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This isn’t really all that surprising given that Moore’s Law hasn’t applied for years. It was inevitable that mainstream consumer CPUs would eventually level out and performance between would be marginal.
 
Until they release mouse/trackpad support for the iPad it will never replace a computer for me. The pencil is not a mouse replacement for me either. I would like floating Windows as well but that I could give up for mouse support.
And multi user account capability.
 
I’d say the iPad Pro will render 4K video faster. Not a fair comparison though as the apple chip has a dedicated video encoder unit. Even the a10x renders 4K video faster than a 4 core 15’ 2017 MacBook Pro
What about PQ though? In my past experience ipad encoding has much more artifacts than macos encoders for similar file sizes. I guess if it's just for a youtube channel, it wouldn't matter
 
On what universe does Macbook Pro comes with a mouse?
The post I was replying to said trackpad or mouse, it's the same category of input device and I said "mouse" because that's the most common representative of that category. Neither can be made available on an iPad as long as it doesn't have a mouse cursor.
 
For a professional computer user the idea that a workflow stops running because you're not watching it is a description of hell.

Workflow you don’t need to watch can keep running faster in the cloud (AWS Big instance, et.al.) while not running your battery down. iPad remote viewer/desktop wins.
 
Fair enough, then I expect the full adobe suite next year if thats the case (which I know wont happen). So you are condoning getting a head start on laptop pricing on what might not happen for years??? iPad pro has been out for 3 years and there have only been a handful of major apps like affinity photo that actually utilize anywhere near the A9X, A10X and A12X processors. The damn smart keyboard they have doesn't even have function keys! There is WAAAY more than enough room to include those on the new models. Even the software keyboard on the 12.9 has function keys. There are just too many holes for it to be a laptop replacement for creative professionals (emphasis on creative pros). For the average home user its amazing but better to just get last years pro or the $329 regular model.
"So you are condoning getting a head start on laptop pricing on what might not happen for years???"

I am not condoning or criticizing anything. What I am saying is that Apple has priced these iPad Pros based on the market they intend to target with these devices.

"There are just too many holes for it to be a laptop replacement for creative professionals (emphasis on creative pros)."

That's why post emphasized long-term goals. I never said it would happen overnight or within the next year. I'm looking 5 years out. Starting with iOS 13 things will start to look painfully obvious

https://twitter.com/marcpalmerdev/status/1057783527981441025
 
tbh new mac mini doesnt even have dedicated GPU.
and premiere is notoriously slow rendering in mac vs on pc.

and everything AVID is just a bag of cancer. AVID would be slow and buggy on a quantum super computer.

While it's true that Premiere and AVID are slow and buggy, there really isn't any other option for editing. If you're an editor you just live with having to use one or the other. I've never seen or heard of anyone seriously Final Cut Pro X for actual professional work.
 
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The score means nothing. It's just Geekbench.

It's a very specific task with basic arithmetic. It shows nothing in real world performance as what CPU is truly capable of.

As a whole, x86 CPU is a general purpose CPU, which is different than ARM's original design. The difference become less in the recent years, but its still there. Not to mention the heat and energy consumption for x86 base chips are still decades ahead.

No, Geekbench is not “basic arithmetic.”
 
You forgot to mention IOS, the biggest impediment.

iOS is macOS (which is also Unix).

The sandbox walls hide that fact from you, but not from those who have rooted various older versions of iOS and looked behind the wall. Apple could flip a switch and turn down their sandbox wall rules whenever that becomes profitable and safe (to enable running Xcode on iPads, for instance).
 
No, Geekbench is not “basic arithmetic.”
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the reason why geekbench looks so good on Ax chips vs Intel is the overemphasis on some of the individual benchmarks and that there's less precision on the iOS vs the MacOS on several of those benchmarks?

"So you are condoning getting a head start on laptop pricing on what might not happen for years???"

I am not condoning or criticizing anything. What I am saying is that Apple has priced these iPad Pros based on the market they intend to target with these devices.

"There are just too many holes for it to be a laptop replacement for creative professionals (emphasis on creative pros)."

That's why post emphasized long-term goals. I never said it would happen overnight or within the next year. I'm looking 5 years out. Starting with iOS 13 things will start to look painfully obvious

https://twitter.com/marcpalmerdev/status/1057783527981441025

I have the same argument with the crazy Nvidia fanboys paying $1200 for the RTX 2080ti for nonexistent games. Why pay extra now, when by the time you can actually utilize the power, there will be much faster models?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the reason why geekbench looks so good on Ax chips vs Intel is the overemphasis on some of the individual benchmarks and that there's less precision on the iOS vs the MacOS on several of those benchmarks?

Nope.

For example, did you know that iPad pro scores 10000 on LLVM (compiling) vs the late 2017 mac pro's score of 8000?

The a12x scores are legit.
 
More power to watch Netflix on! Yay! /s

In all seriousness, that 1TB 6GB iPad Pro looks like it'll be great for LumaFusion, drone videos, Photoshop, sketching etc...

I mean, has anyone that thinks this is expensive try to sketch something decent on a Mac/MacBook?

Different professions have different use cases, and this new iPad Pro looks like its main target demo are creative professionals.
 
If that is what you do with your iPad, then yes. However it is a limitation of your usage, not of the OS.

As well as browsing sitting on the sofa, I also use mine for audio production and as a looper/effect/synth/midi-converter/recorder combo (I.e. all of it running at once and connected with Audiobus) and more power is always welcomed.
That said I am still using a 9.7” pro which is just about doing the job at the moment (most of the time, if I don’t push it too far).
THIS!
I have an airpad2 which is admittedly old but at a gig I'm running gig book,and photos for words, and the qsc touch mix app to run the mixer for my band and it sometime lags at a gig! I'd like to run novation launchpad to trigger samples and such..I can't imagine that I couldn't benefit from the new iPad pro 11"..
I think people are missing the point that these new iPads are almost twice as fast a previous models..
If you build it they will come!
Imagine using ableton live on your iPad or other such apps...the future is now!
 
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With Benchmarks being near a 15” MacBook Pro this looks like an excuse to charge Macboom Pro prices for a tablet with just 1 USB-C port and no keyboard
 
During the keynote Apple compared sales of iPads to sales of computers from other PC makers. I actually think Apple is setting up the iPad Pro to be the future of its laptop line and eventually replace the MB / MBP line. Obviously not overnight but think 5 to 10 years where there will be iPad Pros ("laptops") and desktop Macs

Yeah, iOS is obviously where they're putting all the innovation these days. The latest Mac updates, while nice, just felt like they were throwing us Mac users a bone to keep us quiet for a while.
 
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A series of benchmark results have shown up on Geekbench for the new iPad Pro, and its new eight-core A12X Bionic chip is truly a powerhouse.

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The new iPad Pro achieved single-core and multi-core scores of 5,025 and 18,106 respectively based on an average of two benchmark results, making it by far the fastest iPad ever and comparable even to the performance of the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro models with Intel's six-core Core i7 chips.

We've put together a chart that compares Geekbench scores of the new iPad Pro and various other iPad, Mac, and iPhone models.

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That the new iPad Pro rivals the performance of the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro with a 2.6GHz six-core Core i7 processor is impressive, but even more so when you consider that the tablet starts at $799. The aforementioned MacBook Pro configuration is priced at $2,799, although with 512GB of storage.

Even the new 11-inch iPad Pro with 512GB of storage is only $1,149, less than half that of the Core i7-equipped MacBook Pro.

At its special event in Brooklyn on Tuesday, Apple said the new iPad Pro achieves up to 90 percent faster multi-core performance compared to the previous-generation models, and the Geekbench results support that claim. In fact, the new iPad Pro's multi-core score is 94 percent higher than last year's models.

The configured-to-order 15-inch MacBook Pro with a 2.9GHz six-core Core i9 chip is still faster than the new iPad Pro in terms of both single-core and multi-core performance, as is the iMac Pro, but Apple's flagship tablet is quickly becoming one of the fastest products that it sells due to its advanced chip design.

The benchmark results also indicate that the new iPad Pro models have either 4GB or 6GB of RAM depending on the configuration. On Twitter, well-known developer Steve Troughton-Smith said 6GB of RAM is limited to the 1TB configuration, with 4GB of RAM in the 64GB, 256GB, and 512GB configurations.

With the iPad Pro now rivaling some higher-end Macs in performance, there is a compelling case for Apple to start using its own ARM-based A-series chips in some Macs. Apple reportedly plans to do exactly that as early as 2020.

Article Link: New iPad Pro Has Comparable Performance to 2018 15" MacBook Pro in Benchmarks

While some will say it’s not compatible to the capabilities of a laptop, it’s still incredible iPhones and iPads are reaching such high speeds. I remember when I had a treo smartphone back before the first iPhone and it was slow and had extremely limited capabilities. Now these phones and iPads are keep advancing. It’s only a matter of time.
 
It's pretty lazy to say, it only works only if it has what I'm used to. There are many ways to get things done including ways that you haven't tried before.
 
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I remember getting a resume from someone who highlighted his mad iPad skills. And then a list of apps he was expert in. Sadly pc skills were absent. Oh well. Of course his resume looked like he used an iPad.

But you’d be surprised the number of staff accountants I see now with hardly any pc knowledge (no excel??). Heck they can’t even type. And of course they have this look in their eye like you ran over their dog when you tell them to take their iPad home. “Can I use my iPad?” No! Lol. More than before aren’t exactly working out.
 
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ARM macs in 2020.

It does seem they're headed that direction. I wonder... they told us they're working on a new Mac Pro (2019 IIRC); is it out of the question that they'd transition everything, including Mac Pros, to ARM? And is 2019 too early? Not getting my hopes up, but is seems that ARM could eventually be even more powerful than stuff from Intel (especially looking at these current specs).
 
It's not the iPad that has a flexibility problem, it's the software (or lack thereof) for now. Text editing writers have already switched to iPad. Photoshop and AutoCAD users can perform 99% of what they need on iPad pros now. FCPX and Premiere users should be next followed by other creative pros. My point is that if you stop looking at the platform in terms of hardware capabilities compared to other hardware and simply look at it in terms of software that gets your job done, iPad should fully replace laptops in a few years. This is not because it's better but simply because a laptop will be overkill and overpriced.

I don't believe that professional graphic or comic book artists and the like can use an IPP for their primary workhorse. Without a file system, and so no external thumb drive or storage drive connectivity, it's a total
pain to input high res scans, or transfer PS, Sketchbook etc. graphic files, especially multilayer 400 mb monsters, and also the screen is too small to draw on professionally.

Why was the laptop invented? As a portable desktop--same OS same software but mobile.
The IPP will never be a laptop replacement unless it can do everything a desktop can do despite whatever Tim says. It can be a laptop alternative for some users, but not a true replacement.
 
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