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New iPhone Television Ad: Youtube

I imagine you could, but all the flash stuff wouldn't work, so you'd spend most of your time trying to click on videos and getting "sorry, not supported" errors. With the special function, it could limit your searches to only those YouTube videos that are specifically h.264 encoded.

Plus, even though you're getting the "whole internet", you may not necessarily want it when you're viewing on a tiny device with bandwidth limited connections. A "YouTube Light" would be a good way to get rid of the banner ads and other crap that gets served up to your browser.
 
I think it would be great if you could upload videos straight to YouTube - that being said I don't think the iPhone's little camera is a video camera
 
bretm said:
I have a theory. And it goes with the whole YouTube QT thing. First, YouTube is now going to put it's whole library in h.264. Apple has gotten them to do it. The AppleTV is h.264 YouTube as well. Pretty soon, all YouTube will be QT. No more flash. Apple's QT is a complete competitor for Flash. Not just as video, but as interface design as well. There is ZERO flash on the Apple website. None. Anything cool that you think is flash, is actually QT. My guess is Apple would like to be where flash is. So, they won't support flash. BUT - the next update to QT, possibly around June 29, will support current flash playback. They may also introduce an app to more easily create interactive QT content. This is their plan imho. To go head to head with flash. They are slowly and surely taking out many of Adobe's apps. My guess is they don't trust Adobe and Adobe doesn't trust them. With the whole FCP and Premiere bad blood, and now Aperture and Lightroom you've got to wonder. The two are actually more in competition than Apple and MS.
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Ok, I don't even know where to begin on this one. First off, Flash is quite a complex program. It's not only for animation, but quite a robust piece of software for delivering many forms of content (SWF, EXE, Mac Projector files, etc.) not only for the web, but also as a stand alone software that can be used in a CD-ROM, computer kiosk, etc. Macromedia (now owned by Adobe) have been building on this software for many years now. Many companies have tried to compete and have failed - miserably. Does anyone remember LiveMotion (ironically, developed by Adobe back then).

Quicktime is NOT a competitor to Flash when it comes to interface design and in so many other areas. You can't make a complete web site with Quicktime. You can't make a self-running application or game and then export it to run on any machine. I mean I can go on. You really are comparing apples to oranges here. As far as interfaces go, I have designed interfaces for both. While there are certain things you can do in Quicktime in this field, there is really no comparison. Quicktime doesn't have any scripting to do complext tasks such as importing a dynamic text, XML files or PHP database.

I really doubt that Apple wants to go anywhere near trying to create a "Flash" killer. Really. It would take quite a HUGE leap in trying to compete or create with an app like Flash. I've been using it since it was called Future Splash before Macromedia bought it. Believe me, people been trying for years to create a "Flash killer" and all have failed.
 
TitoC said:
Ok, I don't even know where to begin on this one. First off, Flash is quite a complex program. It's not only for animation, but quite a robust piece of software for delivering many forms of content (SWF, EXE, Mac Projector files, etc.) not only for the web, but also as a stand alone software that can be used in a CD-ROM, computer kiosk, etc. Macromedia (now owned by Adobe) have been building on this software for many years now. Many companies have tried to compete and have failed - miserably. Does anyone remember LiveMotion (ironically, developed by Adobe back then).

Quicktime is NOT a competitor to Flash when it comes to interface design and in so many other areas. You can't make a complete web site with Quicktime. You can't make a self-running application or game and then export it to run on any machine. I mean I can go on. You really are comparing apples to oranges here. As far as interfaces go, I have designed interfaces for both. While there are certain things you can do in Quicktime in this field, there is really no comparison. Quicktime doesn't have any scripting to do complext tasks such as importing a dynamic text, XML files or PHP database.

I really doubt that Apple wants to go anywhere near trying to create a "Flash" killer. Really. It would take quite a HUGE leap in trying to compete or create with an app like Flash. I've been using it since it was called Future Splash before Macromedia bought it. Believe me, people been trying for years to create a "Flash killer" and all have failed.
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Not to mention, that as the OP suggests that what you would think is Flash on Apple's website is QT isn't even true. Lots of what could be thought of as 'Flash-y' (not "flashy", but "Flash-y",) elements are really AJAX.

And, the H.264 on YouTube isn't even necessarily "QuickTime", it's just "MPEG-4". While yes, the MPEG-4 container format is based on the QuickTime container format, it is more limited.

Finally, you can put Flash *IN* a QuickTime file.

I agree, this is *NOT* an Apple attempt to replace Flash with QuickTime for all purposes. If anything, it is solely an attempt to replace Flash with QuickTime for MOVIES.
 
ehurtley said:
Not to mention, that as the OP suggests that what you would think is Flash on Apple's website is QT isn't even true. Lots of what could be thought of as 'Flash-y' (not "flashy", but "Flash-y",) elements are really AJAX.

And, the H.264 on YouTube isn't even necessarily "QuickTime", it's just "MPEG-4". While yes, the MPEG-4 container format is based on the QuickTime container format, it is more limited.

Finally, you can put Flash *IN* a QuickTime file.

I agree, this is *NOT* an Apple attempt to replace Flash with QuickTime for all purposes. If anything, it is solely an attempt to replace Flash with QuickTime for MOVIES.
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Ditto. Thanks for the support on this.

P.S. Quicktime in its recent version, can only open Flash from version 5 and below I believe. Possibly version 6. But since we are at version 9 in Flash, Quicktime is behind the ball on this one. Even so, if it is a complex Flash SWF file, Quicktime won't even open it most of the time (too much scripting, etc.).
 
i can do this allready

just go to

m.youtube.com

it works great on my helio, with no problems whatsoever.

the streaming from youtube takes about a good 30 seconds to a min before it starts playing, so i can only imagine the delay that this will have on the iphone, which is not 3g.

sorry if that took the wind out of some of your sails....but its not that groundbreaking

oh and the helio includes unlimited bandwidth...something which will require additional fees/subscriptions on the iphone

so could someone tell me again why i should buy the iphone, when the helio ocean does just about everything it can do...faster and cheaper

//rant over
 
notjustjay said:
I imagine you could, but all the flash stuff wouldn't work, so you'd spend most of your time trying to click on videos and getting "sorry, not supported" errors. With the special function, it could limit your searches to only those YouTube videos that are specifically h.264 encoded.

Plus, even though you're getting the "whole internet", you may not necessarily want it when you're viewing on a tiny device with bandwidth limited connections. A "YouTube Light" would be a good way to get rid of the banner ads and other crap that gets served up to your browser.
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http://m.youtube.com

-mobile youtube
 
lbinetti said:
just go to

m.youtube.com

it works great on my helio, with no problems whatsoever.

the streaming from youtube takes about a good 30 seconds to a min before it starts playing, so i can only imagine the delay that this will have on the iphone, which is not 3g.

sorry if that took the wind out of some of your sails....but its not that groundbreaking

oh and the helio includes unlimited bandwidth...something which will require additional fees/subscriptions on the iphone

so could someone tell me again why i should buy the iphone, when the helio ocean does just about everything it can do...faster and cheaper

//rant over
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For realz...


And the music on those damn iPhone ad's makes me want to toss my macbook out my apartment window into the street below. I don't think they could have possibly picked a more annoying chime. It sounds like it belongs in a daycare center, playing from some toy designed for 2 year old kids. The narrators voice is piss-poor too, almost like it is stressed force-fed scripting, and he is unable to make it sound natural.

But I guess it is about par for the course as far as Apple's ads go...
 
The video is interesting. I like how the iPhone is designed and it looks good in the adds and all, but the price is out of my range until it comes down to about what an iPod is today.
 
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