New iPhone SE Could Launch in May With Touch ID and A10 Fusion, Without 3.5mm Headphone Jack

[bluecoast]

The Apple under Steve (who kept Jony in check) wasn't perfect but the products always felt like they were designed for the best overall customer experience.

Today's Apple under Jony & Tim is far from perfect and the products continually feel like outputs of a minimalism design contest, focusing on what Jony feels is best and which, of course, the customer should just adjust to. Getting pretty tired of the offerings veering farther and farther from I feel "just works" and is convenient/efficient to use, and farther from even being "fun" to use.

Really agree with you there. Even though Jony is obviously a genius, too often it feels that he’s allowed to be self indulgent under Cook.

The gold Apple Watch Edition is probably the nadir.

It seemed to exist simply because Jony wanted to work with a gold alloy, with a secondary dubious rationale of Apple wanting to hoover up some of the high end after market alteration $s.

And I suspect that the new Apple HQ took his mind off the MacBook Pro and allowed the general slide in UX quality that has come to a head in iOS 11. Mind you, he did look after the team that produced the X in that time too.

Let’s be optimistic about the products for this year. And not forget that even though Apple’s choices can sometimes be infuriating, that when you use the competition, you realise how far ahead Apple is.

However, it’s right that we hold them to such a high standard.

 

[deanthedev]

Check out any speed test. Benchmarks mean nothing without real world performance. And in real world performance, iPhone comes in last place. It can't even multitask, and still loses to cheaper handsets. Embarrassing to say the least. Apple needs to work on R&D.

I've checked them out, including tests on my S7, S8, S9 and Pixel. The 7P/X beats them all. Curious, do you own all of these devices so you can conduct your own tests? If not, can you suggest some Apps for me to run on my devices to compare "real world performance"? Then you can't claim bias (that I cherry picked certain Apps to make the iPhone look better).

See how easy I'm making this for you? I'm letting you pick the Apps for me to test. That's how confident I am the iPhone will come out on top.

 

[Regime2008]

I've checked them out, including tests on my S7, S8, S9 and Pixel. The 7P/X beats them all. Curious, do you own all of these devices so you can conduct your own tests? If not, can you suggest some Apps for me to run on my devices to compare "real world performance"? Then you can't claim bias (that I cherry picked certain Apps to make the iPhone look better).

See how easy I'm making this for you? I'm letting you pick the Apps for me to test. That's how confident I am the iPhone will come out on top.

Sorry, but You don't own those devices. There are plenty of videos on youtube to show that you are incorrect, with a slew of different apps. I'm literally going through all of the videos right now, and seeing that you are full of it.

 

[Tozovac]

I've checked them out, including tests on my S7, S8, S9 and Pixel. The 7P/X beats them all. Curious, do you own all of these devices so you can conduct your own tests? If not, can you suggest some Apps for me to run on my devices to compare "real world performance"? Then you can't claim bias (that I cherry picked certain Apps to make the iPhone look better).

See how easy I'm making this for you? I'm letting you pick the Apps for me to test. That's how confident I am the iPhone will come out on top.

Sorry, but You don't own those devices. There are plenty of videos on youtube to show that you are incorrect, with a slew of different apps. I'm literally going through all of the videos right now, and seeing that you are full of it.

Just curious, what are people doing on their phones that needs so much power? Sure, instantaneous response is nice and all but who's creating serious graphics or running 35gb spreadsheets on an iPhone? Is it for superior photo-taking?

 

[deanthedev]

Sorry, but You don't own those devices. There are plenty of videos on youtube to show that you are incorrect, with a slew of different apps. I'm literally going through all of the videos right now, and seeing that you are full of it.

Sorry, but I do (plus several older ones I keep around for testing). You can choose to believe whatever you want to - it doesn't change reality.

Of course, I knew you wouldn't list any Apps for me to try out (to prove your false claims). The last thing you'd want to do is find out an App that YOU suggested performs better on an iPhone than a flagship Android phone. And since you don;t have access to several of the latest flagships you are unable to "pretest" any Apps yourself to avoid making that mistake. So you make up excuses to try and bow out.

Next time don't talk out of your a$$ if you aren't prepared to do some actual testing to back up your (false) claims. Keep watching videos of tests on YouTube that OTHERS have done, since that's all you've got.
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Just curious, what are people doing on their phones that needs so much power? Sure, instantaneous response is nice and all but who's creating serious graphics or running 35gb spreadsheets on an iPhone? Is it for superior photo-taking?

You can debate whether people NEED that kind of power in a mobile device. There's no debating the iPhone (with Apples superior custom-designed A Series processors) are the most powerful devices.

 

[Regime2008]

Sorry, but I do (plus several older ones I keep around for testing). You can choose to believe whatever you want to - it doesn't change reality.

Of course, I knew you wouldn't list any Apps for me to try out (to prove your false claims). The last thing you'd want to do is find out an App that YOU suggested performs better on an iPhone than a flagship Android phone. And since you don;t have access to several of the latest flagships you are unable to "pretest" any Apps yourself to avoid making that mistake. So you make up excuses to try and bow out.

Next time don't talk out of your a$$ if you aren't prepared to do some actual testing to back up your (false) claims. Keep watching videos of tests on YouTube that OTHERS have done, since that's all you've got.
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You can debate whether people NEED that kind of power in a mobile device. There's no debating the iPhone (with Apples superior custom-designed A Series processors) are the most powerful devices.

LOL! Dean you are a funny person. You do not own those devices. You have the least knowledge on Android devices out of anyone on this forum. You literally go ghost mode on every single thread that someone proves you wrong. Look at how many threads you have abandoned. How about you check your post history and revisit some of these threads that you have absolutely no answer to. I guess you abandon ship as soon as you realize that you are in a losing argument. Just google or youtube some comparisons, and you will see that your beloved iphone is slower and doesn't take as nice pictures as Android devices. The same devices that you call trash, wipe the floor with iphones. "Your mouth is writing checks that your a** can't cash".

 

[Tozovac]

You can debate whether people NEED that kind of power in a mobile device. There's no debating the iPhone (with Apples superior custom-designed A Series processors) are the most powerful devices.

Sure, but still, I'm actually asking: What do people need such powerful phones for? I honestly want to know, not digging to critique. Take cars - my favorite, all-around well-balanced "supercar" (I don't consider it a supercar, but...) is the 90's Acura NSX. Way ahead of its time, super-intuitive & fun/easy to use, enough power to have a lot of fun and get close to causing trouble but not enough power to get into too much trouble. I have friends, however, who must own a xxxx-killer, be it a Nissan GTR or 911, etc, for which they *never* take it beyond 5/9ths of it's capabilities.

And, most importantly, I can't think of a single car under $50k for sale currently that would replace the pleasing interaction with an NSX and all of its "outdated" analog controls (5-speed manual gearbox, manual steering, no electric motors at the front wheels for torque vectoring, etc) and at the "value" pricing of sub-$50k. Very similar say, to an iPhone SE without the latest/fastest processure and with an outdated headphone jack. That's true for me. I don't expect that to be true for others. I'm glad Jony Ive doesn't have his mitts on the pre-owned car market.

I have a 5S still that's aching along with iOS11. I use my phone so very constantly but I don't need a huge screen nor hyper-power to do what I need to do on a phone. But just as I'm curious why some friends feel the need to spend $100k on a GTR or Porsche that they barely "use," I'm super curious what folk are using their iPhone X and such for... Sure I'd like a snappier response but what am I missing out on by slugging along with my value-play 5S?

 

[tooloud10]

I wish apple had not removed my choice to use either wired or wireless headphones.

But...they didn't, and I don't understand why you keep insisting that they did. Every pair of headphones that you used on your old old iPhone continue to work with every new iPhone that Apple sells.

To simultaneously remove core functionality, while increasing prices, strikes me as extremely user-hostile, and no-one in their right mind should support it. It takes advantage of apple's loyal user base who are in some sense 'locked in' - financially/emotionally invested in the ecosystem.

It benefits no consumer, ever, and only benefits any company who does it.

You may not care for their implementation, but they haven't removed your choice. "No one in their right mind should support it"? Please, you're being dramatic.

Y'all constantly complaining about headphone jacks, notches, TouchID, etc need to learn to roll with change. To listen to some of you, the iPhone X should be an absolutely horrible device to use, and yet, here I am having the best iPhone experience since they invented the darn thing.

 

[Tozovac]

Y'all constantly complaining about headphone jacks, notches, TouchID, etc need to learn to roll with change.

You need to learn that others have equally strong arguments as yours for their usage styles & preferences.

So who wins this argument?

 

[deanthedev]

LOL! Dean you are a funny person. You do not own those devices. You have the least knowledge on Android devices out of anyone on this forum. You literally go ghost mode on every single thread that someone proves you wrong. Look at how many threads you have abandoned. How about you check your post history and revisit some of these threads that you have absolutely no answer to. I guess you abandon ship as soon as you realize that you are in a losing argument. Just google or youtube some comparisons, and you will see that your beloved iphone is slower and doesn't take as nice pictures as Android devices. The same devices that you call trash, wipe the floor with iphones. "Your mouth is writing checks that your a** can't cash".

I’m trying to conduct empirical testing with actual Apps on actual devices producing actual results. You want to keep deflecting - you’re not fooling anyone here.
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So who wins this argument?

Apple, since despite all the naysayers claims about why this or that feature is the end of the iPhone they still break records.

Clearly Apple knows far more about what users want than a few “experts” online.

 

[ktecac]

Hey sorry for a probably very dumb question but lack of headphone jack + A10 means this thing will likely support AirPods correct? I was late to this rumor so am asking really out of date question.

Anyone know if word on Waterproofing specs?

An early hater of a lack of 3.5mm, I now understand and am fine with it - and by all accounts AirPods are excellent. I also have almost wrecked 2 phones because of water damage D: (one wrecked, one almost).

The 8 and X look awesome but if I can have most of that good stuff in the smaller form factor I may just do it (though the slightly larger phone size also growing on me)

 

[lowendlinux]

Sure, but still, I'm actually asking: What do people need such powerful phones for? I honestly want to know, not digging to critique. Take cars - my favorite, all-around well-balanced "supercar" (I don't consider it a supercar, but...) is the 90's Acura NSX. Way ahead of its time, super-intuitive & fun/easy to use, enough power to have a lot of fun and get close to causing trouble but not enough power to get into too much trouble. I have friends, however, who must own a xxxx-killer, be it a Nissan GTR or 911, etc, for which they *never* take it beyond 5/9ths of it's capabilities.

And, most importantly, I can't think of a single car under $50k for sale currently that would replace the pleasing interaction with an NSX and all of its "outdated" analog controls (5-speed manual gearbox, manual steering, no electric motors at the front wheels for torque vectoring, etc) and at the "value" pricing of sub-$50k. Very similar say, to an iPhone SE without the latest/fastest processure and with an outdated headphone jack. That's true for me. I don't expect that to be true for others. I'm glad Jony Ive doesn't have his mitts on the pre-owned car market.

I have a 5S still that's aching along with iOS11. I use my phone so very constantly but I don't need a huge screen nor hyper-power to do what I need to do on a phone. But just as I'm curious why some friends feel the need to spend $100k on a GTR or Porsche that they barely "use," I'm super curious what folk are using their iPhone X and such for... Sure I'd like a snappier response but what am I missing out on by slugging along with my value-play 5S?

But this is all perspective I thought the NSX when it came out was fat, wide, and under-powered for it's fatness I mean the car was a clean 1000 pounds heavier than the 914 I was playing with and 800 pounds heavier the the 924 I DD'd.

Fun is all perception the the first gen NSX was a fun car and pretty fast and by today's standards very analogue but at the time it was not.

 

[Tozovac]

But this is all perspective I thought the NSX when it came out was fat, wide, and under-powered for it's fatness I mean the car was a clean 1000 pounds heavier than the 914 I was playing with and 800 pounds heavier the the 924 I DD'd.

Fun is all perception the the first gen NSX was a fun car and pretty fast and by today's standards very analogue but at the time it was not.

Well that's just it. One man's slow ugly pig is another man's perfect soulmate. Same (though in less endearing terms) thing for iPhones. One man's SE could be near-perfection for his/her use, while a $1000 X would be extreme. Even if offered at the same price as an SE, the X might still be imperfect for someone's usage, given that some (like me) prefer touch ID, headphone jacks, smaller form-factor, etc. all of which seem to be morphing away...

I'm still curious what users are doing with their phones that need so much power. (Still an honest question).
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Apple, since despite all the naysayers claims about why this or that feature is the end of the iPhone they still break records.

Clearly Apple knows far more about what users want than a few “experts” online.

Ha ha, my question was specifically for @tooloud10. I don't think anyone can win the argument, was my point.

 

[tooloud10]

So who wins this argument?

Well, that's actually the thing--there really is no argument. One side is stomping its feet and saying "it's not fair" and the other side is living in reality where it makes zero difference if you want a current-gen iPhone with a 3.5mm headphone jack because it doesn’t exist.

 

[Bawstun]

Well, that's actually the thing--there really is no argument. One side is stomping its feet and saying "it's not fair" and the other side is living in reality where it makes zero difference if you want a current-gen iPhone with a 3.5mm headphone jack because it doesn’t exist.

It should exist. Samsung is able to create the waterproofing and other features and still maintain it. It’s still an industry standard and it especially alienates the audience in India and other developing countries. I think it was a bad business decision that nobody will own up to.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Really agree with you there. Even though Jony is obviously a genius, too often it feels that he’s allowed to be self indulgent under Cook.

Sometimes those labeled genius are also out of touch with reality. Sometimes I think Jony's ultimate goal in life is to be able to turn sideways and disappear by doing so. "Slim" as a priority can be taken too far. And it has, at the expense of user functionality.

 

[Regime2008]

I’m trying to conduct empirical testing with actual Apps on actual devices producing actual results. You want to keep deflecting - you’re not fooling anyone here.
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Smh at the end of the day, what I said is true. Androids are faster than the newest iPhone x. I don't need you to test x,y,z app on devices that you have never owned nor used. You have absolutely zero credibility when it comes to a platform you do not use, and always talk negatively about.

You can continue to deflect from my comment all you want, but the facts remain. There's plenty of proof in the forums, YouTube, Google, etc. You can continue to lie to yourself and stay in the pastures, or wake up to the truth. Your choice. Good luck.

 

[bluecoast]

Sometimes those labeled genius are also out of touch with reality. Sometimes I think Jony's ultimate goal in life is to be able to turn sideways and disappear by doing so. "Slim" as a priority can be taken too far. And it has, at the expense of user functionality.

True. I think products like the MacBook Pro are slim enough. No one was asking for that product to be thinner. They just wanted more cpu power, more battery, more ports and more ram.

 

[Kabeyun]

Sometimes those labeled genius are also out of touch with reality. Sometimes I think Jony's ultimate goal in life is to be able to turn sideways and disappear by doing so. "Slim" as a priority can be taken too far. And it has, at the expense of user functionality.

True, but you can’t ignore that it’s also what we the consumers have been asking for. It’s become another number in the silly spec wars. Reviewers will triumphantly point out that device A is half a millimeter thinness advantage over device B. That’s what’s driving the design, even if designers sometimes take it too far in some people’s opinion (witness the camera poke). How successful would an ad campaign be with the tag line, “It’s thicker and heavier!” ?

 

[bluecoast]

True, but you can’t ignore that it’s also what we the consumers have been asking for. It’s become another number in the silly spec wars. Reviewers will triumphantly point out that device A is half a millimeter thinness advantage over device B. That’s what’s driving the design, even if designers sometimes take it too far in some people’s opinion (witness the camera poke). How successful would an ad campaign be with the tag line, “It’s thicker and heavier!” ?

I wonder though if people also want more durable products over thinness, given the choice?

What good is a beautiful thin design is if the first thing that people do after putting the SIM in, is to put a case on - which immediately bulks up the phone.

And using an iPhone 6s to X without a case is the very definition of living dangerously!

The 3GS is the only model that I used without a case (as it was essentially one big case anyway).

 

[44267547]

True. I think products like the MacBook Pro are slim enough. No one was asking for that product to be thinner. They just wanted more cpu power, more battery, more ports and more ram.

Genuinely curious, I see this comment made quite often wear a member might say something along the lines of “No one was asking for that product to be thinner” or No one was asking for Apple to remove the 3.5 mm Jack”, my question is to you; why should Apple as the manufacturer have to meet all the demands and needs from every customer that specifically asks for something? Do you think that’s feasibly possible? Do you think that Apple can possibly meet every expectation of what someone appreciates in a product because someone had to ask for it? Doesn’t seem very logical to me, nor possible.

 

[geromi912]

Good to know. I know iPhones before the 7 slowly got better and better water resistance without actually getting certified. The iPhone 6S was practically water resistant if you plug the headphone jack (which I did because I rarely used the headphone jack). Still, without the rating I don't end up with the confidence to not worry about it.

BTW I had an original iPhone (2007) that spent a few hours half-submerged in tap water and worked fine after shutting it off and letting it dry out for a day. But I've also seen people kill their iPhones in pools and in the ocean (those were iPhone 3 and 3GS if I remember correctly).

Headphone jack has nothing to do with water proofing. That’s bs. LG and Samsung prove it.

 

[bluecoast]

Genuinely curious, I see this comment made quite often wear a member might say something along the lines of “No one was asking for that product to be thinner” or No one was asking for Apple to remove the 3.5 mm Jack”, my question is to you; why should Apple as the manufacturer have to meet all the demands and needs from every customer that specifically asks for something? Do you think that’s feasibly possible? Do you think that Apple can possibly meet every expectation of what someone appreciates in a product because someone had to ask for it? Doesn’t seem very logical to me, nor possible.

I get it.

I guess the general issues with the MBP 2016+ are:

- it got thinner and more like the MacBook
- but it didn’t get significantly more powerful (maybe we can blame intel there)
- the most powerful models also came with the additional cost of the touchbar - which many users didn’t find useful.

What I’m getting at really, is that when Apple excels, it’s when they have a perfect balance between form and function.

Often though it seems that they can slip into prioritising form over function and that’s when the complaints start.

Also, I get what you mean about people complaining over feature x and y.

It’s clear that Apple does not feel that the headphone socket has a future. Nor are they keen on lots of ‘single use’ ports in their computers. They’ve carefully explained those decisions and you can either agree or not.

I think it can be frustrating for people though when they feel that the form is prioritised over function and there’s no explanation as to why except for ‘doesn’t it look great!?’

 

[doublesupercool]

Yeah, you can actually hold it without your fingers covering part of the screen. Who wants that?

I have man sized hands, so it is too small for me...

 

[deanthedev]

Smh at the end of the day, what I said is true. Androids are faster than the newest iPhone x. I don't need you to test x,y,z app on devices that you have never owned nor used. You have absolutely zero credibility when it comes to a platform you do not use, and always talk negatively about.

You can continue to deflect from my comment all you want, but the facts remain. There's plenty of proof in the forums, YouTube, Google, etc. You can continue to lie to yourself and stay in the pastures, or wake up to the truth. Your choice. Good luck.

Still lying. Face it - you won’t go along with any testing because you’re against facts. You want to continue lying that Android phones are faster. As I said, you’re not fooling anyone in this thread.