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Remember when Apple used to make the best products they could?

No USB-C or Pencil2, all in a 7-year old design. They're just phoning it in at this point.


Different perspective: The Mini isn't a massively popular product but still has a following. Apple decided to revamp it in the cheapest but most effective way. If all I get out of this deal is their top level SOC and a better screen I'll happily take it. A better camera and face ID would have been nice but also would have required a case re-design. And even Pencil 1 support is a big deal because it was non-existent before. I may get one just for quick note jotting. And it fits in my lab coat pocket.
 
honest question - what's the advantage of switching to USB-C, over lightning?

i keep seeing people mentioning wanting USB-C for future iphones & ipads, without any real explanation as to why it would be better, other than just wanting to be able to use the same cable that they use to charge their laptop (i literally created an account just now in order to ask this question!)...

thanks in advance for any replies! =)
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I don't really get it either. For the limited range of peripherals an iPad can support theres no realistic benefit to USB C other than, like you say, sharing a MacBook charger. On the other hand, the lightning connector is arguably better in that it doesn't have a nasty habit of becoming loose over time like a lot of USB C ports do.
 
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honest question - what's the advantage of switching to USB-C, over lightning?

i keep seeing people mentioning wanting USB-C for future iphones & ipads, without any real explanation as to why it would be better, other than just wanting to be able to use the same cable that they use to charge their laptop (i literally created an account just now in order to ask this question!)...

thanks in advance for any replies! =)

Depends on the aspects of the connector, transfer speeds, compatibility with devices, etc. My opinion is it was used as another differentiating factor to get people to purchase "Pro" models which are already priced quite high. Cost for them to switch would have been negligible. This appears to me that it's greatly influenced by marketing product decisions. As opposed to, actual cost, engineering, or manufacturing.
 
What is the best ipad to get if I want to get my three kids a basic tablet for games/streaming?


I can't say much about the others but definitely look at the iPad Mini. It looks bigger to little kids, too. ;)
 
I have a switch and an iPad. The iPad lets me read books, do some light web browsing, and acts as a doodle pad for my pseduo artsy-wanna-be aspect. The Switch does none of these things. (and when I use the switch, usually i want it up to a TV anyway, where it's competing with PS4, not iPad)

Apple would rather sell you three different devices than one integrated device. Apple needs to make something like this that integrates a 7.2" mini iPad, quasi Nintendo Switch and with pen input.

 
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There is no way of getting around how bad those top and bottom bezels with the off-center Home Button look, especially when you compare it to the iPad Air.
You can criticize the way it looks as much as you want, because in the end if someone wants a powerful, high-quality small tablet with a great display, the iPad mini 5 is really the only game in town. Had Apple changed the design, instead of the dated design you would now be criticizing the price which would probably be close to the iPhone XR pricing. Would there be a lot of people willing to pay $300 more for FaceID, ProMotion and Pencil 2 support? Probably not and it would probably disappear in a year due to poor sales.
 
Too expensive for regular consumers. iPad mini used to be priced fairly for entry level iPad customers who don’t want a larger device.
As a long time Apple customer, I know I’m being screwed these days by Apple.
And too expensive for someone who already has an iPad mini. I'd love to get the iPad mini 5, but I ask myself what it is that my iPad mini 2 doesn't do that justifies spending £400? And I just don't have an answer.

I'd love to have TouchID, and pencil support, but for £400 plus the cost of the pencil? No, I'll make do without them - at least for now.

If it was £299, I'd probably buy. If it was less, I'd definitely buy. But it's not going to be - at least, not here in the UK.
 
Remember when Apple used to make the best products they could?

No USB-C or Pencil2, all in a 7-year old design. They're just phoning it in at this point.

Maybe Apple will come out with a mini version of the $799 iPad Pro 11”. It would obviously cost more than $399, since they’d have to design a new case incorporating FaceID, set up new assembly lines and all that. Maybe next year they could do it for $599. I’m pretty happy with an A12 powered iPad Mini with a TrueTone P3 display for $399. Glad I got my order in early, they’re backordered for weeks now.
 
The german blogger Caschy from Stadt-Bremerhaven.de just confirmed that the Mini 5 has only 2GB of RAM. I hope the Air 3 will have at least 3 or I'm gonna cancel my order. My Air 2 is a mess with only 2 GB
 
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I wish it required a ruler to notice it.



I love your attitude, so keep at it because you might change my thinking. Right now I still feel like it is on death watch. Apple built a device to use up the remainder of their stock of old hardware. When that runs out, be it a year or 5, the mini will likely die. Apple likes to claim they don't compromise, and I admire that because I don't like to do it either. I slept on the floor for a year until I found a bed I liked, and I can wait out this 'new' 2015 iPad mini until they release one that uses the same charging port as all of my other devices.

It seems a bit absurd that Apple had a million or more iPad mini chassis hanging around and decided to re-engineer a new motherboard to sell them off. The iPad mini is a niche product but still a viable one. For you it's perfection or nothing. I try for a more balanced approach.
 
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honest question - what's the advantage of switching to USB-C, over lightning?

i keep seeing people mentioning wanting USB-C for future iphones & ipads, without any real explanation as to why it would be better, other than just wanting to be able to use the same cable that they use to charge their laptop (i literally created an account just now in order to ask this question!)...

thanks in advance for any replies! =)

I think the primary reason is that most of the people commenting on this site are technophiles who have recent Macs & such and have already invested in USB-C, not understanding that most of the general public (for which the Mini & Air seem to be targeting), still get by with USB-A & Lightning.

For them, having a USB-C iPad would be something of a pain. These are not made for hardcore workload like video & photography like the Pros are, which is while they call them “Pro.”
 
The gaming systems are mostly geared for kids, the software dictates this...for example there is not any real strategy games (historical) like the pc would have, little apps, no external keyboard and the games are expensive certainly not the cost as ones which come from steam...with the iPad at least adults which don’t play games can still enjoy surfing the web, shopping, paying bills and email.
And you are way wrong on that. I own a Nintendo Switch and the software predominately is geared for young adults and not kids. In fact Nintendo has been getting away from kiddie games for quite some time, in fact that trend stopped with the Nintendo Wii, even Nintendo admitted that they wanted to expand to feature Teen and Mature style games. Nintendo has been leaning towards Teen and Mature games for at least the last 8 yrs. I should know because I owned a Nintendo Wii, Wii U and Nintendo Switch. Even the Nintendo 3DS is primarily teen based games as well. The Indie lineup for the Switch as well is predominately Teen and Adult with a light sprinkle of kiddie games.
 
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I have the 11” ipad pro. It’s my main computer. It does all my heavy lifting. I edit 4k video & photos on it. I draw & design on it. And I consume media on it. I absolutely love it.

BUT, there has always been a soft spot in my heart for the ipad mini. Thats why I’ve always had one, and why I will be buying this one to update my 5 yr old ipad mini 2.

The ipad mini actually compliments my 11” ipad pro quite nicely. It’s the ipad I grab when I walk out of my house without a backpack. I just slip it into my cargo pants pocket & go. It’s the ipad i use when I go biking. I just put it on my handle bar mount and track my tour on Strava. I don’t own a large screen iphone, but even if i did, I’d still prefer the mini’s screen for surfing the web & other things. It’s just more enjoyable.

Now, I will be honest...I was secretly hoping the mini would get the flat edged design of the pros with apple pencil 2 support. To me, that would just make the mini the absolutley perfect little ipad. To be able to share my apple pencil 2 btwn my 11” pro & mini would be so much more convenient. I am not thrilled about buying another apple pencil for my mini. Not because of the added price...but because the Apple pencil 2 is just soooo much better.

Face ID on the mini woulda been cool too. And I know Apple says that usb-c is a “pro” only feature...but come on. Until Apple allows me to hook up an external HD to my ipad pro, it’s just another connector to me. Plus if Apple went with the flat edged design with slimmer bezels on the mini, it would be very interesting. They could slim the bezels, but keep the same 7.9” screen, making the ipad mini even more portable. OR they could increase the screen size to 8.5” but keep the same size body. That would be sooo cool.

Anyway. I will keep dreaming about an ipad mini pro design. But I will be buying this new mini now cause i really need to update my old mini badly. And frankly because there is just no gaurantee that Apple will ever update it again. Or they might wait another 4 yrs like they did for this update. Who knows.

Until then, this new mini will do nicely.

Cheers.

Wow, so reasonable. ;) My hope is that the revamped mini will take off a bit and the next one will be a Pro.
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I really hope it at least has the iPhone 7 haptic TouchID. I get that we can’t have FaceID yet if we want it to be $399, but come on.


I read, unfortunately, that they stayed with the mechanical button. A shame but Apple uses very good buttons, as a rule.
 
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There is no way of getting around how bad those top and bottom bezels with the off-center Home Button look, especially when you compare it to the iPad Air.

Not everybody hates bezels! Some prefer the classic design.It’s perfect for people who don’t need the Pro’s and want a compact device.

Not everybody has the same views as you!
 
Wow, so reasonable. ;) My hope is that the revamped mini will take off a bit and the next one will be a Pro.
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I read, unfortunately, that they stayed with the mechanical button. A shame but Apple uses very good buttons, as a rule.

I just heard back from a reviewer I reached out to, they said the same. That’s crazy! I wonder if they only swapped out the CPU and display, and left everything else the same on the assembly line. I’m looking forward to an iFixIt tear down.
 
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I think the primary reason is that most of the people commenting on this site are technophiles who have recent Macs & such and have already invested in USB-C, not understanding that most of the general public (for which the Mini & Air seem to be targeting), still get by with USB-A & Lightning.

For them, having a USB-C iPad would be something of a pain. These are not made for hardcore workload like video & photography like the Pros are, which is while they call them “Pro.”

Not really. There are a few Android based devices which include USB-C to USB-C and USB-C to USB-A cables with them. The lightning physical connector is based on USB specifications for data transmission and charging. Your logic for having a physical lightning port because of other "users" doesn't make sense.
 
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So petty to complain about that.Most people won’t care or notice,especially with the Space Grey version with the black faceplate.

It's a valid complaint. People have complained about competitors' off centered side speaker grill that's not even visible from the top. Can we say double standards?
 
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It's a valid complaint. People have complained about competitors' off centered side speaker grill that's not even visible from the top. Can we say double standards?

I agree, it’s a valid complaint. I’m spoiled by Apple always centering and aligning everything perfectly, and the iPad Mini button layout bugs me a bit. I mean, I ordered one the morning they were announced this week, but the button does bug me a little.
 
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