4k gaming marketing with a full Big Navi (2) stack. With Ray Tracing.
At more rational prices.
The Nv' price gauging is going to be tempered by the new pretender to the throne.
80 CU (Compute Units and about 20 TFlops. And 16 gigs of ram? Or more?) IN that Big Navi?
That's going to hurt. (For a preview...see the Unreal PS5 gaming demo running on RDNA2 hardware...)
Yup. In a PS5 costing £400-500. Expect to see Navi Big running £450, £600 and £900 stack. Nv' will have to cut prices and if they don't the 'rational' buyer will hoover up the gpu sales.
Azrael.
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I hear what you're saying about prices. I'd agree on that.
But I do think the 'new' iMac will bring the tier 1 or 2 iMac Pro performance to cheaper leaves eg. £2k - £3k. More ram and ssd as standard.
I think the 5700XT will be very competitive vs the Vega 56 in value and performance.
I wish they'd offer an affordable Mac Tower. With a sane display. But it looks like those days are past.
Azrael.
I was lucky with my 2015 5k 27" (Apple Certified refurb, purchased in early 2016). It crashed within the first 8 months, and Apple replaced the logic board. No problems since.
Even with this news, I'm still planning on replacing the Fusion Drive with an SSD. That should hold me until late 2021, or whenever Apple releases a revised edition of this new iMac.
I have the exact same machine, pretty much. Last week was the second time I erased the hard drive and installed Mac OS and started over. I was getting constant crashes/reboots over a period of two days. Since then it's been working great. It's my daily driver since working from home for nearly 3 months now.
The ssd's are replaceable on these? I've seen videos but have to muster the courage!
I was also a little timid about doing this "surgery" after watching those videos. But then, my younger brother (who has a hardware repair side-business) told me that it was really "easy", and that he's done it several times.
Still, I think I'll wait until he's in town to assist me.
I never bought gen 1 mac before it hit refurbished store but for some reason I think I will play a game here.
Put my 2019 iMac for sale with about 10% loss and see what happens. If it sells I will order a new one if they show up on 22nd and if it doesn't then no issue.
Only thing I worry is if it sells and there's no new iMac on the 22nd LOL. I will be stuck with my 16" for unforeseeable future.
Put my 2019 iMac for sale with about 10% loss and see what happens. If it sells I will order a new one if they show up on 22nd and if it doesn't then no issue.
Only thing I worry is if it sells and there's no new iMac on the 22nd LOL. I will be stuck with my 16" for unforeseeable future.
Thank you @Azrael9. Very helpful.
So my hypothesis of new iMac graphics performance would therefore be:
So my hypothesis of new iMac graphics performance would therefore be:
- lower end iMac / lower end Navi gpu options: big advance at the price point and performance near to high end amd gpus of this generation - I.e. similar progress to that attained in the last iMac 27” refresh
- higher end iMac / gpu options: highly competitive performance that is at least comparable with higher end Nvidia for video editing / FX. Maybe not for gaming, but who knows.
- if there’s a 32” screen how much gpu performance will be soaked up by driving g the screen, and how much will be left for applications to use?
Especially if you’re also driving an external 4K screen? (Fairly common use case for video editors and definitively something I’d want to do.) I guess the fact the 13” MBP can drive a XDR screen with the intel 10G processor integrated graphics is probably a positive indicator for this. - will thermals be upgraded enough to let these machines get the most from their silicon?
will the iMac Pro be competitive? Can this graphics power come in a package below the $5k level? Does the iMac Pro get the 32” screen and top end Navi at $5k? - will entry level iMacs just come with Intel 10g graphics and 24” screens? If so that’s a pretty compelling product...
Decent summative post.
I would say. The 'new' iMac is just the beginning of it's coming of age.
As for your 'high end' iMac thoughts. ie. Will there much much left over for apps. Yes. If the current 5k res' stays. If it goes to 6k, ofc some of that will be soaked up. But the 5700XT is an able performer and will do better than we think.
That said. My next thought with this 'high end' iMac Pro at £5k is.
THIS 'new' iMac is the perfect machine to eGPU the Big Navi to as an external GPU.
That way. You'll have a great BTO RDNA1 inside.
But a 'won't melt the computer' Big Navi on the outside.
If the iMac runs at £2.5k for an 8 core and 5700XT (and you have the 16 gigs of ram and 512 gig ssd as standard...)
Then a GPU caddy for a couple of hundred and a disruptive 6700XT for £450 in there as well. You could have a kick az machine for around...
£3150 inc VAT.
That's a lot cheaper than any iMac Pro. And make mincemeat out of any gpu intensive apps. 3d modelling. GPU rendering...video preview windows...etc.
Azrael.
PS. CPU and GPU the iPad A12x is no slouch. I don't see the A14x having any problems in that department. Full revealed the A14 x and the Mac ARM transition isn't yet. Just putting any 12 core A14x in any Macbook is going to be transformative. The doors will be blown off.
Hooefully they will improve the thermals on the new iMac, like they did on the iMac Pro’s.
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It’s good, but the base is still the old style. The new iMacs won’t have the old base.
It appeared on my 2017 about a month ago. both bottom corners.
You can get started on that hackintosh. Apple doesn’t do touch displays for MacOS devices.
Well now this is some very welcome news! I bought my 2015 iMac for less than $250 and it’s been tiding me over but I’ve been holding out for the redesign for quite some time. I cannot wait for this unveiling!
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...actually, it's a hopeful sign that maybe, just maybe, Apple have learned from the mistakes they made with the 2016 MacBook Pro, the Mac Pro Trashcan and it's replacement, the introduction of FCPX,
Namely: when you want to make a "courageous" change that will require some customers to re-think their workflow, don't force that change on people prematurely by letting the old models get hopelessly out of date or deleting them.
The iMac hasn't seen a design update since - what - 2012? Everything else is reasonably up-to-date (barring maybe a CPU update or spec bump) so (assuming the ARM rumours are true) if you've been waiting for a new iMac but aren't quite ready to go ARM you'll have a chance to get an up-to-date Intel one. NB: the rumours suggest that there won't be any consumer ARM products until next year.
The switch to ARM needn't be the extinction-level-event that the pessimists and Intel worshippers are predicting - but there will be bumps in the road and (just like the previous transitions) there will be casualties. Boot Camp and x86 windows VMs will cease to exist as we know them - alternatives will doubtless arise but they will be running the ARM versions of Windows/Linux and/or using emulation rather than "native" virtualisation to run x86 code. Apple will doubtless do their best to get the major apps running ASAP - but don't expect your complete range of plug-ins and obscure drivers to be there on day one.
...also, the first ARM Macs are most likely to be ultra-portables, where ARM promises Air/12" MB-sized machines with MBP-level performance to speed up your browser tabs (which will mitigate any performance hit from some apps running in x86 emulation) - the 5k iMac will be further down the list as it needs Apple to come up with a desktop-class A-series chip, and will be more dependent on things like Adobe CS and a zillion Logic plug-ins to be native. Also, they can't obsolete the Xeon Mac Pro for another 3 years or so and retain any credibility in the "serious pro" sector.
It's not the point. Neither has a Mac mini. I would buy a new mini if it had a better GPU, therefore I also have an eye on hackintosh as a Mac Pro is way to expensive.
I am not the typical customer for an iMac as I move quite a lot with my gear to places where I already have monitors.
But as a Photographer an iMac with pencil support would make me buy it.
Well, they don't do them until they start doing them.
The competition (windows) mostly now offers touch screens as soon as you go to a 4k-class display, so it is becoming a tick-list feature that makes Apple look bad on spec sheets. Then there's iOS development (you can't really test a touch interface without a touchscreen).
...also, ARM-based Macs could easily offer the ability to run iOS/iPadOS apps if the machine had a touchscreen.
Frankly, Apple are really lucky that Microsoft seem lukewarm about promoting things like the Surface Studio (...a gorgeous concept messed up by outdated specs and ridiculous prices that make iMacs look like bleeding-edge bargains)
I would love that iMac with a digitiser or Apple Pencil support. To me. It seems like a natural thing to do for the Mac creative market.
In the way Apple hinted at with the iLamp...(I always thought drawing support would come after...)...but M$ really did with the Surface Desktop.
I think Apple (at least until Mac ARM) are saying it's iMac with iPad as sidecar support. I think that's as close as we're going to get even though I'd love a Surface Studio style iMac.
As for a Mac Mini with dGPU!? YES PLEASE!
I guess you could plug a 16 inch 4k Wacom Pro (£1600 I think...) into a Mac Mini? (How big does your drawing experience have to be?)
Or a 24 inch Wacom? (4k res'. And about £2k? That and a £1099 Mini would set you back about £3.1k?)
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Good post. I wish I had written it.
('They don't do them until they start doing them.' Apple didn't do bigger phones...until they realised they were leaving billions on the table...)
Azrael.
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Apple insider have an article on Apple filing model information with the Eurasian Economic Commission.
Apple's filing contains 9 iPhone model numbers and "The second entry concerns (a) personal computer of the Apple brand A2330 (macOS software version 10.15) and spare parts for it."
Could this mean only one model of iMac arriving at WWDC? There were rumours of an affordable 23 inch iMac coming. I'm wondering if Apple would introduce a 23 inch with Intel in June and leave the 27 update till next year with ARM. But then the 27 inch on Apple is showing delivery after 26th, which might suggest an update.
Apple's filing contains 9 iPhone model numbers and "The second entry concerns (a) personal computer of the Apple brand A2330 (macOS software version 10.15) and spare parts for it."
Could this mean only one model of iMac arriving at WWDC? There were rumours of an affordable 23 inch iMac coming. I'm wondering if Apple would introduce a 23 inch with Intel in June and leave the 27 update till next year with ARM. But then the 27 inch on Apple is showing delivery after 26th, which might suggest an update.
There's a whole bunch of things that Apple have said that they would never do, and then did.