Real HDR with DRM supported by all streaming platforms would be a massive add on for me though I'm certain this is we will not see for a very long time.
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Real HDR with DRM supported by all streaming platforms would be a massive add on for me though I'm certain this is we will not see for a very long time.
As much as i'd like the new 16 inch macbook pro (now they finally fixed the keyboard) or the new imac (now they finally brought it up to date) i'm feeling concerned about the direction apple are heading. I use a music software and many plugins developed by third party companies and that could lead to a long transition period of things not working which i'm not prepared to put up with. Also if Apple is planning on switching the whole lineup to ARM buying any of the current machines are going to be rendered obsolete in the near future. Seems like a lose lose situation.
1.) Funny that the "updated" iMac with "new" design language is (at least in this rendering but also probably IRL) visually indistinguasiible from the LCD CinemaDisplay that was first unveiled in 2008. In about 7 years, the iMac went from a revolutionary all-in-one CRT to a revolutionary sunflower base, to a revolutionary hinged LCD, to a sleek all aluminum version. And aside from losing weight, it's looked pretty much exactly the same ever since. I wish people — most pointedly Apple — would stop teasing the same endlessly recycled idea as a "redesign". This is just the same tired stuff and, if you're an Apple fan who came up during the company's renaissance, it's about as depressing as it is welcome.
2.) Re: iMac Pro, inasmuch as it was undoubtedly a stopgap for the updated Mac Pro, the base price of that machine remains an extremely heavy lift for many users. The iMP clocks in at $1500 less, so remains positioned between between the standard iM and MP. Unless Apple is going to roll the iMP's features into the standard line as build-to-order options (or introduce a lower-tiered MP, which seems doubtful,) it makes some sense to keep the iMP around for those pros who require something in that price range.
2.) Re: iMac Pro, inasmuch as it was undoubtedly a stopgap for the updated Mac Pro, the base price of that machine remains an extremely heavy lift for many users. The iMP clocks in at $1500 less, so remains positioned between between the standard iM and MP. Unless Apple is going to roll the iMP's features into the standard line as build-to-order options (or introduce a lower-tiered MP, which seems doubtful,) it makes some sense to keep the iMP around for those pros who require something in that price range.
Be interesting to see if the iMac Pro then slowly but surely slips further into the nothing.. chance of touch screen appearing on this?
I have a 2010 iMac but the internal fusion drive is dying. I just hope it lasts 2 weeks so I can get a new one.
I don't have it yet...Buying it possibly soon, depending on what they reveal. My worry is it won't be great for Logic with 3rd party for about 6+ months after release which will potentially be 2021..........
If release is 2021, I'm just getting the current 2019 27".
To me it’s just sterile. That’s the best way I can describe it.
Well, there are flaws in its design inherent (perhaps?) to an AiO.
It's a design I think they could improve internally (see cooling on iMac Pro...)
...to allow desktop components to run at 'most' of their performance. Engineering is about trade offs. But Apple have let the iMac sit for 8, 10, 12 years.
Components getting faster (incrementally....) but the heatsink has stayed the same and the cooling system doesn't seem to have kept pace with this. IN short, if you push the iMac. Wind tunnel sounds. And the thermals cook the system shortening the life of the components. This is 2020. There are sound cooling systems out there. Efficiency and cooling are important now. Even I'm away of these things now...having been previously dismissive. But being on the receiving end of an iMac's GPU that fried playing an 'old 2004' game....I'm burned 1st hand.
The ergonomics of the screen adjustability leave a lot to be desired compared to the iconic iLamp design.
The 'plastic' cog that 'gives' after a certain amount of adjustments and the use of 'sticky' tape to hold the screen in place tells us something about the product and the Supply Chain 'Engineer' who has presided over this design.
So if you say, 'Sterile'. I can see where you're coming from. Some may say that about Ive's Apple designs overall.
We did have the 'colour' iMacs era. I do miss it. Fun. Lively. Exciting and so full of life.
But along the way, Apple 'grew' up. And 'grown ups' can get stuck in a rut. And that's what iStale looks like.
When you've perfected the 'clinical' minamilism where to you go from there?
And I see antidotes to that in the Mac Pro (despite it's ludicrous price...) design and the XDR. In stead of evolved grater design...I see a spiritual reboot.
Fortunately, it looks like the next iMac will be cast in this 'shake the bag' image.
Striking design. 'Most' of the performance you'd expect from a desktop. Innovatively cooled.
At a price that's harking back to the iMac's roots as the kick az comptuer for 'the rest of us.'
Azrael.
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The chances of touch screen 'Macs' come with Mac ARM.
This allows Apple to transition to ARM. The giant catalogue of iPad (touch) software to be ported via Marzipan so it doesn't suffer the dearth of Windows 'RT' software syndrome.
Apple's touch screen Mac won't suffer the same fate. Apple have a different strategy and can point to M$ in terms of how 'NOT' to do it.
Touch screen Mac? 2021. Maybe.
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Darth Tulhu
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My wild guess:
Touch on a Mac will NEVER happen. The Mac OS is simply not designed for touch.
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Apple ALREADY has one (or two) OS that IS designed for touch from the ground up: iPadOS.
So, a "Mac" that has "touch" won't be a Mac at all.
What I'd love to see is an "iDesk": basically a 27" desktop iPad a la Surface Studio that you can use a Pencil on.
I also hope that Apple will continue to add features to iPadOS to get it to where WE choose what OS is a better fit for what we want to do. And perhaps add Pencil support for their (gigantic) trackpads.
There is no reason for macOS to go away OR get touch features. It just needs to become less "iPad-y" and more "Pro", more stable, and faster.
Apple's trackpads are so good that this is all the touch you need on a Mac.
On a PC, touch SUCKS. HARD. But having multiple ways to touch when one inevitably fails is convenient, especially for simple, one-tap things. On my work PC, I turn that sh off and use a mouse. ALWAYS.
I'd rather have the best multitouch in existence.
Touch on a Mac will NEVER happen. The Mac OS is simply not designed for touch.
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Apple ALREADY has one (or two) OS that IS designed for touch from the ground up: iPadOS.
So, a "Mac" that has "touch" won't be a Mac at all.
What I'd love to see is an "iDesk": basically a 27" desktop iPad a la Surface Studio that you can use a Pencil on.
I also hope that Apple will continue to add features to iPadOS to get it to where WE choose what OS is a better fit for what we want to do. And perhaps add Pencil support for their (gigantic) trackpads.
There is no reason for macOS to go away OR get touch features. It just needs to become less "iPad-y" and more "Pro", more stable, and faster.
Apple's trackpads are so good that this is all the touch you need on a Mac.
On a PC, touch SUCKS. HARD. But having multiple ways to touch when one inevitably fails is convenient, especially for simple, one-tap things. On my work PC, I turn that sh off and use a mouse. ALWAYS.
I'd rather have the best multitouch in existence.
Those revolutions were more about casing design than anything else, and all from an age when PCs were becoming ubiquitous in every house. These days most domestic PCs have been replaced by smart phones and games consoles. The ones that remain are working machines where "revolutionary" casing is much less of a differentiator then how well the machine actually works.
We can't say Touch on a 'Mac' will never happen. (We have the 'touch strip' on the Macbook...we have the track pad...they're 'touch.') Perhaps it 'won't' happen in terms of the traditional 'Mac' market mouse and keyboard pre: Mac 'ARM.'
So 'Touch' like it is on the Surface line?
There's a good chance it 'will' happen on a Mac 'ARM' device that may be a new device inbetween the 'Mac' and the 'iPad.' Something Surface inspired, 'maybe.'
Re: your iDesk idea. I really like that. So you get a 27 inch 'iPad' (basically, desktop iOS...which we haven't really seen yet...) which you can use an Apple pencil on. I'd buy that. Which you can basically have with a 24 inch Wacom Pro and any Mac. And use 'touch' and/or pen input on the Mac OS interface. I've penned my way around the Mac OS interface. It's not difficult. Maybe Apple will re-tool Mac OS's interface to finger sizes elements so that a 'touch' based 'surface' device can be created on Mac 'ARM.'
Mouse and Keyboard where added to iPad.
No reason why 'touch' can't be added to 'Mac' ARM.
Ultimately, it's just a screen. A large screen could get 'gorilla' arm...but not if it adopts an easel adjustible design like Surface Desktop (which is what iOS desktop or a Mac ARM 'desktop' could be.)
Most of the devices Apple sells are touch. And that's the Mac line which isn't 'ARM' yet.
Semantic. A 'Mac' is an iPad, an iPhone, an Apple Watch...etc. They're all Macs with smaller screens. Moving from PPC to Intel didn't make it any less a Mac. But I feel going to 'ARM' with custom Apple cpu/gpu will make it more Mac as they can synergise their own tech'.
The underlying tech' is 'Mac.' The 'surface' api semantics are don't make it any less 'Mac' to me.
I'm looking forward to any Mac ARM announcement and 'how' Apple are going to make it happen. I don't see it being that fundamentally different to last time in terms of transition. But they have a bigger customer base, stores, a huge app store, X-Code, a captive audience of developers, their own cpu etc to make it all happen. When their is clear daylight on performance, battery life and form factor to buy Intel based laptops...they'll pull the trigger. 16 million laptops will save them a billion or two over being Intel customers.
Azrael.
Nah it's definitely not a stock issue - never in the last 5 years have all 3 base model 27" iMacs been out of stock at the same time (and conviently stock listed as arriving AFTER the WWDC keynote) all the signs have been pointing for last month or so to the updates - it's the that happens with every machine. Apart from the newly released 13-inch MacBook Pro there's been no problems with base level Macs throughput the pandemic.
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A touch screen is never coming to macOS end of, the chip is irrelevant.
Darth Tulhu
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My wild guess was just that. A guess.
For starters, the Touchbar doesn’t count. It’s a separate screen designed for touch.
But hey, Apple could surprise us with Mac touch. The question is why would they? This would be a waste of resources in my opinion. I think giving the touch-based OS more Mac-like features is a better use of said resources than trying to shoehorn touch to an interface not designed for it. This is why Windows touch sucks orbs.
And Apple is already doing this with iPadOS. They already “shoehorned” a cursor to an OS designed for touch instead of the converse.
I believe convergence will come from the iPad side, not the Mac side, nor will they move to the middle simultaneously. They could, as in take what they learn from iPadOS and bring it “back to the Mac” ( remember that?), but I don’t think so.
Again, wild guesses. But it is fun to speculate and then see if we were right.
All that said, I can’t wait for the next few WWDCs.
The 'Touch bar' does count. It's 'touch.' (Pityful and expensive attempt to put 'touch' on the Mac.) They just weren't ready to do a Surface Studio Desktop and M$ were. (Regardless of whether M$ designed their products for 'touch' from the get go.)
Apple have already surprised us with 'Touch'. It's in most of what they sell. When 'Mac' is on 'ARM' that opens up a 'touch' option to come to a 'Mac' device we haven't seen yet...but are hinted at with iPad Pro and 'z' keyboard stand.
Sooner or later iOS desktop is going to be a thing, even if it's under the guise of Mac ARM with bigger screens that we might see with iPad.
They already have a 'Surface' like product in iPad. With the more gracious design premise of being 'touch' from the ground up.
Yes. The iPad is steathily converging on Mac turf with each iteration. It's got it's own Pad OS now...keyboard...mouse support...and the iPad Pro 12.9 now has it's own filesystem and a bigger screen than the initial iPads as it takes on more demanding apps....and it even has it's own stylus...which the Mac doesn't have.
To me. iPhone? iPad? It is a Mac. It runs the same underlying tech'. Just with smaller screens.
Quite happy for Apple to offer bigger iPads. And whither 'deskstop' iOS?
If I had a 24 inch iPad, I probably wouldn't use an iMac.
Aye. Fun to speculate. I can't wait to see Mac 'ARM' unloaded for Dev's at WWDC and they reveal the road map ahead for commercial products in 2021.
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The Mac ARM chip will prove to be far from irrelevant.
It increased the likelihood of adding 'touch' to what will be the 'Mac' going forwards.
Fully expect a new 'Mac' class of device to include touch in terms of the 'Surface' style of device. But designed from the ground up for that synergy.
Azrael.
It's funny to see all this speculation. But then what happens when we come back to earth and reality? The fact is, we don't know anything at all about what the new iMac will be like (and I'm generously assuming that a new iMac will be announced on 06/22 in the first place!).
I still cannot get over how pitiful the new iPad Pros were - this after waiting for them for so long, and speculation going absolutely wild. What we got was something so puny, it was hard to believe - virtually nothing wrt. the processor, some lame LiDar camera that's only relevant to apps which have almost no practical uses in real life out there... and that's pretty much it! Unbelievable after all this speculation, and more importantly after such a long wait!
This is what I keep thinking when I look at all the speculation about the new iMacs - what if it's just a "barely-there" bump in a few specs? Apple is fully capable of doing that - just look at the new iPad Pros!
My situation is that I have a late 2009 27" top of the line iMac that I purchased in the beginning of 2010. So it's at this point an almost 11 year technology. It no longer takes new MacOS updates - I'm on the highest it will take, which is High Sierra 10.13.6
It still works, more or less. But it's slowly on the way out - I try not to shut it down, because it takes increasingly heroic measures to start it up again. It seems to overheat pretty much all the time, with fans going strong - so I shut it down last night. This morning, I couldn't get it started up until I disconnected all external stuff like hard drives, keyboard and so on, and also - this is the final measure - until I actually unplugged it from the outlet. I plugged it back in, and this time it finally started up. Whew! Close call. I live in fear that one day it simply won't start up, so I try to not to shut down.
The other thing is that it has a spinning hard drive, and I'm pretty sick of those.
So I'm definitely in the market for a new iMac - but nothing has inspired me so far. Other than the SDD, I see almost no reason to update based on the technology or design. I get that the screen is better, but my screen is OK for my purposes. And really what else?
What I'd love is for the new iMac to get a re-design, thinner bezels, less of a chin - so the various mocksups out there look enticing. I'm also one of those folks Apple fans love to hate - in that I actually LIKE when the computer is thinner and lighter... sorry! I don't get those complaints about "obsessed with thinness". Look, given how the iMac is used - i.e. you need to manually move it around, OF COURSE it being thinner and lighter is a boon. My iMac is HEAVY - and I like to move it around, because I use it as a TV screen when I watch movies and I need to turn it around, so light is very important to me.
That said, I'd like for the new iMac to run cooler. The overheating and the fan noise are a total turn off. I realize that making it thinner makes thermal solutions harder, but hey, that's the whole point of innovative technology, we want to eat our cake and have it too.
I'd like for the SSD to be standard across the lineup, and not just an expensive option - I'd love for the 1TB SDD to be a reasonable price, because that's what I think is a kind of minimum. Connectivity is important to me - I have 12 external HDDs connected to my iMac right now and will connect them to the new iMac.
I'd like for the 16GB RAM to be standard across the line (and not to cost an arm and a leg).
Better camera would be nice - it's embarrasing that my iPad Air 3 has a better camera than my iMac, but OK, my iPad is from 2019 and the iMac is a 2009 model, so I'm hoping that there's been progress since then.
Mostly, I'm worried that we'll be given some very lame update that makes me want to hang on to my ancient computer just because I'd feel like a fool shelling out $3K for old technology that's barely an improvement over what I have right now. We'll see - 06/22 is only a week away!
I still cannot get over how pitiful the new iPad Pros were - this after waiting for them for so long, and speculation going absolutely wild. What we got was something so puny, it was hard to believe - virtually nothing wrt. the processor, some lame LiDar camera that's only relevant to apps which have almost no practical uses in real life out there... and that's pretty much it! Unbelievable after all this speculation, and more importantly after such a long wait!
This is what I keep thinking when I look at all the speculation about the new iMacs - what if it's just a "barely-there" bump in a few specs? Apple is fully capable of doing that - just look at the new iPad Pros!
My situation is that I have a late 2009 27" top of the line iMac that I purchased in the beginning of 2010. So it's at this point an almost 11 year technology. It no longer takes new MacOS updates - I'm on the highest it will take, which is High Sierra 10.13.6
It still works, more or less. But it's slowly on the way out - I try not to shut it down, because it takes increasingly heroic measures to start it up again. It seems to overheat pretty much all the time, with fans going strong - so I shut it down last night. This morning, I couldn't get it started up until I disconnected all external stuff like hard drives, keyboard and so on, and also - this is the final measure - until I actually unplugged it from the outlet. I plugged it back in, and this time it finally started up. Whew! Close call. I live in fear that one day it simply won't start up, so I try to not to shut down.
The other thing is that it has a spinning hard drive, and I'm pretty sick of those.
So I'm definitely in the market for a new iMac - but nothing has inspired me so far. Other than the SDD, I see almost no reason to update based on the technology or design. I get that the screen is better, but my screen is OK for my purposes. And really what else?
What I'd love is for the new iMac to get a re-design, thinner bezels, less of a chin - so the various mocksups out there look enticing. I'm also one of those folks Apple fans love to hate - in that I actually LIKE when the computer is thinner and lighter... sorry! I don't get those complaints about "obsessed with thinness". Look, given how the iMac is used - i.e. you need to manually move it around, OF COURSE it being thinner and lighter is a boon. My iMac is HEAVY - and I like to move it around, because I use it as a TV screen when I watch movies and I need to turn it around, so light is very important to me.
That said, I'd like for the new iMac to run cooler. The overheating and the fan noise are a total turn off. I realize that making it thinner makes thermal solutions harder, but hey, that's the whole point of innovative technology, we want to eat our cake and have it too.
I'd like for the SSD to be standard across the lineup, and not just an expensive option - I'd love for the 1TB SDD to be a reasonable price, because that's what I think is a kind of minimum. Connectivity is important to me - I have 12 external HDDs connected to my iMac right now and will connect them to the new iMac.
I'd like for the 16GB RAM to be standard across the line (and not to cost an arm and a leg).
Better camera would be nice - it's embarrasing that my iPad Air 3 has a better camera than my iMac, but OK, my iPad is from 2019 and the iMac is a 2009 model, so I'm hoping that there's been progress since then.
Mostly, I'm worried that we'll be given some very lame update that makes me want to hang on to my ancient computer just because I'd feel like a fool shelling out $3K for old technology that's barely an improvement over what I have right now. We'll see - 06/22 is only a week away!
The software is key - not the chip. Again it's totally irrelevant to if macOS uses touch - absolutely no chance macOS ever uses touch, how many times do you guys need to be told iPadOS/iOS is the touch OS.
Everyone knows that software is key. That's why people use Macs. And iOS Macs (the ones that have 'touch.')
iOS. It's just a 'core' Mac with touch api on top.
Intel Mac. Won't get the touch. However...
The Mac ARM will allow a 'Mac' with touch. Highly likely Apple will have some sort of 'surface' product. The iPad and it's 'z' stand is already this hybrid product...even though it's somewhat clunky around the edges with the addition of keyboard and mouse ('pointer') support.
'No chance.' That's been said alot about Apple in the past. Including about them ever having their own cpus.
Azrael.
I have a 2010 iMac 27", which I like a lot, but now I want more. More processing power for my heavy Logic sessions. Plus I want a bigger screen. The 27" looked so big to me at first. But now I use 3x24" monitors at work, and my PC at home has 30" and 24" monitors.
A wide 30" is much more usable than the squarish 27", and they are quite affordable these days. I know I could just use the 30" with the iMac, but I want it to be the primary monitor. I wish Apple would sell bigger iMacs, or even better, the iMac CPU as a box or a tower. I know, then it's not an iMac. But then I could get that plus 3 decent (non-Apple) 30" monitors and it would probably cost less than the current iMacs.
Oh well, I guess we'll see in a few days.
A wide 30" is much more usable than the squarish 27", and they are quite affordable these days. I know I could just use the 30" with the iMac, but I want it to be the primary monitor. I wish Apple would sell bigger iMacs, or even better, the iMac CPU as a box or a tower. I know, then it's not an iMac. But then I could get that plus 3 decent (non-Apple) 30" monitors and it would probably cost less than the current iMacs.
Oh well, I guess we'll see in a few days.
Would this new iMac be a good replacement for my 2006 17" iMac? I think I might finally upgrade!