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The director of my company who was a huge Samsung fan just switched to an iPhone 5s because of the poor battery life of the S4 he got earlier this year.
 
"can't beat the larger, sharper displays"

Larger, Ok. Yep they are larger, agreed. Some users would like a larger display, agreed.

Sharper. Uh no. Retina means a screen has a high enough pixel density that you can not discern individual pixels. Once you hit retina resolution you are done. The resolution arms race is over once retina density is reached. Apples screens are retina so they are as sharp as a screen can possibly be.

So really here is the news flash, brought to you by stating the obvious news :

Android phones are larger which means they have larger screens and larger batteries!

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You have obviously bought into the apple marketing of "retina display". I can definitely see the difference between by 468 ppi htc one and the sub 350 ppi iphone 4s.
 
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Influential ratings and review magazine Consumer Reports has reviewed Apple's new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models, giving them high scores but calling the 4-inch Retina display and 8-10 hour battery life "no match" for Motorola's latest Droid smartphones. The full mobile phone ratings are behind the magazine's paywall, but the summary blog post outlines the magazine's thinking on the issue.Many Android device manufacturers have been increasing the size of their devices and displays, pushing into so-called "phablet" territory, but Apple has so far kept to smaller displays facilitating one-handed operation. In a minor change, Apple increased the height of the iPhone's display with the iPhone 5 last year, but the 4-inch display now standard on Apple's latest iPhone and iPod touch models remains much smaller than seen on many competing devices.

Apple has reportedly been testing prototype iPhone designs with larger displays measuring between 4.8 and 6 inches diagonally, with a particular focus on 4.8-inch models. Apple does, however, routinely test a variety of different prototype designs and it is unclear if the company is planning to launch the larger-screen designs with the next iPhone hardware update presumably scheduled for next year.

Article Link: New iPhones Score Well with 'Consumer Reports', but Display and Battery 'No Match' for Android Competitors

I've been hands on with these so called "Phablet" devices and they are hust too big for my liking...I wouldn't mind a small size hike, say up to 4.8" but no more..Otherwise, I may as well buy a cell enabled iPad.
 
"can't beat the larger, sharper displays"

Larger, Ok. Yep they are larger, agreed. Some users would like a larger display, agreed.

Sharper. Uh no. Retina means a screen has a high enough pixel density that you can not discern individual pixels. Once you hit retina resolution you are done. The resolution arms race is over once retina density is reached. Apples screens are retina so they are as sharp as a screen can possibly be.

So really here is the news flash, brought to you by stating the obvious news :

Android phones are larger which means they have larger screens and larger batteries!

http://www.pcworld.com/article/198402/iPhone_4_retina_display.html

Steve Jobs claimed that the iPhone 4 has a resolution higher than the retina - that's not right:

1. The resolution of the retina is in angular measure - it's 50 Cycles Per Degree. A cycle is a line pair, which is two pixels, so the angular resolution of the eye is 0.6 arc minutes per pixel.

2. So if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes, that works out to 477 pixels per inch. At 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold it out 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi.

So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina. It actually needs a resolution significantly higher than the retina in order to deliver an image that appears perfect to the retina.

Regurgitating what Apple told you like a cheerleader without looking up facts only makes you look like a fool.

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Lol phablets. I guess Apple will have to make something with a screen size between the iphone and iPad mini to stay competitive, but dear God, enough with the oversized phone screens already. Stay small, stay classy!

Listen people, buy a tablet/laptop and stop reading books and watching videos on your phone. You're ruining smartphones for everyone else.

It's not our fault you have tiny, girly hands. Why should everyone modify their usage around you? I can easily use the ipad mini with one hand, and I know plenty of other guys who love these big phones!
 
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You have obviously bought into the apple marketing of "retina display". I can definitely see the difference between by 468 ppi htc one and the sub 350 ppi iphone 4s.
Sure, I could probably tell the difference if I held it up to my eye, but who uses a phone like that?

Every day, no, you can't tell the difference. Anything above 300ppi is overkill. There's more pixels than you *need* to see. Also, why have a device that requires more horsepower to drive more pixels? As with all Android "features" it's a marketing ploy. "Our numbers are higher than Apples! Therefore we're better!". Nonsense. An iPhone 5S can outperform a Note 3, which has a significantly more powerful processor and more RAM. What's the real issue? Software.

You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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I suspect that Apple already officially released the first part of its bigger screen strategy a month ago (18th September). The rest will come with the iPhone 6 next year.

One oft-quoted concern about going big screen is losing one handed operation. For a right-hander what's the hardest bit of the screen to reach? The top left corner. What's often in that part of the screen? Some sort of back button. Apple theoretically introduced a universal back gesture in iOS 7 although unfortunately almost nothing supports it right now, Safari and the Settings app are about the only thing that I've found that does. Even with that limited exposure however I find myself loving the gesture so much that I keep trying to use it in apps like Flipboard even though they haven't implemented it yet.

As more Apple and third party apps support the back gesture one big reason for having to reach up to the far extremity of the screen will be removed and will lessen one downside of a big screen. Android has a back button so it already has a solution to this particular part of the one-handed-use issue.

I want a bigger screen but only if Apple can do it right, i.e. no compromise on battery life and keeping the phone as light and compact as possible. Apart from dropping the ball a bit on battery life what Apple did in going from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5 was amazing, the iPhone 5 feels so much thinner and lighter in my hand than my old iPhone 4. It puzzles me when people say they want to go back to a 3.5" screen and would prefer the 4S. Do some of those people mean that literally - "Please Apple, take 0.5" off the screen size and at the same time make my phone a lot fatter and quite significantly heavier than it was when I had the 4" screen"?

What will Apple do for the 6? They could fit a 4.3" screen without changing external dimensions at all but if they're going to cause developer disruption with a new screen size I personally don't think that they'll do that for anything less than a 0.5" increase. I also have a hunch that they won't chase the phablet market by going over 5". My guess is something in the 4.5" to 4.8" range. I really (really, really) hope that they'll also go IGZO when they go bigger which, given that anything above 4.3" also means that the case gets a bit bigger allowing a bigger battery, should mean a very worthwhile boost in battery life. For someone like me whose on-screen time is almost entirely for ebook reading it could be a massive battery life boost since IGZO needs less frequent refresh on static pages and can turn off the drive current completely for some refresh cycles. That's also going to be very beneficial for use of apps like contacts, calendar and messaging and even web browsing for pages where there isn't any animation on a page.

The iPhone 6 could be really amazing; roll on 2014. The 6 might be the second iPhone that I'm willing to queue for (the iPhone 4 was the first).
 
I bought the Mophie iPhone5 Juice Pack which fits comfortably in my hand, looks great, offers protection, charging and battery backup on the go for extended duration for ~$80 if you shop around:

  • iPhone charging case
  • Full case protection with openings for camera lense and headphone jack
  • Pass-through on/off, volume and mute controls
  • LED charge indicator
  • Toggle between active charging and standby
  • Simultaneous battery and phone charging with included USB cable
  • 1700mAh built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery
  • Dimensions: 2 5/8" x 5 9/16" x 5/8"

I bought an inexpensive cable from the AT&T store for charging at my desk at work and use the cable it ships with for home charging. But I easily get a couple of days on a charge with roughly 5-8 hours talk time if switching to the Mophie Lithium battery when unable to charge.

It's a quality product and priced accordingly, but it's extremely well fitted to my hand, all buttons and camera are unobstructed and you can choose from a few basic colors for personal taste. Combined with the stress-free emergency power when needed and the ergonomics, it's a real winner in my opinion. I am not impressed with the Android battery performance compared to my iPhone 5 (not S) with Mophie and feel phones should be molded to fit into one hand, that's its primary function and Jobs guessed right. I have no issue if Apple creates a separate product line of ginormous phones to compete with the larger displays and two handed devices, but you can't be all things to all people.

The iPhone has a specific demograph of users and its design is still a combination of function and beauty that makes it unique and reminds me of the wisdom of the late Jobs, and his vision. Shame me for seemingly being a tribal member of the Apple cult, blinded by history and living in the past, but this is honestly how I feel, and honestly the performance I get with the Mophie/iPhone tandem.
 
Never thought I would have heard Android being better for battery than iOS.

I can usually get a couple of days out my iPhone 5... yet my GS4 wielding friends get worried at the thought of leaving their houses without the charger. :confused:

Wait? That sounds wrong. Do you have wifi, BT, 3G switched off, do you get emails, phonecalls? The only time I was able to get more than 24 hours charge on my iPhone was during o2's 3G outage. I always have to take my charge cable if I go out for the day.
 
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You have obviously bought into the apple marketing of "retina display". I can definitely see the difference between by 468 ppi htc one and the sub 350 ppi iphone 4s.

Regurgitating what Apple told you like a cheerleader without looking up facts only makes you look like a fool.
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I did check :

Anandtech iPhone 4 review -
"Immediately after hearing Apple's claim that the Retina Display outresolves the human eye, I snapped into optics mode and crunched the numbers, and tweeted that the results were valid." - Brian Klug & Anand Lal Shimpi

"Given the two most common standards tossed around, 1 arcminute and 12 inches, do the math out and you'll arrive at around 286 pixels per inch as the limit for eye resolving power, comfortably below the 326 on the Retina Display."- Brian Klug & Anand Lal Shimpi

"The human eye system is actually pretty poor, and shockingly easy to outresolve. In fact, if you saw the image your eye forms on your retina, you'd likely be appalled; it's your brain that makes the system usable. But at the end of the day, Apple's claims that the display outresolves the human eye are good enough for us." - Brian Klug & Anand Lal Shimpi

They do however say :

"Move to 0.75 arcminutes at 12 inches, and it's 382 pixels per inch, higher than the Retina Display. Honestly, I can't see the pixels at 12 inches."(and he has better than 20/20 vision[20/15]) - Brian Klug & Anand Lal Shimpi

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/4


Basically if you read into it in depth (there are tons of websites on visual acuity ) to get to 0.6 arc minutes of acuity you need perfect eyesight (better than 20/20), in perfect conditions. If we want to change the standard for retina to 0.6 arc minutes then fine. But I'm not a "fool" for accepting the 1 arc minute definition given it is reasonable and that Anandtech and most other reviewers did too.

"at the end of the day, Apple's claims that the display outresolves the human eye are good enough for us." - Brian Klug & Anand Lal Shimpi
 
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Am I the only one who thinks phones with massive screens look ridiculous?

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I loved the 3.5 inch screen on my iphone 4. But times are changing and Apple needs to wake up a little bit. The phone portion of the "smartphone" is less and less important, the data portion need to be more of a focus. To that end a larger screen can be useful.

This is KEY.

Now a days, smartphones are often used more as a mobile internet device than as an actual phone. That's why larger screens are so popular, and Apple needs to adapt.

The funny thing is that it would be very feasible indeed to please everybody with the iPhone 6:

1) Offer different screen size options: a 4", a 4.8" and a 5.5" model. This fragmentation makes MUCH more sense than the current 5c vs. 5s fragmentation.

2) Find a way to scale resolutions so apps look good no matter the screen size and screen resolution ratio. They already do this re-scaling in the rMBP.

If Apple pulls that off, the iPhone 6 will reign strongly over all the rest.
 
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I haven't seen a phone out there that has a screen as sharp and bright as the iPhone 5 and I compared them all a few months ago at the time of my upgrade. Larger yes, but not sharper. I love the size and weight of the iPhone and wouldn't want anything bigger. I appreciate that battery life isn't the best but I use about 50% on an average day and I'm always close to a charger and certainly wouldn't travel without one. I've had Blackberrys until recently and am thrilled with everything about my first iPhone. I'm all for Apple offering a larger size but hope they will keep the current size as well.
 
Ditto. Switched to the GS4 to dabble around with Android.

Currently in a support chat with AT&T to do my FOURTH warranty replacement on the battery. Battery life is terrible enough on a battery with little-to-no cycles, but after a few weeks it's abysmal. I'm from 100% at 7 AM to 60% by 11AM, idling in my pocket doing NOTHING on Airplane mode.

:eek:

I have no idea what is wrong with the phone(s) you've been getting. But I have 3 email accounts that combined get about 1000 emails in the course of the day. I take a bunch of pictures, visit this forum via Tapatalk, and make some calls. I typically (not always) unplug my phone around 6:30am and when I get home (around 6pm) I have between 50-60 percent. Usually it's right around 60.

Oh - I have the S4.

I am NOT saying you haven't had the battery issues you've had. But it's certainly not a generalization you or I can make about battery life overall.
 
My god some of you need to put your ego's aside and get a life. Go for a walk. Realize that people can like things that you don't. I cant believe the pissing contests so many of you get in. Its like you have a personal vested interest in these phones. It is a phone, just like a car or TV or favorite drink. Who cares.
 
My god some of you need to put your ego's aside and get a life. Go for a walk. Realize that people can like things that you don't. I cant believe the pissing contests so many of you get in. Its like you have a personal vested interest in these phones. It is a phone, just like a car or TV or favorite drink. Who cares.

I don't care what you say - 12oz of Coke lasts longer than 12oz of Pepsi!!
 
I find that hard to believe. There could be a number of reasons that you're seeing better battery life, unrelated to iOS 7. All the tests I've seen done show a battery life loss, not gain. I haven't actually crunched the numbers with my iPhone 5, so I won't make any personal claims as to its battery life.

Don't know what to tell you friend. I've paid close attention, and my usage hasn't changed in anyway. Well, I might be using it more now.
 
To me, battery life and screen size/quality are the two biggest hardware differentiators... much more important than features like the camera or fingerprint readers. As a former iPhone 4 owner, I was really disappointed with the decision to only make the iPhone screen taller and keep the width (which doesn't help with readability).

I switched to the Galaxy S3 and love the screen and battery life. A year later, I can still go two days with light use, and even with very heavy use I'm still at about 30% by the time I go to bed. If iPhone had a bigger screen with a comparable battery, I would probably switch back. I'm a heavy iPad user, so I do miss the consistency of the OS and apps between the two devices.
 
I've seen literally dozens of people here saying something to this effect:

"If I want a phone, I reach for my iPhone. If I want something bigger, I'll pick up my tablet or use my computer"

Right.

Now if Apple started offering an iPhone with a 4.5" screen, everyone would say it is the greatest thing ever. If anyone else does it, namely an Android device, it isn't pocketable or it is crap. Consumer Reports is now crap, and "who listens to them anyway" when the iPhone is beaten out by the Android competition. Before, when Apple was the highest rated, Consumer Reports was great.

You all can literally spin anything.

I have owned multiple iPhones, and enjoyed using them for the years that I was with iOS. I got tired of iOS, and Apple's small screens and picked up a Galaxy S4. I will say, I think that Android does MANY things right and the phone (in my opinion) is far superior to any of the iPhones I owned. I am not concerned with battery life with my S4 even though the screen is much larger and has a much higher pixel density. It fits PERFECTLY in the pocket of even my most fashionable tight jeans with an Otterbox Defender case on.

People bash things that they don't understand, or don't have any experience with. I love Apple, but that doesn't mean they are the absolute best at everything.
 
Wait? That sounds wrong. Do you have wifi, BT, 3G switched off, do you get emails, phonecalls? The only time I was able to get more than 24 hours charge on my iPhone was during o2's 3G outage. I always have to take my charge cable if I go out for the day.
I have 3G on, BlueTooth on sometimes for my car and Wi-Fi on all the time. Apps like Sky News, Facebook, banking, weather, email, iMessage/SMS, Internet... you know, normal stuff. Screen brightness at about 70%. Background updates and everything else on.

I don't spend hours talking to people, though. I hardly use it to call people, to be honest.
 
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