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Re: Re: my guessing
Looks good besides 1GHz... I can't see that happening. PowerMac sales suck enough as it is...
Looks good besides 1GHz... I can't see that happening. PowerMac sales suck enough as it is...
Re: Re: Re: my guessing
No crap PowerMac sales suck. I'm looking for a new desktop and there is no way I'm buying a PowerMac. The way I see it I have two options. If I give in and submit to immediate gratification I will buy the new iMacs when they are released if they include Bluetooth & 802.11g. If I am patient, and/or if Bluetooth & 802.11g are not included with the iMac updates, I will wait until there is a 970 based PowerMac. No way I am going to buy a PowerMac as is because they are overpriced and outdated.
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Looks good besides 1GHz... I can't see that happening. PowerMac sales suck enough as it is...
No crap PowerMac sales suck. I'm looking for a new desktop and there is no way I'm buying a PowerMac. The way I see it I have two options. If I give in and submit to immediate gratification I will buy the new iMacs when they are released if they include Bluetooth & 802.11g. If I am patient, and/or if Bluetooth & 802.11g are not included with the iMac updates, I will wait until there is a 970 based PowerMac. No way I am going to buy a PowerMac as is because they are overpriced and outdated.
Re: my guessing
I think it's pretty safe to say that the iMac updates will have bluetooth and Airport Extreme. The max speed (and this is wishful thinking) on these updates will be 1.25 ghz - nothing impressive whatsoever, so stuff like BT and AE need to be there to make the update look semi-worthwhile.
Even then, that's not enough, so I would expect (fake) DDR RAM and a better graphics card. Firewire 800? maybe.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the iMac updates will have bluetooth and Airport Extreme. The max speed (and this is wishful thinking) on these updates will be 1.25 ghz - nothing impressive whatsoever, so stuff like BT and AE need to be there to make the update look semi-worthwhile.
Even then, that's not enough, so I would expect (fake) DDR RAM and a better graphics card. Firewire 800? maybe.
Hardware/Software Announcements
While it might not make sense from an engineering perspective to delay an Apple software announcement to coincide with a hardware announcement (prompting theorists on this board to muse about what could "really" be up) -- such a decision would be absolutely understandable from a PR point-of-view, particularly if the delays we're talking about are just a few days or weeks.
Public relations initiatives cost money, and that's why announcements are almost always grouped together by just about every company looking for an efficient PR bang for its buck.
If there were some unresolved issue with production or even documentation pertaining to a new iMac upgrade or a new iLife software component, it would make sense to get all the ducks in a row first, allowing for a more impactful product announcement second.
-- Bob
Former Engineer turned Media Guy
While it might not make sense from an engineering perspective to delay an Apple software announcement to coincide with a hardware announcement (prompting theorists on this board to muse about what could "really" be up) -- such a decision would be absolutely understandable from a PR point-of-view, particularly if the delays we're talking about are just a few days or weeks.
Public relations initiatives cost money, and that's why announcements are almost always grouped together by just about every company looking for an efficient PR bang for its buck.
If there were some unresolved issue with production or even documentation pertaining to a new iMac upgrade or a new iLife software component, it would make sense to get all the ducks in a row first, allowing for a more impactful product announcement second.
-- Bob
Former Engineer turned Media Guy
You GHz fools
Those of you saying that iMacs and PowerMacs are too slow will not be satisfied until you use an Intel or AMD processor. The Mac platform has always used a different architecture to Windows boxes and this makes GHz comparisons between different processors nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Macs use PPC processors that are more efficient than x86 processors. This is why an x86 processor needs to have the highest GHz rating regardless of heat issues (which explains why only Apple could manufacture fanless iMacs & Cubes). If GHz is all that matters to you go spend (waste?) your money on a PeeCee. The fact remains that only Apple sells computers like the iMac, iBook, Powerbook and the PowerMac.
Those of you saying that iMacs and PowerMacs are too slow will not be satisfied until you use an Intel or AMD processor. The Mac platform has always used a different architecture to Windows boxes and this makes GHz comparisons between different processors nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Macs use PPC processors that are more efficient than x86 processors. This is why an x86 processor needs to have the highest GHz rating regardless of heat issues (which explains why only Apple could manufacture fanless iMacs & Cubes). If GHz is all that matters to you go spend (waste?) your money on a PeeCee. The fact remains that only Apple sells computers like the iMac, iBook, Powerbook and the PowerMac.
Re: Re: Re: Re: my guessing
I'm in the same boat. I've decided to buy the new iMac when it comes out. I've got to upgrade very soon and would love to buy a tower but...1) why buy a computer that (probably) won't be upgradeable with the 970 technology and 2) don't know when it will be exactly be released? So I'll buy a new iMac and probably (hopefully) buy a 970 AlBook in a year or two.
I'm not expecting a major jump in speed though it would be nice to have. I think we'll mainly see new hardware (FW2, APEx, BT, etc) and hopefully iLife added too if it's not delayed agian.
I'm in the same boat. I've decided to buy the new iMac when it comes out. I've got to upgrade very soon and would love to buy a tower but...1) why buy a computer that (probably) won't be upgradeable with the 970 technology and 2) don't know when it will be exactly be released? So I'll buy a new iMac and probably (hopefully) buy a 970 AlBook in a year or two.
I'm not expecting a major jump in speed though it would be nice to have. I think we'll mainly see new hardware (FW2, APEx, BT, etc) and hopefully iLife added too if it's not delayed agian.
Re: Re: Doesn't make any sense...
Those shiny little disks make great targets! And they shatter so nicely when you hit one....
Nah - SKEETS!!
Those shiny little disks make great targets! And they shatter so nicely when you hit one....
I think we will definitly see 1 Ghz... remember when the new slot loading DV SE iMacs came out? They had the 400 Mhz G3s in them, which b4 was only heard of in the Yosemite Towers, which at that point were just ceaseing production at that point.... so, not the same case scenrio, but maybe?
I also would expect a new Keyboard and mouse design... at this point, correct me if I'm wrong, but its been three years with these Pro devices? It would make sense... they would be bluetooth enabled. And of course the new iMacs will have Airport eXtreme... Apple would never release a new computer with old technology, lol, I mean, at least technology they are pushing. And oh yeah, I think Firewire 800 will be there as a poor excuse for no USB 2.0.
Sound about right to you? Speed bumps, mild updates?
I also would expect a new Keyboard and mouse design... at this point, correct me if I'm wrong, but its been three years with these Pro devices? It would make sense... they would be bluetooth enabled. And of course the new iMacs will have Airport eXtreme... Apple would never release a new computer with old technology, lol, I mean, at least technology they are pushing. And oh yeah, I think Firewire 800 will be there as a poor excuse for no USB 2.0.
Sound about right to you? Speed bumps, mild updates?
Re: You GHz fools
I don't think anyone here is comparing x86 to PPC MHz. We are anxious for speed bumps or a new chip (970) that will put the PPC back in the race. It's time we get a faster machine: faster bus speed, faster ram, faster cpu. The 166 Mhz will allow the cpu to top out at 1.33GHz (8x) to 1.66 GHz (10x), 1.25 GHz is only 7.5x ... alot of room for improvement. True DDR ram sounds good, when we get it. The sum of the parts of a Mac need to be faster than the sum of the parts of a PC.
I don't think anyone here is comparing x86 to PPC MHz. We are anxious for speed bumps or a new chip (970) that will put the PPC back in the race. It's time we get a faster machine: faster bus speed, faster ram, faster cpu. The 166 Mhz will allow the cpu to top out at 1.33GHz (8x) to 1.66 GHz (10x), 1.25 GHz is only 7.5x ... alot of room for improvement. True DDR ram sounds good, when we get it. The sum of the parts of a Mac need to be faster than the sum of the parts of a PC.
If only your wagon had easy access to us as it does in your part of the woods. In Australia for example subscriptions with ADSL modems have single digit GB restrictions per month so fast Net is something different to us here. OS X is obviously running in its best on a fast network and with local content, such as the maps offered to American users of Sherlock
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possibility of a 15.4" screen for low end imacs?
any chance apple will use the 15.4" powerbook screen for that 15" imac???
the way i see it, if they wanna continue the widescreen thing throughout their line up, it would be the only way to go, and cost effective as well seeing as apple has to have it for the powerbooks already.
and it would offer a better resolution at 1280x? right?
that would be sweet, especially at $1199
any chance apple will use the 15.4" powerbook screen for that 15" imac???
the way i see it, if they wanna continue the widescreen thing throughout their line up, it would be the only way to go, and cost effective as well seeing as apple has to have it for the powerbooks already.
and it would offer a better resolution at 1280x? right?
that would be sweet, especially at $1199
Over a year and only $100 price cut?
My gripe on the iMacs is this - how can they have these machines out for over a year now and only have a $100 price drop in them?? This really seems ridiculous to me. The specs on the high-end 15" are pretty laughable too - GeForce 2 MX?? - no wonder the 17" is the top seller.
I think apple's prices on their laptop lines are fairly competitive, but damn, they don't really do much for you with the iMacs.
$100 price drop over a year is a joke, especially for the hardware in the iMac which was already so-so when it first debuted.
My gripe on the iMacs is this - how can they have these machines out for over a year now and only have a $100 price drop in them?? This really seems ridiculous to me. The specs on the high-end 15" are pretty laughable too - GeForce 2 MX?? - no wonder the 17" is the top seller.
I think apple's prices on their laptop lines are fairly competitive, but damn, they don't really do much for you with the iMacs.
$100 price drop over a year is a joke, especially for the hardware in the iMac which was already so-so when it first debuted.
Consumerism not so mighty during war
So-so does not get you a cover-story on Time Magazine. The iMacs like all of Apple's best is years ahead of the other 95% in the computer industry. As for the slow upgrades, this is not a good time for retail spending and Apple has little incentive to release new products early if no one is rushing to buy.
So-so does not get you a cover-story on Time Magazine. The iMacs like all of Apple's best is years ahead of the other 95% in the computer industry. As for the slow upgrades, this is not a good time for retail spending and Apple has little incentive to release new products early if no one is rushing to buy.
I'm still confused about the 10.2.4 release thingy. I saw my friend's brand new PowerBook running 10.2.4. I guess it's out already?
She bought it in Tokyo on January 12th. It came with 10.2.4 pre-installed... No, I was not drunk when I saw that! I tried to install 10.2.3 update for her. The OS refused to accept it. Checked profile, and it said 10.2.4.
Weird.
She bought it in Tokyo on January 12th. It came with 10.2.4 pre-installed... No, I was not drunk when I saw that! I tried to install 10.2.3 update for her. The OS refused to accept it. Checked profile, and it said 10.2.4.
Weird.
iMac competition?
NEC is selling the Valuestar FS. It's only being sold in Japan and Russia right now, but it's sure to make it's way to the US. It only has a 1.7Ghz Celeron but it has a TV Tuner, USB, and Firewire. The 17" widescreen LCD contains center, left, and right speakers.
PC hardware will compete with the iMac but there will still be no integrated PC equivalent to iMac and iLife. Even at a significantly lower price, I think I'm going to support Apple on this one. If they can get to 1GHz, maybe, maybe 933MHz with a better video card, more RAM, AE, FW800, and BT with a meaningful price drop ($200 drop for top model) I'll still buy into the iMac.
The sooner the better. I'm tired of waiting on Wintel to get at cool as the Mac and I'll pay a little extra.
Hurry up Apple, while the choice is still an easy one.
NEC is selling the Valuestar FS. It's only being sold in Japan and Russia right now, but it's sure to make it's way to the US. It only has a 1.7Ghz Celeron but it has a TV Tuner, USB, and Firewire. The 17" widescreen LCD contains center, left, and right speakers.
PC hardware will compete with the iMac but there will still be no integrated PC equivalent to iMac and iLife. Even at a significantly lower price, I think I'm going to support Apple on this one. If they can get to 1GHz, maybe, maybe 933MHz with a better video card, more RAM, AE, FW800, and BT with a meaningful price drop ($200 drop for top model) I'll still buy into the iMac.
The sooner the better. I'm tired of waiting on Wintel to get at cool as the Mac and I'll pay a little extra.
Hurry up Apple, while the choice is still an easy one.
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