New iMac With 'iPad Pro Design Language' and Thin Bezels Reportedly Coming at WWDC

[Azrael9]

Well, drawing on it vertically wouldn't be a very enjoyable experience. (Painting however... easel-style, with a paintbrush-like stylus would be very, very intriguing, albeit as niche as it gets and very much a pipe dream of mine). But if there was an accompanying VESA mount/stand that could swivel it into a flat or angled position....... yes please!

Most artist easels are about vertical and people draw and paint standing up.

They draw on the sofa. At drawing desks. On paper. Using pencils. Using Apple Pencil. On iPads.

or Wacoms.

People hold their pencils in different ways. Those g'damn artists being so individual.

People do things in different ways. Especially in art. It's like the Artofsutra.

I'll give M$ some props for their Surface Desktop. What did the Mac get? Oh. A touch strip on teh Macbook that year...

Still, we have the iPad 12.9 inch...with Pencil. A wonder in its own right.

A paint brush style stylish. I think there have been attempts in that area...and maybe one day that will get better. They've only just mastered 'pencil' drawing with the Apple Pencil. I never thought I'd see it done that good...

If you're after painting Apps. Procreate on the iPad is terrific. Rebelle on the Mac is a worthy 'water colour' contender. Lovely.

Azrael.
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So no more Fusion drives in new iMac.

OK...so my iMac has about 3TB of data on it. I doubt a 4-5 TB SSD will be affordable so what would be the process to migrate my current machine to the new one using a much larger external drive for most everything except applications and that sort of important stuff which would still reside on the boot drive? A link might be helpful if somebody has one that outlines the procedure!

1TB drives are very affordable now. And quite fast.

And 2TB ones reasonable.

If you have a lot of data that just needs 'stored' get a huge external hard drive as back up.

You can just have all these drives as external lego bricks.

Just keep the OS on the boot drive.

But the programs on an external SSD.

And just add the 'data' drives as you need them.

Rather than a 'do or die' one big fat drive approach.

And you can store you're hard drives like you do books. Need one? Take it. Plug it in...etc.

That way, keeps your boot drive fresh. You know where you're programs are. And you're data is managed on external volumes on a 'need to use' basis.

Azrael.

 

[Lone Deranger]

Most artist easels are about vertical and people draw and paint standing up.

They draw on the sofa. At drawing desks. On paper. Using pencils. Using Apple Pencil. On iPads.

or Wacoms.

People hold their pencils in different ways. Those g'damn artists being so individual.

People do things in different ways. Especially in art. It's like the Artofsutra.

I'll give M$ some props for their Surface Desktop. What did the Mac get? Oh. A touch strip on teh Macbook that year...

Still, we have the iPad 12.9 inch...with Pencil. A wonder in its own right.

A paint brush style stylish. I think there have been attempts in that area...and maybe one day that will get better. They've only just mastered 'pencil' drawing with the Apple Pencil. I never thought I'd see it done that good...

If you're after painting Apps. Procreate on the iPad is terrific. Rebelle on the Mac is a worthy 'water colour' contender. Lovely.

Azrael.

I remember seeing an artist using a home-made brush on his iPad. It was a long time ago (1st gen, I believe), and he had his iPad up on his easel and was doing portraiture from life. It was very inspiring to see.

Anyway, I'd be happy with a 32" iMac with Apple Pencil support. Apple really nailed the iPad Pro+Pencil combo and the 3rd party devs are providing some excellent painting software. The 12.9 form factor is just too small for my preferred canvas size. I'm too old to be hunched over a small screen for extended periods of time. 😂

 

[Steven Shepherd]

I literally *JUST* bought the iMac 2019 on June 4th. Debating returning it and getting the new one.

 

[Azrael9]

I remember seeing an artist using a home-made brush on his iPad. It was a long time ago (1st gen, I believe), and he had his iPad up on his easel and was doing portraiture from life. It was very inspiring to see.

Anyway, I'd be happy with a 32" iMac with Apple Pencil support. Apple really nailed the iPad Pro+Pencil combo and the 3rd party devs are providing some excellent painting software. The 12.9 form factor is just too small for my preferred canvas size. I'm too old to be hunched over a small screen for extended periods of time. 😂

Yup. Apple nailed Wacom to the cross with the astonishing Apple Pencil and iPad. Almost imperceptible latency and zero parallax.

And an iPad A12z that can be had for about half the price of a 16 inch Wacom Pro.

I'm with you on the iPad's canvas size. 12.9 is still too pokey. I'd be wanting 16 inches at least. Hopefully we have a larger iPad incoming... The rennaissance on painting software on iPad is remarkable. Adobe who? (But I note they're on the iPad gravy train....)

32 inch iMac with Apple Pencil support? 'AROOGA!!!'

Azrael.
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I literally *JUST* bought the iMac 2019 on June 4th. Debating returning it and getting the new one.

You never did? Really? Return it...jeeze.

At least wait 13 days to see the new iMac. It will save you a ton of bucks and get you better performance.

Win. Win.

Azrael.

 

[Dave245]

I wonder how the iMac and any other hardware is going to be announced at WWDC, will Apple hold a keynote and have it's presenters still talk, but to an empty room (maybe the Steve Jobs Theatre) or will they do something different. It's going to be interesting to see how Apple do this.

 

[Azrael9]

I wonder how the iMac and any other hardware is going to be announced at WWDC, will Apple hold a keynote and have it's presenters still talk, but to an empty room (maybe the Steve Jobs Theatre) or will they do something different. It's going to be interesting to see how Apple do this.

Socially distanced Apple employees in the Steve Jobs theatre. Quite befitting a sexy new iMac.

Don't need the media. They were never Apple's biggest fans, historically speaking. They really had their feeding frenzy during the 'dark years' and well into Steve Job's return.

The unveiling? As soon as they get to the Mac after iOS (and all the updates...etc.)

Maybe with Uncle Phil to do the 'reveal.'

Azrael.

 

[LiveM]

Finally. Always hated the current iMac design.

 

[Dave245]

Socially distanced Apple employees in the Steve Jobs theatre. Quite befitting a sexy new iMac.

Don't need the media. They were never Apple's biggest fans, historically speaking. They really had their feeding frenzy during the 'dark years' and well into Steve Job's return.

The unveiling? As soon as they get to the Mac after iOS (and all the updates...etc.)

Maybe with Uncle Phil to do the 'reveal.'

Azrael.

That would be cool. I really hope this iMac redesign is happening at WWDC, if the rumours/leaks are wrong, this will be so disappointing!!

 

[Azrael9]

Finally. Always hated the current iMac design.

It has its faults.

What in particular did you dislike about it? Curious.

Azrael.

 

[g.a.papavasileiou]

Guessing a lot of potential buyers will be interesting in a new iMac but will hold back because of the looming ARM transition. Going to be a tough sell if it's the last Intel desktop.

That exactly is my point as well. I need a new iMac and i am getting pretty confused with those new rumors.

 

[Grohowiak]

That exactly is my point as well. I need a new iMac and i am getting pretty confused with those new rumors.

I'm certain we will get at least a initial road map of the transition during WWDC
I mean why would you get arm equipped machine now when there are no apps for it?
Anybody that does it is either a dev or a hardcore guinea pig the way I see it.

 

[BamaGuy]

JUST TAKE MY CREDIT CARD (the one from Apple, with 3% cash back) NOW! THIS is what I have been waiting for with a 2014 iMac going strong still, but wishing for an upgrade.

I hope this is not just a rumor!

 

[Populus]

I wonder where the t3 chip is at.

Maybe the T3 chip is the only processor of the new generation of ARM based macs... The T1 was an encryption chip for the fingerprint scanner, then the T2 handled a lot more functions like the encryption of the SSD and some audio-video encoding and decoding, right? Maybe the T3 is the rumored new ARM SoC for macs. I know it sounds crazy, but it sounds crazier to me to have a main ARM SoC and a separate ARM T2, when they can all be part of a single piece of silicon: The T3 SoC.

 

[Azrael9]

I'm certain we will get at least a initial road map of the transition during WWDC
I mean why would you get arm equipped machine now when there are no apps for it?
Anybody that does it is either a dev or a hardcore guinea pig the way I see it.

Developer kit hardware 'this' year to...prepare...

...the Software for...

Hardware next year.

Azrael.

 

[dysamoria]

Really hope the new design eliminates the dust under the screen issue on the current design.

FFS. I didn’t know that was an issue again.

 

[Grohowiak]

Developer kit hardware 'this' year to...prepare...

...the Software for...

Hardware next year.

Azrael.

So you think apple will dump intel within a year?

 

[dysamoria]

Do you think it will have a new design of keyboard and mouse? I would love a black wireless keyboard with a Touchbar

I’m getting some experience with a Touch Bar on my girlfriend’s new MacBook Pro 13”... it’s definitely a bad idea in ergonomics, usability, and is basically still a solution looking for a problem. It’s not horrific, but it’s definitely a downgrade for average usage. Every critique I’ve seen about it is dead on.

 

[Kjs100]

9 to 5 Mac

"...the first Macs shipping with non-Intel CPUs are not expected until 2021 and will most likely be some kind of MacBook Air-esque form factor laptop.

Nevertheless, assuming this report is accurate, the iMac will just barely get its ARM coprocessor in time, before Macs start going all-in on ARM for all computation...".

Coprocessor? What would this mean if correct?

 

[dysamoria]

If Apple want to transition OSX over to ARM I don’t see why they don’t just build both Intel and ARM into the first few generations of machines to enable 100% backwards compatibility?

I’ve been thinking this from day one. They won’t do it, though. I’m still wondering why they want to do this move at all because no ARM configuration will be as brute force powerful as an unthrottled Intel config... but then, we need to be plutocrats to afford an unthrottled MAC these days...
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Looks promising but 3 questions we need to ask:

Soldered SSD?

Soldered RAM?

Noise?

Thermal throttling?
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So you buy this Imac let’s say around December and then in just 6-12 months they release the ARM Imac that is 10x faster than this none? It looks like the actual feelings of the iphone11 buyers facing the iphone12 release.

An ARM machine won’t be ten times faster than an Intel machine.

 

[Azrael9]

That exactly is my point as well. I need a new iMac and i am getting pretty confused with those new rumors.

Any Intel iMac with RDNA1 will last you a good while. Decent performer, more so than the current one gpu wise, ssd wise...and maybe cpu wise.

It will last way past this transition and onto the next upgrade that will bury it.

This last 'intel' iMac is going to date . No doubt.

RDNA2. 12 core Mac ARM. Software. Mac OS updates over the next couple of years.

All things that will age it real quick.

Azrael.

So you think apple will dump intel within a year?

Yes. (Legacy OS support for about 5. Tops.)

Azrael.

 

[dysamoria]

You guys are lucky to have survived the graphics card disaster those models endured - mine included.

Lovely. I’ve got that model too. I specifically avoid running games and 3D modeling/rendering software on it because that’s what killed my MacBook Pro 3,1. I’ve sworn never to buy another compact machine... and saved money for ten years for a new Mac Pro (I’m poor), only for Apple to release one that’s TWICE as expensive as the prior (failed) model at base price.

Apple lost the plot ages ago, for power users.
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My prediction: after it comes out everyone will be complaining how it's too thin and too good looking and that a desktop should be for SERIOUS WORK and it needs to be thicker, have bigger bezels, bigger speakers, more powerful fans, upgradeable RAM, etc etc.

I hope they go ARM instead of another i5 laptop processor to keep the heat manageable.

Because it WILL be too thin. It’ll be yet another Apple computer that can’t run at 100% CPU & GPU without throttling. That’s all they’ll sell us, unless we happen to be plutocrats.

 

[Azrael9]

but then, we need to be plutocrats to afford an unthrottled MAC these days...
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Yeahhhh.

Check out the Mac Pro (outdated Mac Pro...) for £6k.

£1200 a year over 5 years. A £1200 PC Tower can equal or best it in performance and at 1/6th of the price.

Give me a Mac 'G3' style tower at £1150, £1450, £1750, £2250. With BTO options.

But really, SoCs. AiOs seem to be the future after all? Eg. Chiplet tech' from AMD has overhauled Intel.

And I can see the many cores eg. 12 core on Mac ARM unshackled of clock will surprise many.

It's paradigm. We're due a shift. Intel and AMD and even the GPU makers have hit a wall they're only just coming out of.

And that means more cores rather than the brute force of old. Pound for pound the A12x makes the i7 and a low end Radeon GPU seem archaic.

Azrael.

 

[dysamoria]

The reason I usually end up buying new Apple products, for the looks. People don’t believe it, but it’s true for me and so many others. We like beautiful things. Hopefully they work well, also. LOL.

I’m happy for you that you’re so privileged.
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I disagree. It's not even just designers who use this term. It succinctly describes what it is.
So what would be non-jargon for design language?

Design. Motif. Looks.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

It has its faults.

What in particular did you dislike about it? Curious.

Azrael.

The main thing I don't like about the current design is the inability to adjust the height. The screen is simply too high to be ergonomic with my setup. You're supposed to sit with the top of the screen at eye level. But I always found myself looking up at the screen, even with my chair as high as it could go without hitting my desk.

Unfortunately I don't expect this to change. I'll be surprised if there is height adjustment.

 

[Azrael9]

Cool, but why waste a redesign with the old Intel processor, especially when you are revealing the transition to a whole new architecture (ARM)? Doesn't make any sense.

I am planning to get the new iMac but now i am confused.
Thoughts?

Ah. But why not? Apple have got to sell iMacs in this next year.

Why 'waste' time redesigning the Mac Pro (as they did) in the knowledge that they're going to bury it performance wise with the A16x in 2022? Knowing that 40k Mac pro buyers will 'lose' that progressive investment ie. They get '5' years tops out of it. 8k a year over 5 years.

Because Apple want to sell you legacy machines TODAY.

And they'll happily make them obsolete for you and pile on the pressure to make you upgrade to the ARM ones.

The answer is simple. The iMac needs a new design. Just as Apple needed a Mac Tower (so they say...)

You think the 'new' iMac design is fancy?

Apple will make that design obsolete with an iPad thin iMac Air in 2022...rocking that A16x.

Azrael.
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The main thing I don't like about the current design is the inability to adjust the height. The screen is simply too high to be ergonomic with my setup. You're supposed to sit with the top of the screen at eye level. But I always found myself looking up at the screen, even with my chair as high as it could go without hitting my desk.

Unfortunately I don't expect this to change. I'll be surprised if there is height adjustment.

Yep. You got them nailed there.

It was the big thing lost from the iLamp iMac which had terrific adjust on it. A massive back step from that.

Azrael.