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New iMacs With Up to Xeon E3 Processors, 64GB RAM, AMD Graphics, and Thunderbolt 3 Rumored for Late October
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Actually, I think they finally are figuring out the Pro users are ticked off, and they realize they have to come up with something more powerful than their current desktop and laptop lineup.
The interview earlier this week with handpicked journalists, and now the leaks of new, upcoming products, tells me they're doing some damage control and worried about Pro migration to Windows.
Too bad it had to come to this, but sometimes you get the attention of a company only when you stop buying their product.
Apple last updated the iMac in October 2015, a span of 541 days, per the MacRumors Buyer's Guide.
A "late October" unveiling = We may see them by Jan.1, 2018! Boo
A "late October" unveiling = We may see them by Jan.1, 2018! Boo
With this kind of differentiation, it looks like the "iMac Pro" name could make an appearance. I believe it was a recent decision to create a separate tier with Mac Pro components. The rest of the details are not a surprise however.
I have not heard anything myself about the Mac mini, although I always imagined higher end Mac minis would take a form factor similar to the current Mac Pro, although not as drastic. While the Mac Pro could have a more traditional design. Hopefully the high end Mac minis will make a comeback as it was a popular option for those who wanted a (not AiO) desktop but didn't need to go to the same level as the Mac Pro.
I have not heard anything myself about the Mac mini, although I always imagined higher end Mac minis would take a form factor similar to the current Mac Pro, although not as drastic. While the Mac Pro could have a more traditional design. Hopefully the high end Mac minis will make a comeback as it was a popular option for those who wanted a (not AiO) desktop but didn't need to go to the same level as the Mac Pro.
OK. I am new to this forum and new to MacOS. Having used a couple of portable Apple products, iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad, but only very limited experiences on Macs. My 9 year old Windows PC shows its age now and I'm on the fence about buying a PC or my first Mac. For me the biggest concern is that the current iMac doesn't support the target display mode, which is a pity. However I think it's more due to the limitations of bandwidth of all current ports (DP and HDMI), so Apple has done its best. After some online research below are my guesses.
1. Considering now MBP can support 5k@60hz via TB3, the new 27 and 21 iMacs will come with the target display mode with a TB3 port, which will be sweet. I may pull my trigger if it is true.
2. Apple may launch an iMac Pro with 32 inch 8k@60hz. Considering the bandwidth limitations, it won't support the target display mode. The iMac Pro may come with a price tag of $5k+. First it will directly compete with Microsoft's Surface Studio (lower specs but hefty price). Secondly it will kill the Dell's new UP3218K 32 inch 8k display. Remember what happened to the Dell's 27 inch 5k monitor? It was launched almost the same time when the first 27 iMac 5k was released. But with a MSRP of 1.5k it can't compete with the iMac. The same thing will happen for the 8k models.
Just my 2 cents.
1. Considering now MBP can support 5k@60hz via TB3, the new 27 and 21 iMacs will come with the target display mode with a TB3 port, which will be sweet. I may pull my trigger if it is true.
2. Apple may launch an iMac Pro with 32 inch 8k@60hz. Considering the bandwidth limitations, it won't support the target display mode. The iMac Pro may come with a price tag of $5k+. First it will directly compete with Microsoft's Surface Studio (lower specs but hefty price). Secondly it will kill the Dell's new UP3218K 32 inch 8k display. Remember what happened to the Dell's 27 inch 5k monitor? It was launched almost the same time when the first 27 iMac 5k was released. But with a MSRP of 1.5k it can't compete with the iMac. The same thing will happen for the 8k models.
Just my 2 cents.
Not sure the Xeon is necessary in an iMac.
Rant time... Does Phil Schiller actually work? I feel like his team is totally reactionary instead of visionary. The defensive tone of the "can't innovate anymore my ass" comment while releasing a beautiful looking but totally flawed machine was Exhibit A. Exhibit B is this, which feels like he's going to say, "Ok, shut up. Here's some pro stuff." again, without thinking about whether or not it really makes sense.
Rant time... Does Phil Schiller actually work? I feel like his team is totally reactionary instead of visionary. The defensive tone of the "can't innovate anymore my ass" comment while releasing a beautiful looking but totally flawed machine was Exhibit A. Exhibit B is this, which feels like he's going to say, "Ok, shut up. Here's some pro stuff." again, without thinking about whether or not it really makes sense.
Not on macOS. macOS AMD GPU drivers are far superior to nvidia. I have found this to be the case time and time again through many generations of hardware.
Trust me, on a Mac you're best off with AMD GPUS.
iMac 2017 can use internally DP 1.3 or 1.4. With latter Apple could achieve 8k@60Hz without any tricks.
I was pleased to read this upon the announcement. Currently editing 3 4K streams with 6 audio devices using a 2011 MacBook Pro updated to have 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM and everything else as standard. It still works well, but I'm worried that it'll pack in before the announcement is made. Need a Mac for work; and was hoping for a big change to the Mac Pro, but would be happy with a slightly less powerful iMac equivalent without heating issues.
Can't buy the 5K iMac with the issues it has; can't buy the Mac Pro, because of how old it is; can't buy the new MacBook Pro, because of how ridiculously expensive and undercooked it is, though I've heard it's great for 4K edits.
I want a beast that will last me another 5 years minimum, and I think the Macs that are coming later in the year / early next year will offer this... it's great that they've shown us some transparency, but it's frustrating that we are having to wait even longer when most of us expected them either in November, last month or this month.
At least they're learning though...
Can't buy the 5K iMac with the issues it has; can't buy the Mac Pro, because of how old it is; can't buy the new MacBook Pro, because of how ridiculously expensive and undercooked it is, though I've heard it's great for 4K edits.
I want a beast that will last me another 5 years minimum, and I think the Macs that are coming later in the year / early next year will offer this... it's great that they've shown us some transparency, but it's frustrating that we are having to wait even longer when most of us expected them either in November, last month or this month.
At least they're learning though...
Going to be interesting certainly. My iMac is hardly struggling at the moment (although I'd like more than 1Tb SSD), and I'd look seriously at a significantly upgraded iMac this year. On the other hand, 8k in a 32 inch(ish) display and even more power would make me wait for the Mac Pro...
This is because Apple's software is optimized for OpenCL GPU Compute which AMD uses.
When in comparison to Software designed for CUDA, the Nvidia based systems tend to be faster.
CUDA is better overall than OpenCL and Nvidia's hardware lineup is wider, and has far higher end performing hardware than AMD's right now (But VEGA right?)
Why if you use Apple's software with AMD support is faster than a computer with Nvidia, is that Apple's software will NOT use CUDA. they don't pay for license and therefore don't support it. Leaving it entirely to CPU. and CPU alone will never keep up with CPU + GPU.
Not passing judgment, just pointing out your experience has explanation.
I understand why Apple goes AMD. It's a solid decision for them. Yes, I'd love to get nividia's performance in an APple computer, But Apple's decision makes alot of business sense
Not here. I am on latest greatest as of Today and my fans are literally blowing me out the chair ;-)
There are 4-core Xeon E3s with a TDP of 72 and 45W. Hell there are even 25W E3 Xeons.
While the P is ugly and the iMac beautiful - if the P would overheat as fast as the iMac I doubt there would even be images of it on Google...Worse than a Pontiac Aztek?
Did not mean the beauty of the design but the functionality. Apple has beautiful products some of which are suffering SEVERELY on the functional ground only to be good to look at...
Basically - today, any USD1500 Hackingtosh will literally blow ANY mac out the Water performance wise.
I dont own one myself but I know a great many pro facilities having begun to build their Hackingtosh CPUs - not only are they faster they are also much more powerful - Forget not that any guy having been doing audio and video since the past 10 or 20 years has invested 20+k in to PCI cards which Apple just said --- Screw You Loyal Clients -- We dont care about you we dont think that PCI cards are sexy... Apple's Top - are NOT using their own product creatively --- If they were - they would not have made all those insane desktop / laptop choice the past 4 years !
The only application this is really true for is Gaming which benefits from overclocking single core performance.
What little benefit you get from NVIDIA GPUs in Adobe applications, is easily offset by the much better performance AMD GPUs provide in Apple's Pro apps.
I'm glad Apple is finally getting that it can't ignore Pros, but a hackintosh is not a reasonable alternative...
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Why can't Apple support both vendors? Is it really that much more expensive in terms of development resources?
yup
I believe that Nvidia charges license fees for using it's APIs
OpenCL is open platform with no royalties.
Apple should make a 24" iMac, have 3 sizes
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Earlier this week, Apple made the rare move of pre-announcing that it is working on new pro-focused iMac models that will launch later this year.
Apple did not share any specific details about what the upgrades will entail, but if the blog Pike's Universum is to be believed, the next-generation iMac lineup could feature several improvements that make Apple's desktop computer a more powerful workstation for professionals and average consumers alike.
The blog, citing a "little bird" that is "usually pretty accurate," claims the incoming iMac lineup will be available with up to the following tech specs:
o Intel Xeon E3 processors: The new iMac will supposedly have up to a pro-grade Intel Xeon E3-1285 v6 processor. Intel has not released that particular chip yet, but based on previous generations of the E3-1285, the processor could essentially be the E3-1280 v6 coupled with integrated Intel HD Graphics P630.
o 16GB to 64GB of ECC RAM: 16GB of ECC RAM, configurable to 32GB or 64GB, in line with the current Mac Pro. iMacs currently have 8GB of non-ECC RAM, configurable to 16GB or 32GB. ECC RAM can detect and repair errors that cause data corruption and system crashes. No word if it will be DDR3L or DDR4.
o Faster NVMe SSDs: The rumor claims the next iMacs will have faster NVM Express PCIe-based flash storage with capacities up to 2TB. The current 4K and 5K iMac models are also configurable with NVMe PCIe-based SSDs or Fusion Drives up to 2TB.
o AMD graphics: The new iMacs will supposedly have AMD graphics options to support virtual reality and professional apps. The inclusion of AMD graphics in the next iMac has been rumored previously by Bloomberg. The current 27-inch iMac uses AMD Radeon R9 GPUs.
o Thunderbolt 3: Thunderbolt 3 ports would be an unsurprising inclusion in the next iMacs given they already exist on the latest MacBook Pro. Thunderbolt 3 carries power, USB, DisplayPort, HDMI, and VGA over a single cable, creating one standard for connecting most accessories and peripherals.The report claims the next iMac models will be unveiled in late October and be accompanied by a brand new keyboard. A previous report said Apple was exploring a standalone keyboard with a Touch Bar and Touch ID, but its release allegedly depends upon how well those features have been received on the latest MacBook Pro.
The blog also claims Apple is working on an 8K external display for Apple's "completely rethought" Mac Pro. This isn't a rumor we've heard before, but Apple did confirm it is working on a new Apple-branded pro display of an unspecified resolution. Dell recently launched a 32-inch 8K display for $5,000.
Another tidbit mentioned in the report is that macOS 10.13 supposedly will not use a mountain or park name anymore, with two alternative names in the running, including one that starts with the letter M. One of Apple's trademarked names that could fit that description is Monterey.
Last, the report said the next high-end Mac mini "won't be so mini anymore," suggesting that the most expensive model might have a larger or taller design. Apple recently said the Mac mini is "important" within its product lineup, but it remained tight-lipped about the prospects of future updates.
Pike's Universum is best known for spotting references to unreleased Macs or upcoming software versions hidden within Apple's operating systems. The blog does not have an established track record of reporting on Apple's plans based on its own inside sources, so this rumor should be treated with caution for now.
Apple last updated the iMac in October 2015, a span of 541 days, per the MacRumors Buyer's Guide.
Article Link: New iMacs With Up to Xeon E3 Processors, 64GB RAM, AMD Graphics, and Thunderbolt 3 Rumored for Late October[/QUOTE]
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Earlier this week, Apple made the rare move of pre-announcing that it is working on new pro-focused iMac models that will launch later this year.
Apple did not share any specific details about what the upgrades will entail, but if the blog Pike's Universum is to be believed, the next-generation iMac lineup could feature several improvements that make Apple's desktop computer a more powerful workstation for professionals and average consumers alike.
The blog, citing a "little bird" that is "usually pretty accurate," claims the incoming iMac lineup will be available with up to the following tech specs:
o Intel Xeon E3 processors: The new iMac will supposedly have up to a pro-grade Intel Xeon E3-1285 v6 processor. Intel has not released that particular chip yet, but based on previous generations of the E3-1285, the processor could essentially be the E3-1280 v6 coupled with integrated Intel HD Graphics P630.
o 16GB to 64GB of ECC RAM: 16GB of ECC RAM, configurable to 32GB or 64GB, in line with the current Mac Pro. iMacs currently have 8GB of non-ECC RAM, configurable to 16GB or 32GB. ECC RAM can detect and repair errors that cause data corruption and system crashes. No word if it will be DDR3L or DDR4.
o Faster NVMe SSDs: The rumor claims the next iMacs will have faster NVM Express PCIe-based flash storage with capacities up to 2TB. The current 4K and 5K iMac models are also configurable with NVMe PCIe-based SSDs or Fusion Drives up to 2TB.
o AMD graphics: The new iMacs will supposedly have AMD graphics options to support virtual reality and professional apps. The inclusion of AMD graphics in the next iMac has been rumored previously by Bloomberg. The current 27-inch iMac uses AMD Radeon R9 GPUs.
o Thunderbolt 3: Thunderbolt 3 ports would be an unsurprising inclusion in the next iMacs given they already exist on the latest MacBook Pro. Thunderbolt 3 carries power, USB, DisplayPort, HDMI, and VGA over a single cable, creating one standard for connecting most accessories and peripherals.The report claims the next iMac models will be unveiled in late October and be accompanied by a brand new keyboard. A previous report said Apple was exploring a standalone keyboard with a Touch Bar and Touch ID, but its release allegedly depends upon how well those features have been received on the latest MacBook Pro.
The blog also claims Apple is working on an 8K external display for Apple's "completely rethought" Mac Pro. This isn't a rumor we've heard before, but Apple did confirm it is working on a new Apple-branded pro display of an unspecified resolution. Dell recently launched a 32-inch 8K display for $5,000.
Another tidbit mentioned in the report is that macOS 10.13 supposedly will not use a mountain or park name anymore, with two alternative names in the running, including one that starts with the letter M. One of Apple's trademarked names that could fit that description is Monterey.
Last, the report said the next high-end Mac mini "won't be so mini anymore," suggesting that the most expensive model might have a larger or taller design. Apple recently said the Mac mini is "important" within its product lineup, but it remained tight-lipped about the prospects of future updates.
Pike's Universum is best known for spotting references to unreleased Macs or upcoming software versions hidden within Apple's operating systems. The blog does not have an established track record of reporting on Apple's plans based on its own inside sources, so this rumor should be treated with caution for now.
Apple last updated the iMac in October 2015, a span of 541 days, per the MacRumors Buyer's Guide.
Article Link: New iMacs With Up to Xeon E3 Processors, 64GB RAM, AMD Graphics, and Thunderbolt 3 Rumored for Late October[/QUOTE]
so what. I haven't lifted or moved my iMac since 2013. Apples "thin" fetish for their desktop is not very logical