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If Microsoft, Samsung or Google introduced a product that was so hot they couldn't keep it supplied I would be amazed and dumb-struck. No, I would not think it was poor planning.

I am sure that Apple is pleased to sell as many iPads as quickly as possible. I am sure they would rather have people waiting than have oversupply. What is your problem with that? You would rather they make everybody wait for the new version until everybody can get it the day it is released. Why?

I keep reading about what a lame upgrade this, or an iPhone upgrade, is and how nobody should care about or buy this. You yourself don't consider this an earthshaking update. So Apple erred on the side of caution. And a win-win for them. Hard to fault them in my mind.

I never said the new iPad was a lame update. I said it was a nice upgrade and that it wasn't earth shattering as one would have believed from reading this site and others for the past 6 months. That's not insulting at all. Every update can't nor shouldn't be earth shattering. The retina display, faster processor, better graphics processor and possibly even more RAM is a very nice upgrade, IMHO. I thought the iPad 2 was a good upgrade from the original and this one will be even better.

Everybody wouldn't buy it on release day. But it would be nice to walk into a store 2 weeks later and pick one up, wouldn't it? And not have to go wait in line everyday for 3 months if you wanted one. I personally doubt that Apple errs on the side of caution. If these products were readily available from day one they would lose a lot of their marketing hype and customer frenzy. No more lines, no more 6:00 news stories, etc. It would be like the iPod is today. And losing that would be losing a part of what makes Apple what it is today. It wouldn't be the same without the lines and feeding frenzy. It is brilliant business and marketing, but it is a pain in the behind for a non fanatical consumer.


Yeah that's what I meant. It doesn't seem to matter to their customers. Whether that makes the customers idiots or not or whether it makes them lame, really doesn't matter to apple and why should it? They just want the money.

I wasn't implying that the customers were idiots, they are extremely loyal and forgiving. Every business on earth wants devoted customers like Apple has. I just personally feel that it wouldn't have bankrupted Apple to stockpile supplies for another week or so.
 
1080p?

I had something like that running for a while -I keep all my media on a Synology box and even hooked it up with some dynamic DNS so I could hit it from the WAN on my own URL. Then I moved into an apartment with a really restrictive, obnoxious ISP that firewalls the sh-- out of everything.

AirVideo is supposed to bypass firewalls. You may consider trying the free version. The 1080p restriction was more hardware based than anything else.
For example, my iPad 1 would choke if I try to play 1080p, but had no trouble playing 720p.
I would imagine the iPad 2 would play 1080p without trouble, and the iPad 3 better yet.
 
Yeah that's what I meant. It doesn't seem to matter to their customers. Whether that makes the customers idiots or not or whether it makes them lame, really doesn't matter to apple and why should it? They just want the money.
While I agree the bottom line is the company's profit, they have to take in consideration making a good product. All companies try to do that, not just Apple - although some are more successful than others. The hipe of buying a product that is "in" would not live too long if it didn't hold quality and function.
 
While I agree the bottom line is the company's profit, they have to take in consideration making a good product. All companies try to do that, not just Apple - although some are more successful than others. The hipe of buying a product that is "in" would not live too long if it didn't hold quality and function.

I believe the quality of the ipads is better then any other tablet out there, and people know that that's why they buy it. I think the customers are happy with Apple, hardware software and customer service. I agree with applescruff that maybe they should have more supply for the demand that they know is coming, but overall it's irrelevant. They'll still sell millions and customers will still stay loyal. People are obviously not too upset about the lack of demand.
 
Everybody wouldn't buy it on release day. But it would be nice to walk into a store 2 weeks later and pick one up, wouldn't it? And not have to go wait in line everyday for 3 months if you wanted one. I personally doubt that Apple errs on the side of caution. If these products were readily available from day one they would lose a lot of their marketing hype and customer frenzy. No more lines, no more 6:00 news stories, etc. It would be like the iPod is today. And losing that would be losing a part of what makes Apple what it is today. It wouldn't be the same without the lines and feeding frenzy. It is brilliant business and marketing, but it is a pain in the behind for a non fanatical consumer.

Apple knows how to play the game, but I think with iPhone and iPad, there is genuine demand that outstrips supply. Do you think in their wildest dreams Apple would have envisioned a year ago that they would sell 37 million iPhones in the holiday quarter, particularly after "missing" the quarter before, and never before having sold more than 20 million in a quarter?

Also, the reason the iPod doesn't have the buzz anymore isn't that Apple bumped up production. It's that it has been supplanted by the iPhone, which is exactly what Steve Jobs predicted in the mid-2000s when Apple started development on phones.

Of Apple's two top-selling products, I'd say iPad is in the more precarious position. Phones are small enough and light enough to carry around, and even with processor advancements, it's difficult to foresee them replacing PCs (even in a dockable setup). However, the line between PCs and tablets is blurry, and there is a reasonably decent possibility that someone (perhaps Microsoft, perhaps Google, perhaps someone we haven't heard of yet) will develop a device that merges the two effectively.
 
Apple knows how to play the game, but I think with iPhone and iPad, there is genuine demand that outstrips supply. Do you think in their wildest dreams Apple would have envisioned a year ago that they would sell 37 million iPhones in the holiday quarter, particularly after "missing" the quarter before, and never before having sold more than 20 million in a quarter?

Also, the reason the iPod doesn't have the buzz anymore isn't that Apple bumped up production. It's that it has been supplanted by the iPhone, which is exactly what Steve Jobs predicted in the mid-2000s when Apple started development on phones.

Of Apple's two top-selling products, I'd say iPad is in the more precarious position. Phones are small enough and light enough to carry around, and even with processor advancements, it's difficult to foresee them replacing PCs (even in a dockable setup). However, the line between PCs and tablets is blurry, and there is a reasonably decent possibility that someone (perhaps Microsoft, perhaps Google, perhaps someone we haven't heard of yet) will develop a device that merges the two effectively.

We have seen the huge demand for the iPhone and iPad. The demand has outstripped the supply of the iPad with all 3 launches. Ditto for the last two iPhones for sure, I'm not sure about the original and 3GS. My point was that Apple wants the hype of the products being hard to get. It helps feed the frenzy and is brilliant marketing. Otherwise it wouldn't get the buzz that it does when the supply is short. Of course this is just my opinion.
 
Keep in mind that some of these blow out numbers may not be real.

If the number is said by an analyst sure. But when Apple releases numbers they are real. Because the units sell. There's no shipping to a channel that might or might not have ever left the store stock room. on a launch weekend in particular every unit will find a home and typically on the first day. A few dregs will be around on Saturday but that's it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's rather unusual for Apple to comment on sales like this? Cook's initiative perhaps and it sure makes for a friendlier more open Apple, but the question is if this is really what they need. Maybe the closed off mystique was partially what had Apple going.

You're wrong. Apple has often made such vague comments before. And in a week or two they will announce the actual numbers sold.

What they don't do is announce when the units will ship to the stores, how many, what models etc. They won't pre announce that they were able to make only 50 million units for this two week world wide launch or how many were allocated for ship to home preorders, how many to each country etc

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Every time I hear someone claiming this kind of nonsense, it makes me wonder. Every company knows that if you miss an opportunity to sell, the opportunity might be gone.

Not so true with Apple. Folks that really want it will wait out the supply issues. THe only folks that won't are those that weren't sure they wanted to buy it and generally end up not, or buying and returning a week later anyway. Better to have them not burning a unit that could go to someone that definitely wants it. A group which will be plenty big enough to suit Apple.

Then add on top of that schools etc that will force families to buy iPads or will buy in bulk and loan them to the kids (after submission of a contract and $500 deposit in case of loss etc) and Apple really will have numbers they can live with

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No seriously, look at the Verizon iPhone where there was plenty of stock

That bit of difference was due to everyone being certain there was going to be a new phone in June so why buy at that moment. Then it turned out that Apple was planning to move the iPhone to later in the year, which is probably why they went ahead and did the Jan release to shut folks up with their demands.

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As of late last evening, all of the units were listed as "Ships by March 19th." Then suddenly, this morning, a 2-3 week wait on all units.

it's called selling out of the supply

I'm beginning to think that this is being done simply to drive traffic to stores, and create lines and the requisite publicity, on launch day.

Not at all. They allocate amounts to the stores and to the online system and the online sold out. They don't need to play games to get traffic etc. They are one of the few companies that never saw a recession because folks just kept coming even without a new product, etc

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Rhetorical question; how do they afford the iPad then? That's a whole lot of justification going on there.

who says it is there money. they might have ordered one online already and are waiting to buy the 2 allowed units each (or whatever the in store limit is) with someone else's cash and perhaps are even being paid more cash to sit there so that said other party doesn't have to.
 
Siri for the iPhone

Siri was made/designed for the iPhone, not the iPad. watch this video, and mentally picture a person jogging, or driving a car with their iPad next to them..just doesn't make sense..not to me atleast.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri.html

I get the logistics behind your point. However picture yourself taking a picture or recordings video with the iPad and tell me which one looks more ridiculous. :confused:
 
Well, if its only the screen it would be worth it for me, if the difference is similar to iPhone 3GS vs iPhone 4, it should be quite, well, to quote Apple "amaizing"

But it is not only the screen. Its also vastly faster conection speeds (for me going from 3-7Mbs to stable 35-40Mbs) and a double size Battery. I am hoping that without the need for the power hog LTE the Battery life will improve over my iPad2 (and that is impressive)
Since they kept the prices, its only a small amount of money to pay after selling your old iPad2. I think, worth the money.

Absolutely agree - I took my 2 back in January when I was convinced the rumours were right with a March update, and they were. My iPad arrived Monday and it really is the best piece of technology I own hands down. I take it everywhere with me, including a meeting yesterday - and now the two guys I met up with are off to get their own this weekend.

Love it.
 
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