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New iPad Pro Has Comparable Performance to 2018 15" MacBook Pro in Benchmarks

Khedron said:
Nice spin

No support for multitasking = "designed not to waste power" :D
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I'm actually quite serious about this. Its a bit of a bug bear of mine.
I've been programming or tinkering with computers since I was 6yrs old. Thats like nearly 40 yrs of computing
I was there before everything became WinTel.
And it amazes me how everyone thinks the only way to do "computing" is a classic wintel scenario.

The biggest problem computing has now is waste. We have ridiculously powerful chips in machines with operating systems so bloated doing a million and one things that we as users dont need them to do. We need to optimize our power. But for years that wasnt the narrative. The narrative was Moores law, more power, more power, buy new machines every year.

Until it stopped happening.
Apple took a new path to design a modern OS. One that needed to be concise, less wasteful, run with less heat. Because these devices arent plugged into walls.

So something like "tombstoning" apps (pausing them whislt they are not on the screen so they are not draining battery/cpu times) are actually really important features. But you laugh at them because a traditional PC is designed to run everything all the time.

But its the recognition that no one is really paying attention to more than 1 or two things that are infront of them at any one time, especially on small screen devices, that has led iOS to be the most effecient and therefore powerful of all modern OS's.

The attention to detail like this means that Android machines will never run as powerful as iOS with the same memory and CPU/GPU. Its why iOS is running well with the same source code on iphone 5s to iphone Xs .

I am awe at the bravery of not following MS and Google down the tired road of OS design. Not running managed code (C sharp / JAVA ) etc.. Everything to make their devices as smooth and effecient as possible.

But sadly, no one really gets it.
 
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jonnysods said:
You'd edit films with your fingers?
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On a PC, what do you use? The power of your mind or your hand (including fingers on a trackpad/mouse)
But anyway, answering your question here. I use Apple Pencil on the iPad Pro and Luma Fusion which is already a brilliant video editing app with powerful features, and I find the precision of using the pencil just as good (to not say better) then using a mouse on a PC.
 
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BvizioN said:
But it does not come with a mouse, does it Mr human from earth? You got to buy it extra . It may be many things capable, if you pay more. Like you would for the pencil or may other accessories for the iPad Pro.,
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what's you point? no computer comes with a mouse. maybe surface studio.
 
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threesixty360 said:
I'm actually quite serious about this. Its a bit of a bug bear of mine.
I've been programming or tinkering with computers since I was 6yrs old. Thats like nearly 40 yrs of computing
I was there before everything became WinTel.
And it amazes me how everyone thinks the only way to do "computing" is a classic wintel scenario.

The biggest problem computing has now is waste. We have ridiculously powerful chips in machines with operating systems so bloated doing a million and one things that we as users dont need them to do. We need to optimize our power. But for years that wasnt the narrative. The narrative was Moores law, more power, more power, buy new machines every year.

Until it stopped happening.
Apple took a new path to design a modern OS. One that needed to be concise, less wasteful, run with less heat. Because these devices arent plugged into walls.

So something like "tombstoning" apps (pausing them whislt they are not on the screen so they are not draining battery/cpu times) are actually really important features. But you laugh at them because a traditional PC is designed to run everything all the time.

But its the recognition that no one is really paying attention to more than 1 or two things that are infront of them at any one time, especially on small screen devices, that has led iOS to be the most effecient and therefore powerful of all modern OS's.

The attention to detail like this means that Android machines will never run as powerful as iOS with the same memory and CPU/GPU. Its why iOS is running well with the same source code on iphone 5s to iphone Xs .

I am awe at the bravery of not following MS and Google down the tired road of OS design. Not running managed code (C sharp / JAVA ) etc.. Everything to make their devices as smooth and effecient as possible.

But sadly, no one really gets it.
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For a professional computer user the idea that a workflow stops running because you're not watching it is a description of hell.

And if you're not a professional, why do you care about such power?
 
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Ploki said:
You're describing Microsoft Surface - I doubt apple will do that 5 years late.
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Apple is notorious for doing things much later than their competitors. They've often stated they'd rather release something when it's ready rather than rush an inferior product to market.
 
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I'd leap over to it as my mainstay laptop--IF IT COULD DO THINGS.

Let's be brutally frank: the iPad is NOT close to being a MacBook Pro for several reasons. One: it isn't versatile due to the OS. Second: the programs that make Macs great aren't on iOS yet. Third: if you did one and two and made it 15" for a top-end iPad Pro, I'd never go back!

Three small things, Apple, just three small things to do to get us over to iPads. (Art pros snd low-end video pros, etc)

I have no idea if the iPad could actually do all those things that work on Macs, yet, but they will in 2 or 3 years. I believe Apple will make the great leap into iPads as main portable computers, but they will have to swallow a hard pill and cannibalize much of the Mac OSverse.
 
mgmacius said:
I have to tell you something, says Tim one day, MacOS was living double life in one of these buildings over the last five years. Every build was compiled for arm as well, as a just in case measure.
Wanna bet?
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Agreed, but that's to be expected new since Darwin can compile on just about anything.
 
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topgunn said:
I am sorry, I should have been more clear. By "it", I was referring to the A12X processor. I wonder what the A12X processor could do with active cooling as in a desktop or laptop computer.
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Probably just what it currently does, but allowing a continuous 100% workload.

Why would Apple bother designing a chip to have significant extra features that could never be used?
 
Khedron said:
For a professional computer user the idea that a workflow stops running because you're not watching it is a description of hell.

And if you're not a professional, why do you care about such power?
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I think for a professional the idea that a process doing nothing for me is not draining my battery and cpu cycles and thus taking away from what stuff I really need doing, is a description of heaven!

Which means you have to care about power because your paying for it, either in heat, money, speed, responsiveness etc.. You're always paying for power.
 
Khedron said:
Probably just what it currently does, but allowing a continuous 100% workload.

Why would Apple bother designing a chip to have significant extra features that could never be used?
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Sorry, I thought I was making myself clear. Apparently not.

The A12X is currently on par with the Intel chips in the current MacBook Pros. I am not suggesting that throwing a heatsink and fan on the A12X will cause it to be noticeably faster. What I would like to see is what could the design team do with the A12 architecture if it was allowed an active cooling system. Unless the engineers have found a way to dispense with the laws of physics, they should be able to accomplish much more with the architecture given a way to disperse heat more effectively.
 
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threesixty360 said:
I think for a professional the idea that a process doing nothing for me is not draining my battery and cpu cycles and thus taking away from what stuff I really need doing, is a description of heaven!

Which means you have to care about power because your paying for it, either in heat, money, speed, responsiveness etc.. You're always paying for power.
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Then kill the unwanted process. Don't design a crippled OS that only allows the currently viewed window to access resources.
 
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Bistroengine said:
Not that anyone might care, but here’s my prediction. Eventually, Apple will develop a hybrid iOS/MacOS iPad. They’ll develop an aluminum keyboard attachment that will connect magnetically or otherwise to the iPad (which is essentially an uninterrupted screen now) and run MacOS when connected to the keyboard. Disconnect the iPad and it switches to iOS. The aluminum keyboard attachment may even give an extra performance boost to the iPad when connected so it can run MacOS smoothly (additional graphics processing, memory, etc. Apple has publicly stated they’ll never merge iOS/MacOS but that doesn’t mean they won’t eventually build a device that can do both. Hmmmm? Something to think about.
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We all care about the future of personal computing. Using a machine that has a tablet and laptop mode is a killer idea. Apple is already late to the party - as Google is already offering the merge of ChromeOS/Android/Linux. That's a compelling story that Apple needs to improve upon.

Having ChomeOS as the 'base' - means that Google can work towards a non-clumsy way to move between android/chrome/linux apps. It (should be) seamless to the end user. I like that idea - and am not convinced Apple can do it. Here are (IMO) the major hurdles that Apple will face:

- What do they use for the 'base' operating system of this dual device?
- When will people be able to move and save files
- When will iOS get mouse/trackpad support
- When can this merged OS support multiple users?

and probably most important to Apple:
- How can we keep users locked in to our 'walled-garden'?

Until then, I see the iPad as a consumption device (a nice one) that I can draw on...
 
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topgunn said:
I am sorry, I should have been more clear. By "it", I was referring to the A12X processor. I wonder what the A12X processor could do with active cooling as in a desktop or laptop computer.
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Is there any information available on the performance of the A10X in the :apple:TV? I know its just an unmodified A10X, not one designed specifically to be actively cooled, but there must be a reason, and I'd imagine that's to allow it really let rip!
 
Khedron said:
For a professional computer user the idea that a workflow stops running because you're not watching it is a description of hell.

And if you're not a professional, why do you care about such power?
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One of the primary reasons, that in IT, I cannot even fathom using iOS as a 'daily driver'

To be honest, most of my work doesn't require a super powerful computer (though I do from time to time). Most of my work is remote via SSH sessions or RDP sessions, with some documentation up for good measure.

iOS you'd think would be OK for this. But it's not. 2 minutes (or is it 5 now) before whatever is in the background tombstones and shuts down si not acceptible. I NEED, regardless if i'm physically watching it, my SSH session to stay up and running or I coul potentially lose hours of effort. I NEED to be be able to have 1-2 Docs open at the same time while I update procedures and verify steps.

Can many people and professions get away with the "faux" multitasking of iOS? is it ok in a phone? Sure, But as you start to scale up the workload, the limitations of iOS become more apparent.
 
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Khedron said:
Then kill the unwanted process. Don't design a crippled OS that only allows the currently viewed window to access resources.
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It isn't "crippled". It is just picky about which processes can run in the background. And, BTW, some Apps allow the User to control that.
 
DNichter said:
So an iPad wouldn't be a good fit for you, that doesn't mean it isn't a good fit for someone else. Not everyone's needs are the same.
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That's true, as a developer, I always have higher than average needs. However, I'm not the only one who requires a mouse and professional tools. I do have an iPad, and I love the pencil, but it's just an accessory for doing math and charts. I couldn't use it as my main computer. Photoshop is a good step in the right direction, and I applaud that.
 
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