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that's because if you got 3G activated on your phone, but a bad coverage, your mobile phone will search a better network 24/7 (=huge power consumption)!

Yes i know!

As far as 3g goes, i live in brighton, see this link. http://www.webmap.o2.co.uk/map.asp

Good coverage (for VIDEO CALLS ie 3G) so the phone is NOT having to strain to hold on to a connection and the battery life with 3g on is still bad.
 
Wasnt there news of a new 3G chip, the one supposedly in the iphone, that wasnt near any other 3G chips in regards of battery draining? :rolleyes:

correct me if i'm wrong, that was too recent an acquisition to be in June's 3G iPhone. Although with Apple you never know.
 
thicker????!!!

I seriously think anyone who believes that apple might release a thicker iphone is way out of touch. In mobile phones one either maintains the size or makes it thinner/smaller. A thicker iphone may have some appeal to a very specific market but it's definitely not something that sells well in mass. Apple will either taper the existing size down or go slimmer all together they will NOT make a thicker phone. That I can promise you.

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I seriously think anyone who believes that apple might release a thicker iphone is way out of touch. In mobile phones one either maintains the size or makes it thinner/smaller. A thicker iphone may have some appeal to a very specific market but it's definitely not something that sells well in mass. Apple will either taper the existing size down or go slimmer all together they will NOT make a thicker phone. That I can promise you.

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Totally agree.



...not on your promise though...:p
 
I remember reading a post saying iPhone 2.0 should have 64gb, I agree, however it wont be cheap, my predictions are...

16gb, 3G, no GPS $399
32gb, 3G, GPS, $599
64gb, 3G, GPS $699

completely phasing out 8gb edge iPhone. The more expensive models should have subsidiary rebates with a 2 yr agreement of up to $200 off from AT&T.
And of course, in October the "16 GB no GPS" will be discontinued and the 32 GB and 64 GB will have a $200 price cut, leading to more howling in the MacRumors forums ... :D
 
The point is not that you get all three in the long run, but that when making the next iteration or version, you can only pick two. In the case of the iPhone, in 10 years, of course we'll have 3g (4g? 5g?), better battery life, a 5mm phone, GPS 2.0, cost $99 and probably have a ton of other technologies we haven't come up with yet. Hell, it'll probably be a satellite phone or something by then. The problem is that technology changes slowly enough that we can't make all of those changes in the course of a year, but we could probably make one or two.

The bike example works because stronger, lighter and cheaper are the features that bikers want, but its very difficult to make the next version of the same bike with all three.
This is similar to a line I've heard spoken about development projects in general, "On time, on budget, works ... pick any two."
 
why GPS?

:confused: GPS continues to seemingly make its way back into the 2nd Gen iPhone rumors and i don't see why. being a Nuvi owner, i really can't tell why Apple would want to implement a GPS navigator into the iPhone. Apple is dead serious about practicality (no video on the iPod till the 5th Gen) and battery life.

plus, what experience does Apple have with GPS navigation? i don't see why they would want to improve the GPS market cause Garmin, Magellan and Tom-Tom all make ok user interfaces with their units. they made the iPhone because the majority of cell phones were barely usable but people have no complaints about their GPS units.

and if GPS is not for navigation... then do people really care about where they are in a map that badly that they can't use triangulation and look at street signs?
 
:confused: GPS continues to seemingly make its way back into the 2nd Gen iPhone rumors and i don't see why. being a Nuvi owner, i really can't tell why Apple would want to implement a GPS navigator into the iPhone. Apple is dead serious about practicality (no video on the iPod till the 5th Gen) and battery life.

plus, what experience does Apple have with GPS navigation? i don't see why they would want to improve the GPS market cause Garmin, Magellan and Tom-Tom all make ok user interfaces with their units. they made the iPhone because the majority of cell phones were barely usable but people have no complaints about their GPS units.

and if GPS is not for navigation... then do people really care about where they are in a map that badly that they can't use triangulation and look at street signs?
I want GPS because I don't have a portable unit (was going to buy one last year but have been holding out for the iPhone to have GPS.) That way I don't need to carry 2 things when I am driving around. You always have your phone with you so it just gets rid of one thing to bring with you. I think it would be a great idea and a good selling point for some people.
 
:confused: GPS continues to seemingly make its way back into the 2nd Gen iPhone rumors and i don't see why. being a Nuvi owner, i really can't tell why Apple would want to implement a GPS navigator into the iPhone. Apple is dead serious about practicality (no video on the iPod till the 5th Gen) and battery life.

plus, what experience does Apple have with GPS navigation? i don't see why they would want to improve the GPS market cause Garmin, Magellan and Tom-Tom all make ok user interfaces with their units. they made the iPhone because the majority of cell phones were barely usable but people have no complaints about their GPS units.

and if GPS is not for navigation... then do people really care about where they are in a map that badly that they can't use triangulation and look at street signs?

First of all I dont think the main goal is to compete with Garmin and TomTom etc, but instead Nokia and the other cellphone companies. Though IF Apple would want to aim at Car integration and Garmin-TomTom-market I dont see why they wouldnt succeed. They have practically changed the whole cellphone market in just a year and the iphone is by far the most successful phone in history.
 
First of all I dont think the main goal is to compete with Garmin and TomTom etc, but instead Nokia and the other cellphone companies. Though IF Apple would want to aim at Car integration and Garmin-TomTom-market I dont see why they wouldnt succeed. They have practically changed the whole cellphone market in just a year and the iphone is by far the most successful phone in history.

What would stop Garmin or TomTom from releasing a application that used the GPS chip?
 
i think GPS in the iphone is really silly and redundant.. yes, it MIGHT cut down on one less gadget you have to carry, but then again, it adds to the amount of time you are actively using your phone which means you are more likely to burn through your battery more quickly.. Also, what about the ipod part of the phone.. if you are driving down the street, using your GPS, listening to Music and taking phone calls while running on 3G, what do you think your battery life will be like? And if you just leave it plugged in, you batter will last longer day to day, but there is more of a chance of it just flat out dying sooner than a normal phone battery.

Also, with GPS, do you think you will be able to actually multitask while using it? CAN you actually answer a call while still listening to a turn by turn directions?
 
To tell you the truth, I don't think Apple is actually competing with anyone at all. They truly just strive to make good products that people will enjoy and get much use from. It just so happens that they are extremely good at what they do. Therefore, Apple might appear to be competing but their heart is on making revolutionary products for the consumer, not trying to outdo the next man. :cool:
 
i think GPS in the iphone is really silly and redundant.. yes, it MIGHT cut down on one less gadget you have to carry, but then again, it adds to the amount of time you are actively using your phone which means you are more likely to burn through your battery more quickly.. Also, what about the ipod part of the phone.. if you are driving down the street, using your GPS, listening to Music and taking phone calls while running on 3G, what do you think your battery life will be like? And if you just leave it plugged in, you batter will last longer day to day, but there is more of a chance of it just flat out dying sooner than a normal phone battery.

Also, with GPS, do you think you will be able to actually multitask while using it? CAN you actually answer a call while still listening to a turn by turn directions?

I think the addition of GPS functionality will be brilliantly done by Apple. I'm sure they have taken battery life into concern and have something up their sleeve. As far as the whole phone call, GPS mix up thing, we have already seen how fluidly applications are run on the iphone and on Apple products in general. They will come up with something, i.e. maybe it lets you know you have a call by coming up on the screen and or vibrating but doesn't interrupt GPS with a ring. ;)
 
i think GPS in the iphone is really silly and redundant.. yes, it MIGHT cut down on one less gadget you have to carry, but then again, it adds to the amount of time you are actively using your phone which means you are more likely to burn through your battery more quickly.. Also, what about the ipod part of the phone.. if you are driving down the street, using your GPS, listening to Music and taking phone calls while running on 3G, what do you think your battery life will be like? And if you just leave it plugged in, you batter will last longer day to day, but there is more of a chance of it just flat out dying sooner than a normal phone battery.

Also, with GPS, do you think you will be able to actually multitask while using it? CAN you actually answer a call while still listening to a turn by turn directions?

Being all one device, you could easily mount it on your dash/windshield with a charge cable while making/receiving calls and directions over a) Bluetooth, b) Speakerphone, or c) Stereo system. Battery's hardly an argument in this case because standalone units are nearly always plugged in, and it's a cinch to provide the same functionality for the iPhone.

Moot argument.
 
The battery will be an issue. Talk to anyone with a 3G phone and they'll tell you how fast actually using 3G drains the battery. the new iPhone is supposed to have an option to turn off 3G, which suggests that there's no quantum leap forward in battery technology.

They're simply adding the 3G technology that many have been clamouring for, and giving you fair warning that you'd better not stray too far from a power supply with it fired up.

If there's an option to turn 3G off (which I've heard as well), I wonder if EDGE would still be an option giving the iPhone owner a choice between EDGE, 3G or Wireless.

Wishful thinking? Probably...
 
Being all one device, you could easily mount it on your dash/windshield with a charge cable while making/receiving calls and directions over a) Bluetooth, b) Speakerphone, or c) Stereo system. Battery's hardly an argument in this case because standalone units are nearly always plugged in, and it's a cinch to provide the same functionality for the iPhone.

Moot argument.

Agreed! I already do this on road trips with my 1st gen iPhone. ount it, plug it in and play music thru the whole trip.
 
What could be a possibility, and bad ass if while the music is blasting, the gps turns it down so you can hear your direction. What ever it is, I'm sure it will be something we haven't seen before.
 
GPS positions can also be shared among friends and family, allowing crazed overprotective mothers to track their children around town or keep them in a certain perimeter, among other uses.

Someone in another thread proposed a chat app that tracked the location of the participants... so an acquaintance would know when it was OK to rob your house :D
 
There are /three/ whole towers in this entire town of 23,935. Explain to me how I'm supposed to get better than 10 ft accuracy with that?

It all depends on the frequency that the cell service provider operates at. 3G providers operate in the 100s of MHz range. The wavelength for a 1GHz frequency is about 29cm. You can triangulate your position to within about a wavelength if the multiplexer operates at a sufficiently high frequency, which is pretty trivial. So with three towers in your town you should be able to nail it pretty well. The real accuracy will be lower and, in fact, in some cases they fuzz the numbers to reduce the accuracy somewhat. This is, in part, a safety feature so that someone can't as easily use a cell phone to trigger bombs with exceptional accuracy. I probably don't have this all exactly right and if you know otherwise then please share.
 
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