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Price held, rather than going up with inflation so in real terms it's slightly cheaper in the US. Buy it with an Apple Card and get 3% cashback.

You get better battery life, a better display, an additional camera, improved video, tougher & more waterproof finish, a faster processor, upgraded charger & a free year of TV+ subs. But you know all that, and you're not obliged to buy one anyway.

I like 3D Touch & it's a shame it's being removed, but lets keep some perspective FFS.
A very US-centric attitude. Prices went UP in my country...
 
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No. You still get space bar cursor function. But, that one is vastly inferior to force touch, given that you cannot move cursor down very much, only up, left and right.

thats not quite true - you long touch the space bar but once trackpad activates you can quickly move your finger to the middle of the keyboard, and you have all the freedom to move the cursor in all directions.
 
Well, looks like I'm stuck on the XS Max. I need 3D Touch for my workflow. I love being able to force touch in my email as I can quick glance it and move on without going into the email and then going back out.
Total mistake here.
 
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3D touch was useful if for nothing else than toggling into nightshift from control center. A shame they got rid of it, it's definitely a step backwards.
 
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Seems non-uniform that they would ditch 3D Touch on their pricey phones but keep it on the watch (because it is a necessary function there).

Seems like a component cost move. Now you know where some of that tariff money is coming from.
 
In other words; Haptic Touch is all software based, 3D Touch was hardware. Makes sense they would do this as the pressure sensitivity never offered any tangible benefits.

I think users of Procreate Pocket might disagree, now that Apple has decided that Samsung shall be the only choice for artists on the go. Not that it was good without a pencil in the first place, but yanking the pressure sensitivity makes it outright useless. For the creators of software that used this feature, it must now seem like a big mistake to have picked the Apple ecosystem over the Android one, as hundreds if not thousands of hours of work have now been flushed down the drain. People learn from such mistakes.

Not a fan of this move.
 
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Time consuming is a major stretch. It takes milliseconds longer. If you are in that much of a hurry, I really for you. Have you used a XR running Haptic Touch on iOS 13?

Your argument makes no sense. Increased refresh rates above 12Hz are about this reduction in perceived latency, giving a smoother feeling to the interface, which continues up to about 200Hz or so, more when playing games (due to the narrow aperture). Same thing with the scan rates of touch inputs. And SSDs. Plus, of course, the snappy, responsive 3D Touch'es, which are now gone.

I've tried using the neutered v13 of iOS, which basically doesn't have working 3D Touch anymore, and it just feels really, really slow and laggy because I'm used to 3D Touch. Just like you don't feel like your hard drive is slow, or that an SSD is a revolutionary improvement when you get one, but start tearing your hair out if you ever go *back* from an SSD to a HDD.

If 3D Touch were available as an option for, say $100-$200, it would be a no-brainer for me. As it is, I have the X, passed on the XS for a lack of notable new features, and will have to pass on the 11 despite its great features, as it'll just aggravate me to use it. After all, premium doesn't mean "looks and feels expensive" as reviewers seem to think, but rather "no hassle, no surprises, no aggravation and doesn't specifically suck at anything", a standard the butterfly-keyboarded laptops were first to fall short of, now followed by the newer generations of flagship iPhones. Good thing it's a closed ecosystem that's hard to leave, and nobody else even pretends to care about privacy.
 
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A very US-centric attitude. Prices went UP in my country...

Mine too - but 3% inflation on £1,299 is £40 anyway. Plus self-immolation of Sterling vs USD. Point stands - there's a lot more bang for buck, your asking for a price reduction for removal of 3D Touch isn't a strong case.
 
Your argument makes no sense. Increased refresh rates above 12Hz are about this reduction in perceived latency, giving a smoother feeling to the interface, which continues up to about 200Hz or so, more when playing games (due to the narrow aperture). Same thing with the scan rates of touch inputs. And SSDs. Plus, of course, the snappy, responsive 3D Touch'es, which are now gone.

I've tried using the neutered v13 of iOS, which basically doesn't have working 3D Touch anymore, and it just feels really, really slow and laggy because I'm used to 3D Touch. Just like you don't feel like your hard drive is slow, or that an SSD is a revolutionary improvement when you get one, but start tearing your hair out if you ever go *back* from an SSD to a HDD.

If 3D Touch were available as an option for, say $100-$200, it would be a no-brainer for me. As it is, I have the X, passed on the XS for a lack of notable new features, and will have to pass on the 11 despite its great features, as it'll just aggravate me to use it. After all, premium doesn't mean "looks and feels expensive" as reviewers seem to think, but rather "no hassle, no surprises, no aggravation and doesn't specifically suck at anything", a standard the butterfly-keyboarded laptops were first to fall short of, now followed by the newer generations of flagship iPhones. Good thing it's a closed ecosystem that's hard to leave, and nobody else even pretends to care about privacy.
I didn't say Haptic Touch was better or as good. I said it was close and it is. I am assuming you have not used a phone with Haptic Touch yet? I am bummed to see 3D Touch go as I was an avid user on my 6S Plus and 7 Plus before getting my XR, but I can tell you, since iOS 13, I don't miss 3D Touch. I've adapted to the ever-so slight increase in time to activate.
 
And so ends the 3D Touch wars. Haptic touch won.

I know that many on these forums love 3D Touch, but in the end it was a power user feature that everyone else had to suffer with expensive displays and less room for the battery.

I owned a 7 for two and a half years and have a XR now and I can barely remember 3D Touch (nor the home button).
 
Almost never used 3d touch..haptic will offer the same functionality plus cheaper for apple and less complicated.. from an investors point of view .. that is good !
Cheaper for Apple. But the consumer doesn’t see any financial benefits.
 
I will miss this soooo much. I'm still rocking my iPhone 7 and 3D Touch is one of the main reasons I'll stick with it for as long as possible. Yet the iPhone 11 Pro seems to be the first smartphone in bigger form factor that seems to appeal to me. I'm really fond of photography. The telephoto/ portrait didn't appeal to me at all, but the seemingly seamless integration of the two with the new wide-angle lens, yes please. But I have no clue how to live without 3D Touch. I just don't have the time nor the patience, and I need about ALL the functionality it offers, not just a lame alternative for sóme of the features of 3D-touch. This was actually one of the few genuinely brilliant human-product interaction interfaces Apple has put out in the last decade. In line with the Magic Mouse, the scroll wheel on the iPod, Pinch to zoom on the first iPhone, the Taptic Engine itself, the Touch Bar (yes, the Touch Bar is brilliant as well for many situations like video sliders, Siri, contextual visual information, Photos scrolling, editing tools, ..). I know Magic is just a clever marketing term but the fluency and intuitiveness of the iPod UI experience has always felt like magic to me. It's a true shame to see it go, and like another member put it, lost opportunity gone forever. You'll be missed, 3D Touch.
 
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And so ends the 3D Touch wars. Haptic touch won.

I know that many on these forums love 3D Touch, but in the end it was a power user feature that everyone else had to suffer with expensive displays and less room for the battery.

I owned a 7 for two and a half years and have a XR now and I can barely remember 3D Touch (nor the home button).
Hard to say if there was much of a "war" -- basically just a decision by Apple. Also not really sure how much room it was taking up as far as allowing for any noticeable battery increases or anything like that.
 
Everyone interested in seeing the difference dramatically, download the free Roli Seaboard 5d synthesizer App and compare real 3d to fake haptic. I use this app everyday for various music production tasks. I compared this Seaboard 5d app on my “3d enabled XS Max” to a fake-touch Haptic XR. XR fake-touch haptic super sucks by comparison! NO WAY AM I DOWNGRADING TO A “PRO”!!! Why is Apple getting cheap on us? This is really day and night difference! Dealbreaker for me! Lack of real pressure kills the expressiveness!
 
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And so ends the 3D Touch wars. Haptic touch won.

I know that many on these forums love 3D Touch, but in the end it was a power user feature that everyone else had to suffer with expensive displays and less room for the battery.

I owned a 7 for two and a half years and have a XR now and I can barely remember 3D Touch (nor the home button).

Do you mean a Pro user feature?
 
After reading the comments in this thread you can really tell who has actually used haptic touch and who hasn’t. Most of the things that people are complaining about losing, like expanding toggles in control centre and moving the cursor you can still do.
 
After reading the comments in this thread you can really tell who has actually used haptic touch and who hasn’t. Most of the things that people are complaining about losing, like expanding toggles in control centre and moving the cursor you can still do.
Most you can do, but not really all, and not really in the same simpler way.
 
Funny enough, I've upgraded to an iPhone XS in April and I still don't understand how to use 3D touch. I haven't actually looked for any documentation, but it looks like it's not intuitive at all...

Edit: it does seem to prevent me from easily opening links in new tabs in Safari though...
 
Another step backwards as it goes. It was kind of obvious that Apple didn't care considering they never added a single feature to it, or added it to the iPad lineup, I hope it doesn't mean they are removing it on Macs or Apple Watch in the future.

It also makes the $1000 iPhone model a less compelling option, given that they clearly stated that as an advantage last year.
 
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