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Re: Re: Re: You GHz fools

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Must agree their software rocks but hardware is allways behind lets hope they will correct some of this in 2003 forget cpu's we all know about that with motorolas lil bumps----- look at bus speed --- 100mhz come on-------no ddr ram come on------Thank god for iapps,OSX, and cool looking machines!

The G4 towers hae DDR ram. It just doesn't do much.
 
iLife a distraction?!

Isn't it a bit cynical to look at iLife and see a distraction from "the speed problem" as you call it? I bought a dual G4 Quicksilver at the end of 2001 and it still makes for a fast and reliable video workstation. In that time your PC would have propably become corrupted by virus, hardware reliability and general compatibility issues that hardly exist on the Mac. The software titles from Apple are not a distraction but proof of the benefits in building the computer and the operating system under the same roof.
 
I suspect the reason for the delay is the new apps require 10.2.4, and they're waiting to release 10.2.4.

A 19" iMac would require a larger base, since it would be too top-heavy with the current base.
 
Re: iLife a distraction?!

Originally posted by Sol
Isn't it a bit cynical to look at iLife and see a distraction from "the speed problem" as you call it? I bought a dual G4 Quicksilver at the end of 2001 and it still makes for a fast and reliable video workstation. In that time your PC would have propably become corrupted by virus, hardware reliability and general compatibility issues that hardly exist on the Mac. The software titles from Apple are not a distraction but proof of the benefits in building the computer and the operating system under the same roof.


Apple's software is just tops in my book. In these hard (processor) times, they just keep pumping out great software, and you know, it's just that good that it makes it worth putting up with "ok" hardware and speed. I don't think that makes it a distraction. Apple's software is just worth it.

To go on a slight tangent though, I would like to express my thoughts on the issue of speed. It will never hurt computers (Macs or PCs) to be faster. Until ripping a CD in iTunes and encoding it into MP3 happens virtual instantaneously, Apple's can be faster.

I don't feel like they are slow (for my uses) now, but like I said, they can definitely be faster. Expressing this desire doesn't necessarily mean that Mhz are all that matters to me and that I should go use a P4.
 
When Apple first released the iMac, it was a 700mhz G4 processor, and the bottom of the line Powermac was the 733mhz G4 Quicksilver. It was almost too weird that the iMac would have nearly the identical setup for less and included the monitor. A few months later, the Powermacs were updated and the product line was more even.

The way I see it, this could happen again. Apple knows that their Powermac lines are suffering, but (if I was Apple marketing) they should not let that hold back the iMacs from having the good features. Once the 970 comes out for the Powermac, it will not matter anyways for a while... there will be such a difference between the iMac and Powermac.

This could happen:

Good:
800mhz G4 (100mhz bus)
15" Flatpanel
CD-R/DVD-ROM
GeForce4 MX 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
No Firewire 800

Better:
933mhz G4 (133mhz bus)
15" Flatpanel
CD-R/DVD-ROM
GeForce4 MX DDR 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
Firewire 800

Best:
1.13ghz G4 (133mhz bus)
17" Flatpanel
Superdrive
GeForce4 MX DDR 32mb
Bluetooth
Airport Extreme
Firewire 800
 
Re: Re: Re: Broadband here too

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

Registered just to say this: That was just about the most stupid statement I've ever heard. You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

Excuse me, but I live in the UK. My point was the the improper wording - the applications still WORK exactly how they do in the US - which is obviously not how you want them to work in other countries. Now if the applications would crash non US systems then you would have a serious complaint.

I did state that I agree that the application should take advantage of system settings and that is a valid point of feedback, but you can't blame Apple for policies set by third parties. And I know for a fact that at least in the UK third party web content providers don't want to give Apple access to their content. I also know that Apple is in talks with Kodak about providing iPhoto services worldwide.

My comments were in no way inflammatory or derogatory to anyone and definitely not deserving of the flames that have been sent regarding them. So grow up. :eek:
 
I agree with Nighthawk re the speeds, except that I would imagine that if any have FW800, they all will, since they are built on the same motherboard.

Re transporting the iMac, recently saw a TV commercial where some girls, carrying an iMac by the neck, put it in the trunk of a car unpackaged. IMHO, that's nutty (the screen, at least, is fragile!), but it's only a commercial.

The iMac is getting a lot of publicity today. Given the 'recognizability' it is attaining, I'd really like it if Apple remodels their smaller monitors to look like it, with the same arm. It can have a weighted base with a USB hub in it.
 
Re: Re: Re: Broadband here too

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

Registered just to say this: That was just about the most stupid statement I've ever heard. You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

No YOUR statement is about the stupidest thing ever written. You have no clue what he's talking about, and that shows with your confusing post. What he said is true. Services like that are not usually free in Europe, that's why Apple hasn't, or possibly won't use them. That's exactly what he said.
 
Poor Value Apple Products

Well I live in Australia and access to the Yellow Pages Online is free through a web browser. I do not think that generalising foreign (to America) companies as "greedy" is a fair assessment to the situation and it reveals a certain amount of ignorance (or stupidity).

Anyway, in regards to iPhoto and photo albums not being available to non-US citizens, Kodak would be making money out of such a service so they should offer the service internationally. If they do not then it is a matter of time before Windows users get the bragging rights for photo albums (if they do not have them allready).

It is not fair that Apple charges the same price for their OS internationally but only American users get the most value. Considering all the money Apple has made outside your country I would expect it to treat all its customers equally.
 
Re: Poor Value Apple Products

Originally posted by Sol
Well I live in Australia and access to the Yellow Pages Online is free through a web browser. I do not think that generalising foreign (to America) companies as "greedy" is a fair assessment to the situation and it reveals a certain amount of ignorance (or stupidity).

Anyway, in regards to iPhoto and photo albums not being available to non-US citizens, Kodak would be making money out of such a service so they should offer the service internationally. If they do not then it is a matter of time before Windows users get the bragging rights for photo albums (if they do not have them allready).

It is not fair that Apple charges the same price for their OS internationally but only American users get the most value. Considering all the money Apple has made outside your country I would expect it to treat all its customers equally.

Yes, but I also said that these sites probably make their money from online advertising. I'm sure the YellowPages in Australia does.

Photo Album printing is available to no-US Citizens, but they have to be delivered to a US address :) (My wife a UK Citizen orders prints and has them sent to my family in the US) It's not Apple's fault that this agreement is not yet in place. I know for a fact that they are working on it.

Which country should they focus on? Apple receive 57% of their revenue from the US, so obviously they are going to focus on the US. I would assume that no other country accounts for even 10% of their revenue, so who should they focus on first? UK? Australia? Canada? Germany? France? Who?

So which are you - Ignorant or stupid? I've been in this industry for 20 years, I know Apple, I know people who work for Apple, I've worked for major Apple developers. I'm neither ignorant or stupid.
 
There's a 50% chance that the new iMac will be introduced tomorrow, on Tuesday, Jan 28 and a 50% chance it will be introduced sometime during the week of Feb. 3rd.

Don't ask me how.
 
Originally posted by mike3k
I suspect the reason for the delay is the new apps require 10.2.4, and they're waiting to release 10.2.4.

A 19" iMac would require a larger base, since it would be too top-heavy with the current base.

Actually, one of the iMac's selling points is that it's so small, compared to a 2x4 foot beige box.
 
Originally posted by SwitchHitter
There's a 50% chance that the new iMac will be introduced tomorrow, on Tuesday, Jan 28 and a 50% chance it will be introduced sometime during the week of Feb. 3rd.

Don't ask me how.

I won't ask how, but I will throw in my own two cents.
New iMacs won't be released tomorrow.
Why?
Because iLife was delayed. Although we don't know when iLife will actually be released, it'll be before (or simultaneously with) new hardware.
I'm betting on February 4 for the new iMacs, and this Saturday for iLife.
edit: Saturday or Friday
edit, again: MacCentral has confirmed a January 31 iLife release.
 
My last comment stands corrected.

There is ZERO probability of the release of a new iMac tomorrow.

There is 50% probability during the week of the 3rd and ...

There is 50% probability during the week of Jan 17th (Presidents' Day).
 
Re: Re: Poor Value Apple Products

Originally posted by JBracy

I would assume that no other country accounts for even 10% of their revenue, so who should they focus on first? UK? Australia? Canada? Germany? France? Who?

San Marino, of course. Or Liechtenstein, take your pick.
 
Re: Re: Re: Broadband here too

Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

You really should look at the world outside the US, if you were ever to debate about anything not regarding that or something in that country.

There's a world OUTSIDE of the U.S.? Wow, I'll be damned. There is! Hmmmm....this is going to make geography quite a bit more difficult. I thought learning the names and capitals of 50 states was bad...now I have to learn close to 200 new countries?!

P.S. I'm kidding! Although, grouping all of the countries together in the world and naming it Sweden would certainly simplify things.
 
Who? Who? Who?

France or Germany?! Have you not heard yet? They are "old Europe" now.

There is a whole other world out here. You should read up on it sometime.
 
Re: Apple store is offline!

Originally posted by iTry
The UK education apple store is being updated as I write...

What are they up to...?! New products? I hope so!

Check the US site. New PowerMacs: 1gHz, dual 1.25gHz, dual 1.42gHz, FW 800 Airport extreme, New 20.1" Cinema dsiplay $1299

OK, no new iMacs today, but new PowerMacs with iLife included, so new hardware can't be the reason for the delay, unless they release the downloads today.
 
Arrggghh!

That's nice that they upgraded the powermacs,...BUT WHEN WILL THE iMACs COME!? That is what I am waiting for. I am desperately waiting for them and all they do is tease. WHEN!?! Does anyone have any idea as to when???
 
Re: Arrggghh!

Originally posted by macphisto
That's nice that they upgraded the powermacs,...BUT WHEN WILL THE iMACs COME!? That is what I am waiting for. I am desperately waiting for them and all they do is tease. WHEN!?! Does anyone have any idea as to when???

macphisto - i feel your pain...
 
Re: Arrggghh!

Originally posted by macphisto
That's nice that they upgraded the powermacs,...BUT WHEN WILL THE iMACs COME!? That is what I am waiting for. I am desperately waiting for them and all they do is tease. WHEN!?! Does anyone have any idea as to when???

In case you missed all the other posts, people are suggesting the first week of Feb.
 
Re: Re: Arrggghh!

Originally posted by MacKid


In case you missed all the other posts, people are suggesting the first week of Feb.

I don't know. The i/e mac rumor has been going on the longest and still nothing. New Powerbooks, New Power Macs and still no upgrades at all to the consumer lines. I would like a new computer. How many more weeks or months is it going to take or has Apple just fogotten about their best selling lines of computers???
 
The updates are trickling down their computer lines. The iMac/eMac should be next, and possibly the iBook. I'm really hoping those iMacs come out Feb 3!! I'm thinking they'll lower the iMac prices significantly as with the power mac. The cheapest PM is $1500 w/ 1 gig and combo drive, yet the most expensive iMac is $2000 for 800meg w/ SuperDrive. Ooohhhhhhh! I just can't wait!
 
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