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I'm totally with you there.
I have a GPS in my car. I don't need one elsewhere.

I don't own a car (and don't want to) and I use the current pseudo-gps feature all the time. I would love to have gps to navigate the city. It's extremely useful in new york and large cities. I would probably use it more than the phone itself, especially considering that the feature will open up new ways of networking with other users.
 
I have been racking my brain to figure that out too and only one thing comes to mind!!!!!!!!!! OLED :D That would also explain the $700 price we heard about and why they would allow subsidizing now!

OLED do not have high res panels for mobile.
Take a look on Japanese market, those phones with 3 inch OLED are WQVGA while those with 3 inch LCD is WVGA.
OLED have great colour and contrast, but its expensive, and its low res at this moment.
If apple still want to keep iPhone's screen low res, OLED is possible....but it will be very disappointed...
 
Why is it so hard to have the new iPhone automatically switch to 3G when Safari is active or other data apps. Then after a 5 min time frame with no heavy data access, revert to Edge?

We're talking about frickin' lines of IF statements or whatever the Unix equivalent is. I'm no programmer but I could easily come up with SIMPLE ideas that would FIX many complaints.
 
I can't wait for the day I can look at my sexy-as-hell 1st gen iPhone and laugh at how clunky it looks compared to whatever's current.

Compare a 1st gen (or 2nd or 3rd) iPod to the current one and think about how awesome the iPhone will be in 5 years.

Haha, I like that. :cool:
 
With the Rose rumour of 2 new iPhones, I think Gizmodo may have info for both phones...nano phone is thinner, fully featured bigger...

My goodness. No offense but why, why do people keep adding the word nano onto everything after the release of the ipod nano? The ipod was small like that for a purpose and was limited in function in a sense compared to the touch and iphone. hence the name nano. Why on earth would you want a nano phone that you would have to dial and surf on with your pinky and use a magnifying glass to read ? :cool:
 
I think we're talking about two phones:

iPhone: 3G, GPS, 16GB for $549 or 32GB for $699

iPhone Nano: Same specs as the current 16GB iPhone but smaller for $299.

I agree. Now this makes sense.

New iPhone: 3G, GPS, thicker, but with tapered edges (like Mac Book Air).

Now take the current iPhone, make it thinner and smaller, make the screen smaller (and improve battery life in the process), cut the price a bit, keep the EDGE, and call it iPhone Nano or something. Now Apple can expand market share by grabbing those who do not need a top-of-the-line phone. And Apple won't greatly upset anyone who recently bought the current iPhone, as their phone still would slot into the middle of the new lineup, and wouldn't be obsolete, per se.
 
I dont think though, like ratboy said that they would INCREASE the price. I believe it will either stay the same or become lower, maybe by subsidies as well.
 
I'm sure that with the passage of time, bikes have become better on all 3 counts.

I'm no pro, but bikes I had in the 80s were heavy, breaky pieces of crap, and I remember paying about as much for them as I would for a new one today, and probably less.

The point is not that you get all three in the long run, but that when making the next iteration or version, you can only pick two. In the case of the iPhone, in 10 years, of course we'll have 3g (4g? 5g?), better battery life, a 5mm phone, GPS 2.0, cost $99 and probably have a ton of other technologies we haven't come up with yet. Hell, it'll probably be a satellite phone or something by then. The problem is that technology changes slowly enough that we can't make all of those changes in the course of a year, but we could probably make one or two.

The bike example works because stronger, lighter and cheaper are the features that bikers want, but its very difficult to make the next version of the same bike with all three.
 
I don't see a use for a GPS chipset in a phone. If you have cellphone coverage, it should be possible to triangulate your position thru cell towers.

There are /three/ whole towers in this entire town of 23,935. Explain to me how I'm supposed to get better than 10 ft accuracy with that?
 
3.2 is plenty on a phone. You're not taking huge landscape shots usually, just people and events kinda stuff. What I'd rather see than more megapixels (because I agree the phone needs an upgrade) is autofocus and an LED "flash".

adding megapixels to a tiny lens still resorts in crappy photos. sure, they're bigger photos, but they'll still lack depth.
 
This is slightly off topic but kinda pertains...

A month ago my iPhone got water damage, instantly turning it into a paper weight. While apple wouldn't help out, AT&T, for some reason, is allowing me to resign a new 2 year contract and get any phone for the subsidized contract price.

If the new iPhone does have a subsidized price, do you think I will qualify for it?

Either way, I'll at least get a good price on a nice phone and sell it on eBay and buy the new iPhone.
 
There are /three/ whole towers in this entire town of 23,935. Explain to me how I'm supposed to get better than 10 ft accuracy with that?

Sony's "Place Engine" may help you (Wi-fi based)
http://www.placeengine.com/

Developers are making Place Engine client for iPod Touch.
There is a Mac version too.

adding megapixels to a tiny lens still resorts in crappy photos. sure, they're bigger photos, but they'll still lack depth.

Not even camera on mobile phones lack depth. Compact camera is the same case..
So....personally I wont expect to take a DSLR class photo on my mobile, but having over 3mp is a must for snap shots and note taking.
 
I recall in mid-May several rumors about 3 models. Most ppl thought they meant 3 colors n configurations(white,black, and other(8gb, 16gb, 32gb)). Now maybe, just maybe its 3 models as in lines. They all got the same specs(as in colors and space) now ther is the 200$ iPhone(current EDGE one). Then, we got a mid range one with 3G, better camera and all the new hardware(maybe GPS). Then thers the hi-end 3G, 3mps, GPS, 32gb, super iPhone. prices are 200$-300$, EDGE. The basic 3G(400ish-500), and the hi-end speced iPhone at 650 at most. These are just a off-my-mind thoughts. Please give thoughts and feedback.:apple:
 
I don't see how it can be thinner, better battery AND 3g/GPS. Something has to give. /QUOTE]

But the battery life is the issue. Thinner means smaller battery. GPS and 3G mean larger drain on that battery. It doesn't add up.

First of all, If the claims of better battery life is true, Then I'd surely bet that there will be an asterisk next to the claim that points out that the stated battery life is measured with WIFI, GPS, Forward-facing cam, and potentially even UMTS/3G disabled.

But at the same time, a lighter/thinner 3G iPhone with better battery life is not necessarily wishful thinking. With regards to hardware improvements, people need to remember how fast integrated-circuit technology moves, particularly in microprocessors, embedded systems, telecommunications, etc. Since the first iPhone's parts were sourced, embedded chip manufacturers have moved to smaller processing nodes, with many chips going from 110/90nm down to 55nm/65nm. This leads to smaller die sizes and better power efficiency.

There are also always continuing advancements in chip integration and optimization. For communications, Maybe iPhone 3G has a special SoC ARM processor that not only is more power efficient from a die-shrink, but has improved architecture and algorithms. Maybe the iPhone 3G uses an advanced baseband chip that is smaller, yet includes UMTS, WiFi, and GPS all on one chip and thereby saves significant physical space which and allows the iPhone to be thinner, but have a larger battery at the same time. All I'm saying is that most of us don't know enough to be able to accurately predict whether they can pull this off the type of improvements in the rumor or not. We need an experienced mobile phone/embedded systems engineer to comment on recent developments in this technology area.

One final thing to think about that someone else mentioned in this thread is that Apple probably didn't use the smallest/most power efficient/most modern components available, so as to save some headroom for iPhone v2 improvements (and reduce costs).



The battery will be an issue. Talk to anyone with a 3G phone and they'll tell you how fast actually using 3G drains the battery. the new iPhone is supposed to have an option to turn off 3G, which suggests that there's no quantum leap forward in battery technology. They're simply adding the 3G technology that many have been clamouring for, and giving you fair warning that you'd better not stray too far from a power supply with it fired up.

Well I have had a few different 3G phones, and it really comes down to the model. There are many that have *terrible* battery life in the 3-3.5 hour talk-time range, and there are those that have 8-9 hour talk-time. We'll just have to see when it comes out, but it is good that Apple let's people voluntarily restrict their phone to GSM/EDGE to squeeze more talk-time out of it. Most UMTS chips use more power when in use for voice/data than GSM chips, but they are actually a little bit more efficient while idling.


My concern is that it will come with the GPS module but to actually make use of it, you have to buy GPS software from a third party such as Garmin.

Highly unlikely, at least for basic access through Google maps, et al. You may be correct in regards to full-featured "3d view" navigation software akin to that on automotive GPS devices. However, I wouldn't doubt that Google has something similar in the works for android that may end up on the iPhone as well. Or something that Apple will include in the new iPhone OS. I'm sure Apple and google could team up and make a sweet-ass GPS navigation app!


Am I the only one that really doesn't care about GPS? I mean honestly I don't see a PRACTICAL use for it. I'm not going to be staring at my iPhone while driving, and it's certainly not going to top the features of a Garmin. Ok, geotargeting pictures or something, wonderful.

Um, yes, I think you are. No, but seriously, I think you are underestimating all of the possible applications. GPS is certainly not just useful for interactive driving directions, although I'm absolutely sure people will use it for that with a dashboard iPhone mount. GPS is great for quick retrieval of
location-based information when you are out of town on a trip. The first thing I do when I get to a hotel room or friends house in a new city is look up google maps (over WiFi on my ipod touch) and check out where I am at relative to everything else --- areas of interest I will want to check out, restaurants close-by, movie theaters, seedy porn shops :eek:, etc. The same thing applies closer to home if you live in a large city and are trying to find something.

GPS positions can also be shared among friends and family, allowing crazed overprotective mothers to track their children around town or keep them in a certain perimeter, among other uses. And the commercial possibilities of so called "location-based services" are going to be huge during the next decade.



I don't see a use for a GPS chipset in a phone. If you have cellphone coverage, it should be possible to triangulate your position thru cell towers. Good technology if you are out in the boonies, but for most in North America, not needed.

HAHAHA! Are you saying most in North America don't actually live "out in the boonies"? I know that of two phones I've had with google maps, neither has been able to get a location in any city I've been in. And besides the fact that cellular triangulation is never going to be suitably accurate, you surely don't want the cellphone companies controlling the positioning services of your phone with so-called A-GPS or whatever. Look at Verizon for god sakes, they CHARGE $20/month just to get cell-tower assisted GPS directions. Rip-off! I want an actual GPS chip that I can control, and for which I can always have different software to use it with.

There is no GPS support in the iphone OS 2.0 betas so I am 97% certain the new iPhone won't have a GPS and it will continue to use the cellular and wifi technique which is faster and works indoors.

I'm 97% sure that it was already reported that extensive references to GPS and location services were found in the new firmware code. The Cellular/Wifi technique sucks because it only works in major cities, and even then only in certain locations. I sure haven't been able to get it to work well with Google maps. Also, you want a GPS chip so that any standard software application will be able to use the coordinates, and it will always be much more accurate, good enough for real driving directions.
 
The battery will be an issue. Talk to anyone with a 3G phone and they'll tell you how fast actually using 3G drains the battery. the new iPhone is supposed to have an option to turn off 3G, which suggests that there's no quantum leap forward in battery technology.

They're simply adding the 3G technology that many have been clamouring for, and giving you fair warning that you'd better not stray too far from a power supply with it fired up.

Yep, im with you on this. They will of course say its going to have 3g, GPS thinner and better battery life, but unless they have secretly come up with a new amazing power source, you wont have all these new toys switched on at the same time AND still have a better battery life!
 
Nah. A self-contained GPS receiver (the 3rd party kind that connects to a bluetooth phone, not a TomTom or Garmin with screen and speaker) runs about 30 hours on a regular 2800 mAh battery. The chip that would be built into a phone requires barely any power at all, since it's soldered directly into the motherboard and doesn't have send anything.
And 3G...no, with a dense network, it wouldn't require much more power than a GSM/GPRS setup either.

I agree on the GPS power consumption, but not 3g. My SEW880 doesnt last more than 3 days with 3g on, and we're have a dense network here (o2). Without 3g the phone will last a week easily.
 
I agree on the GPS power consumption, but not 3g. My SEW880 doesnt last more than 3 days with 3g on, and we're have a dense network here (o2). Without 3g the phone will last a week easily.

that's because if you got 3G activated on your phone, but a bad coverage, your mobile phone will search a better network 24/7 (=huge power consumption)!
 
Wasnt there news of a new 3G chip, the one supposedly in the iphone, that wasnt near any other 3G chips in regards of battery draining? :rolleyes:
 
My goodness. No offense but why, why do people keep adding the word nano onto everything after the release of the ipod nano? The ipod was small like that for a purpose and was limited in function in a sense compared to the touch and iphone. hence the name nano. Why on earth would you want a nano phone that you would have to dial and surf on with your pinky and use a magnifying glass to read ? :cool:

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