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-BigMac-

macrumors demi-god
Apr 15, 2011
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Melbourne, Australia
Not making this phone full screen is a missed opportunity by Apple, I believe.

I prefer to operate phones one handed and have normal sized male hands.

Even I struggle to reach the top left corner (right if you’re left handed) on the iPhone 6/7/8 series models - never mind the Plus versions.

My Mum has an SE however (on my recommendation) and loves it.

Keeping the body the same size but making it full screen would allow all but people with the smallest hands to operate this phone single handedly.

It would also open it up to a wider customer base - including perhaps me as someone who has always bought flagships but now questions the value proposition of $1000 plus iPhones.

——

PS - shame it’s losing the Jack too, but that’s the way the industry has moved sadly.
Do you also complain you cant use the iPad one handed?

Also, wouldnt making the screen LARGER make it even harder for people with small hands to reach the edges of the screen?

/logic
 

KeanosMagicHat

macrumors 68000
May 18, 2012
1,559
556
It would have to be so cheap that it's only real use is landfill. Apple should stop including chargers and wired headphones and lower their retail price to the cost of manufacturing +10%. How many 5w iPhone chargers have passed thru your hands and into the recycle bin?

Stop including chargers . . . no thanks.

Far too many companies doing this already.
 

Val-kyrie

macrumors 68020
Feb 13, 2005
2,107
1,419
Been calling this for awhile. I think the new SE will basically look like a shrunken down iPhone 8 or 8 Plus. Love it or hate it, the iPhone 5S design is now dated, and it would be a no-brainer for Apple to bring the SE's design in line with the rest of the iPhone lines.

If they do actually do this, I will seriously consider getting rid of my huge 7 Plus. I used an iPhone 5S before I bought a 7 Plus, and I miss the smaller size.

I went from an iPhone 4 to a 6 Plus and back to an SE. My experiment with over-sized, over-priced phones is over. I have no regrets moving back down in size and I have no desire for any form factor larger than the current SE.

In fact, I would love a move back down to the vertical size of the iPhone 4 with the slim bezels of the iPhone X. The only hitch would be FaceID, which I dislike intensely.
 

sblemmy

macrumors regular
Oct 24, 2013
130
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I'm somewhat surprised that people still care this much about the 3.5mm headphone jack. Apple includes EarPods with a Lightning connector and the 3.5mm dongle in the iPhone box. Even my wife who is a naysayer when it comes to technological change (if she had her way, we'd still be using Windows XP at home) has gotten along just fine with the iPhone 7.

There are only two use cases I've come across where the 3.5mm jack came to mind. First, since you need to set your device to airplane mode on flights, you can't use Bluetooth. If you're fine with EarPods, this is a non-issue, but if you use noise cancelling headphones (e.g., Bose QC35s) you'll need the dongle to connect them to the device. Is this a marginal inconvenience? Sure, but I'm only forced to wire in when on a flight and the dongle fits easily inside the QC35 case.

The second instance is that I have legacy technology, in particularly a PayPal card reader, that connects via the 3.5mm headphone jack. The newer readers for chip cards and NFC all connect via Bluetooth, so this really won't be an issue once I upgrade to a newer (and more secure) credit card processing unit.
 

dannyyankou

macrumors G5
Mar 2, 2012
12,655
27,007
Westchester, NY
My only proof is logic. They aren't going to put the A11 in it with almost 6 months to go before flagship phones have the A12. iPhone X has the A11 right and SE will have it next month? No.

Apple will start differentiating their phones based partly on their phenomenal silicon.
Again though, they did that exact thing in 2015. iPhone 6s had the A9, six months later the SE had the A9
 

se1000

macrumors 6502
Sep 24, 2014
419
410
LA, CA
Wireless charging would be bonus, but really all I want them to do is upgrade the LCD (newer gen, better saturation, etc), and give it better LTE compatibility. Instant buy.
 
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sracer

macrumors G4
Apr 9, 2010
10,204
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where hip is spoken
I hope that the new SE continues with its current form and style and continues to sport a 3.5mm headphone jack. I've had mine for 2 years and it has been terrific. Battery life is still insane (in a good way) and it is just as snappy as the day I bought it. (though I'm running on iOS 10.x) I know that I'm not alone in my admiration of the SE.

Apple knows that they now have 2 tiers of customers. The SE satisfies us in the "lower" tier. Apple got the mix of form and features right. No need for them to create a wannabe iPhone X.
 

KPandian1

macrumors 65816
Oct 22, 2013
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2,428
A10 or A11 - depends on which chip Apple produced more efficiently, in volumes. The older chip is not necessarily cheaper if it was more expensive to produce, even as they try to move the focus onto the A12 chip for the flagship.

Love the 5S/6SE design not just for the size; it is very solid in everyday use and mishaps.
 

Turnpike

macrumors 6502a
Oct 2, 2011
535
310
New York City!
There's a real need for a small phone in the lineup, for sure! But if they aren't making it slimmer, they should keep the headphone jack- people who opt for the cheapest model are SO much less likely to have/use any kind of wireless earbuds. I personally think if you're making a phone this size, the design is timeless. Just keep it practical too and leave the jack.
 

douglasf13

macrumors 68000
Jul 2, 2010
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1,069
I'm somewhat surprised that people still care this much about the 3.5mm headphone jack. Apple includes EarPods with a Lightning connector and the 3.5mm dongle in the iPhone box. Even my wife who is a naysayer when it comes to technological change (if she had her way, we'd still be using Windows XP at home) has gotten along just fine with the iPhone 7.

There are only two use cases I've come across where the 3.5mm jack came to mind. First, since you need to set your device to airplane mode on flights, you can't use Bluetooth. If you're fine with EarPods, this is a non-issue, but if you use noise cancelling headphones (e.g., Bose QC35s) you'll need the dongle to connect them to the device. Is this a marginal inconvenience? Sure, but I'm only forced to wire in when on a flight and the dongle fits easily inside the QC35 case.

The second instance is that I have legacy technology, in particularly a PayPal card reader, that connects via the 3.5mm headphone jack. The newer readers for chip cards and NFC all connect via Bluetooth, so this really won't be an issue once I upgrade to a newer (and more secure) credit card processing unit.

For me, it’s a matter of convenience, because I have several sets of wired headsets that I use for different occasions and in different locations (and the aux jack in my car.)

I actually own two pairs of Bluetooth headsets, including AirPods, but I rarely use them. My AirPods have little connection pauses in the music all the time, which drives me nuts.
 

truthertech

macrumors 68020
Jun 24, 2016
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2,263
If Apple believes in a wireless future, they have to include a pair of wireless headphones at some point.


Not going to happen. First, it wouldn't make any financial sense. Apple owns the overall wireless and premium wireless headphone markets now, and giving away free wireless heaphones would unnecessarily cost Apple many billions of dollars in both up front costs, and then billions in lost sales of highly profitable headphone markets. We don't have the figures, but beyond just revenue, it's likely that Apple is raking in most of the profits, ala the smart phone market, as well. Apple is now the top seller of wireless headphones in the world, and is also number one by far in worldwide premium headphone sales (>$200). Another home run by Apple.


Secondly, there's no reason for Apple to do so. Consumers have already made the switch to wireless headphones on their own with some prodding by Apple. Two years ago, wireless headphone sales, by revenue, became the majority of sales. Since then they have taken the market over even more. An anecdote--stopped by Costco around Christmas and they had many different headphones for sale--every one was a wireless model. In December 2017, during the holiday season, Apple pocket 50% of every dollar spent on total wireless sales in the US.
 

Codeseven

macrumors 6502a
Dec 31, 2008
835
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Then i may be swapping my iPhone 8.... i want small again......

I like to easily take my phone in and out of my front pant pocket and have held onto my old 5S just for that reason, love the form factor. However, I’m getting older and the screen size is rapidly shrinking so I’m ready to bump the size up, a little, no plus size phones for me. Looking forward to these new, cheaper, and larger than my 5S, phones coming out.
 
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