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This looks more like the iPhone 6$
with $ standing for minimum effort and maximum profit.

The non S update cycle usually means a redesign, not a Quasimodo camera lens
 
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They're only stereo if you're watching a lot of vertical videos.

Gotta say I don't really get the 2nd speaker. What, it's just louder? I guess that's an advantage?

Honestly, it is about the better/higher quality speakers. I went from the 6s Plus to the SE, and the speaker quality on the SE is rather poor, one of the short comings to the SE And why I am going back to the iPhone 7 when released. It's immediately evident in the sound quality between the two. I for one, use my speaker phone for the majority of my phone calls, so sound is important to me. If this means the trade off in deleting the 3.5 Jack for a second speaker, so be it, at least it's reported Apple is putting something in place of the Jack I will appreciate (Not everyone does), versus just deleting the Jack, and leaving that area blank where the Jack was previously.
 
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"4.7 vs "4.7

I have been referencing the Moto X or G alot as of late because I think Motorola nailed the perfect ergonomics for me. I believe the 2013 Moto X and G weren't only popular for being price efficient, but they had perfect ergonomics for many people. The Moto X didn't sell sell. Only sold 500K. Not even platinum. Moto G sold millions. But the Moto X brought some cool features that Apple is copying.

Always listening (more a Google idea) = Siri always listening

Motorola Active Display = raise to wake

The iPhone 6 and 7 have similar dimensions to the HTC One M7 but not as angular on the sides. I learn to never to choose a better design over better hand feel. In retrospect, I should have waited for that Moto X than be duped by a prettier design of the M7. Ex-PocketNow reviewer, Michael Fisher was smart and used the Moto X along with his WP.

I hope what Apple copies next is Moto Maker. Doesn't have to copy Project Ara just yet. Too complicated for the average Joe and Jane. An iPhone Maker where we have more options with colors (not just 3-4), material options for the back, and a "4 /"4.5 /"5 /"5.5/"6 display without compromising the specs for them. Building our own smartphone with the specs, design, and size we want is probably still over ten years away. But less complaining about size and ugly design if that happened...

Googorola were really ahead of its time with the Moto X in 2013. I hope Apple copies more of Motorola but they look to copy more of Samsung next year. Long live, Motorola! Even though they are devoured by Lenovo...
 
If this design does turn out to be true then it'll be a bit underwhelming, unless there are some killer features we don't know about.

So far the breakdown is:
-Thinner!!!! (Because that's all that matters to apple)
-Same design (6/6s wasn't a bad design so it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't gonna have people rushing out to buy it either)
-Camera bump got even worse (Didn't think that was possible)
-No Audio Jack (Why??!? This seems like a negative at least in the short term, may make this model a flop among audiophiles)
-Maybe slightly longer battery life? (This is a plus if true)
-Maybe Waterproof? (This would be a plus as well, though in all the years I've had a phone, I never had the urge to swim with it)

So in the end, looks like the ads will just go for thinner/lighter/waterproof. Introducing the iPhonne 6ss, because two s models are better than one. Hope it's enough to bump those sales.
If thinner were ALL that matters to Apple, they would stop there, and your breakdown would, too. It matters. But it isn't all that matters.

No dedicated audio jack won't make it a flop among audiophiles. Of course it will have an audio jack--the digital signal from the lightning port. Audiophiles will try to get the best sound they can, and won't mind spending on headphones and other equipment to get the best DAC and quality out of the lightning port to hear their high bit rate musical tracks.

There's also a set of audiophiles who won't listen to anything digital. They play their music at home on analog vinyl discs, with the sound routed through amplifiers with real tubes to giant home-built Klipschorns (where the kittens like to play when they're not in use). They were never going to buy an iPhone for music playback whether or not it had a 3.5mm single-purpose port for listening to music that's been digitized and then converted back to analog! If they buy iPhones, it's for other reasons, and the removal of the legacy jack won't make a difference.
 
Not quite -- they spent years designing the *next* iPhone. After all this time, how is that you *still* don't understand the way designs things such that way iteration sets up for future designs; normally, all coming full circle in some sort of major design change.

Rumor has it that the iPhone 8 will present a major design change: an extremely thin design with an embedded 3D/force touch home button and Touch ID embedded within the new curved, OLED glass display. Possibly the front face in its entirety being a large touch screen, with the speakers and other components on the face being embedded under the screen as well. This may as well even imply force-touch sensitive volume controls and wake buttons along the side.
The chassis may also finally be made of liquid metal, which will bolster the durability of the phone.
Basically, a completely physical-button free design in a thinner and stronger casing. That is a huge step forward, as that means less hardware that could break.

The iPhone 7 is introducing these concept by removing the headphone jack and proving that can offer more with less. This phone will be successful, but it is, largely, the stepping stone between the 6S and the 8. With such major design changes rumored for the 2017 phone, a "tick-tock-tock" cycle is justified.
If these rumors pan out, you will see the Apple Magic return next year in a big way. Innovation takes time, and Apple, unlike other companies, does not like to rush things out to make a buck.
I understand and know the process perfectly. My girlfriend is an industrial engineer/designer.

It still doesn't change the fact that we will have had the same design for 3 years in an industry with so much competition. Apple really have to be aware of that so they don't loose to much traction.
 
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Let me get this straight:

You fabricate something (that I'm telling people I'm getting the next iPhone), and then use your fabrication to claim I'm the kettle meeting the pot?

Are you not able to discuss things people ACTUALLY said, or do you need to make up something you THINK they said in order to try and make a point?

i just made a sarcastic reply to your sarcastic reply. You are correct it's not based on facts, as neither was your reply.

Summary: two silly replies. And look....you took offence at the treatment you are dishing out to others in the forum ...... Hello ;)
 
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In the background of that video you can hear Pink There You Go.
Is this the year 2000?
 
So Apple's designers spent 2 years designing that?

Seriously, Apple.... You've lost your magic.
Maybe Apple have been working on new deign like we all expect every 2 years, but something has gone wrong in the process and Apple decided to just to another small update to the current form factor. I am just speculating, Jonny could have come up with a design that everyone liked but then there was some massive and unexpected manufacturing problem.

... or Apple could be saving the new design the the 10th anniversary iPhone next year.
 
The wireless charging that has been talked about for the iPhone is NOT like the Palm Pre. It wouldn't require placing the phone on a charging pad. You could be within a couple of meters of the charger, and it would charge through the air. You can even use it while it's charging, without a tether to the wall. The Pre can't do that.
I really don't know if that much radiation is safe. Might give some guys a warm feeling. But a feeling I wouldn't want.

Where I used to work, I've seen too many RF Engineers using wired earphones or Bluetooth pieces when using their smartphones or regular cellphones.

Too much of an RF environment is bad for ones body.
 
I understand and know the process perfectly. My girlfriend is an industrial engineer/designer.

It still doesn't change the fact that we will have had the same design for 3 years in an industry with so much competition. Apple really have to be aware of that so they don't loose to much traction.
That may have been true years ago, but it seems to me that competition seems to be petering out more or less. The smartphone market is getting saturated, and upgrade cycles are expected to slow down. Technological improvements are getting more and more marginal. By this time, people have more or less made their choice as to whether they want to stick with iOS or Android.

It's possible that Apple simply feels comfortable enough to slide into a 3-year upgrade cycle, especially if they keep pushing their annual upgrade policy, where your customer base is assured of buying your next iPhone regardless of what features it may have.
 
If thinner were ALL that matters to Apple, they would stop there, and your breakdown would, too. It matters. But it isn't all that matters.

No dedicated audio jack won't make it a flop among audiophiles. Of course it will have an audio jack--the digital signal from the lightning port. Audiophiles will try to get the best sound they can, and won't mind spending on headphones and other equipment to get the best DAC and quality out of the lightning port to hear their high bit rate musical tracks.

There's also a set of audiophiles who won't listen to anything digital. They play their music at home on analog vinyl discs, with the sound routed through amplifiers with real tubes to giant home-built Klipschorns (where the kittens like to play when they're not in use). They were never going to buy an iPhone for music playback whether or not it had a 3.5mm single-purpose port for listening to music that's been digitized and then converted back to analog! If they buy iPhones, it's for other reasons, and the removal of the legacy jack won't make a difference.

It's not how it works.

No audiophile is using the 3.5mm jack for playback . The issue is not the 3.5mm jack, it's the internal DAC they wish to bypass.

For years audiophiles have bypassed the headphone jack and used the lighting port on iPhones . The point is the iPhone is a poor transport due to the cables needed and crap capacity of storage .

No audiophile is going to buy lighting cable heaphones to replace thier higher end gear heaphones, as they've will be far inferior to what they already have.

What the current iPhone with its 3.5mm provides is convieniet Audio playback , just as it acts like a great little camera while your DSLR gear is at home. And removing it, does not improve the situation of best possible audio playback that we have right now, just takes away the convienice

In summary, the iPhone is a poor transport due to storage and cables needed, the iPhone today acting as a transport will be identical to when the iPhone 7 launches , audiophiles do not use the 3.5mm jack for playback. The biggest killer to the iPhone being used by audiophiles is the crap quality of files supported by iTunes
 
I have a feeling its fake. The model number doesn't make sense.

On the last image if you zoom in (its a bit blurry) but it looks like its says A1524. That can't be right as thats a model number for the iPhone 6 Plus.

Also if you go to the original article on nowhereelse.fr and look at the image of the 'leaked iPhone 7' the model number is A1524.
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Are iphones cool? Don't think that's really a good analogy, but meh.
it was a euphemism. by "cool" phone i meant "best selling popular phone that everyone and their mother had to have" until it was no longer the best selling, popular phone that everyone and their mother had to have. and the end came fast.

And for those of us who have been around long enough, you know how well that ended up working out for Motorola.
 
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So many people here loosing their **** over looks SMH. As long as the changes mean much improved internals. Who cares what the outside looks like!

My guess is the majority are guys in their high school or junior college cafeteria at lunch time comparing their phone with others at the table. A "my phone is more bad ass than yours" sort of thing, but still coveting the baddest one at the table.
 
The smartphone market is getting saturated, and upgrade cycles are expected to slow down. Technological improvements are getting more and more marginal.
Welcome to the most competitive area in consumer technology..
Where Samsung and the likes will wash your head off with foldable screens, nanotechnology, unbreakable housing, far better batteries, next gen OLED, and camera's as they already have.
But let's keep confidence in our 3 musketeers of boredom:
Joni ("cannot design anymore") doesn't need to deliver, as Eddy ("no content deals") has nothing to play and Phil ("sell the same audience 3x the same design") rather innovates his ass...
 
Having this big camera even closer to the edge seems counterproductive for drop protection. I already cracked the 6's sapphire cover
 
So many people here loosing their **** over looks SMH. As long as the changes mean much improved internals. Who cares what the outside looks like!

That's the attitude.

Out of interest, how do you think Apple gained so much popularity over the last decade or so? Was it through their software and internals of the *cough* "powerhouse" iMacs and Macbooks? Or perhaps was it because of their amazing design and execution? The fact they're in every TV program/film - would that be the case if they just had great internals in a standard looking PC tower + monitor? Do you think the iPhone would have catapulted Apple to the lofty heights they're at now if it looked like a generic Blackberry or Nokia?

You praise the internals yet iOS has been less and less reliable over recent years, so many bug fixing updates, you can "SMH" all you like but it's true.

I argue Apple's case all the time on other sites despite the constant "sheep" abuse but then I come back here and realise maybe I'm fighting the wrong corner because so many really will just buy any old crap with an Apple logo it seems. So now design isn't important to Apple followers... What's next? Reliability not important? Price not important? Nothing actually important as long as it has the Apple logo?
 
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What are you all on about? The camera is clearly bigger to take better photos. That works for me. If you're that fussed about 'a bump' go back to your iPhone 5s.


The camera looks worse because it's bigger and doesn't have that shiny edge.

Wow, that bump looks horrible, hopefully, its only because its a mock up and not the actual phone.

That's one ugly bump you have there. You should pay someone to remove that.

Fugly protruding camera
 
That camera bump looks like it was made by a "cheap" stamped metal process and please don't tell me we lost the 3.5mm headphone jack so that Apple could add a second speaker. If the latter is all they've done to account for the loss of the headphone jack then Apple really, really needs to start thinking different.

Actually that's the one thing Apple could really do with the "7" that might surprise everyone - drop the price. Everything about this design smacks of cost-cutting, removing features, same form factor so likely unchanged screen/buttons, stamped-looking camera cut-out rather than with trim ring - if this came out $100 cheaper than the 6S when it was launched they'd be on to a winner.

Knowing Apple it'll probably cost more though, just more margin for them...
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What are you all on about? The camera is clearly bigger to take better photos. That works for me. If you're that fussed about 'a bump' go back to your iPhone 5s.

So make the phone thicker rather than thinner. Can make the battery larger at the same time. THAT is what people are complaining about. Stop trying to make the phone thinner, make it the "right" size for the tech that's in it and all the better for it.
 
We've reached a point where upgrading cycles are going to take longer than before. That's not a secret.
It doesn't matter if it's Android or iOS: smartphone penetration in major markets has already reached a peak so people doesn't have to upgrade their devices as frequently.
Apple seems to be ready for that, by extending the life of the current industrial design a third year with minor visual tweaks but, for sure, important performance improvements.
They can save the costs of producing a new design to compensate for the decline of sales while holding major design changes for another year and thus set the pace for a new, longer upgrading cycle for the iPhone, more similar to iPads or Macs.
I think this strategy will save Apple a lot of money while other companies might try to eat their piece of the pie by presenting new models each year-ish, losing lots money in the attempt because, again, people won't upgrade their perfectly fine 2+ years old high-end phone only because it has a new form factor. This isn't going to make the investment worth it anymore (unless you're rich, of course).
 
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boring,very expensive as usual,so 5se sellings will hit the sky,no new macbook pro or Air...or Mac Pro,Apple can do clearly more than this.
 
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