This thing is sooooo fugly. It looks like it got beaten by Ive's ugly stick. Perhaps he's going blind?
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New Mac Pro is Quieter Than iMac Pro, Has Optional Wheels, and Was Kept in Top-Secret 'Stealth Enclosure'
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All the windows and Hackintosh users! who knew they complain? I wonder if people do the same thing with Bmw's? does it do any good? Will it do any good with Apple? No...we just get to weed through their crap.
I think its pretty obvious that the "base model" was clearly trying to hit some internal marketing price-point. I think most people who read specs would consider the 12-core / GPU mandatory day-1 upgrades.
I don't agree with the hate for base specs for RAM / SSD though. I still heavily rely on a long suffering cheese-grater for my primary workstation, and it only has a 128GB SSDs since that's solely reservd for OS and core software (everything else lives on local or networked RAIDs - and not having a bunch of extra onboard storage means I have to file projects properly - which also helps backup regiminand not getting swamped in desktop clutter).
Also Apple's never been competitive with RAM / SSD pricing - so instead of *mandating* more RAM / SSD I'm just as happy to keep those stock minimums as low as possible and then save money in the long run upgrading with 3rd party options as needed.
On the other hand, if you tot up the one-off prices of components, you're adding retailer's markup, marketing, extra packaging, shipping, cost of returns on every single part c.f. Apple who are buying direct from the manufacturers in vast quantities and have the clout to negotiate substantial quantity discounts... and 'economy of scale' is hugely significant with electronics.
You might not know what Apple's labour/R&D costs might be, but you're going to get a huge over-estimate of what their bill of materials cost is.
...and while its ridiculous to suggest that you could build your own iPhone, Mac Book... or even a MacPro trashcan by buying the parts and throwing them together yourself, when you're talking about a full-sized PCIe tower like the new Mac Pro yes you absolutely can. Or find a local PC builder to assemble it for you. It won't look like a Mac Pro but it will be about the same size and, once its humming away under your desk, so what?
You've clearly not had any car repairs done recently. Your Merc is quite likely worth more broken up and sold as spare parts.
I just can't believe the starting price is $2000 more than the previous Mac Pro.
As a current Mac Pro user, I cannot imagine being able to afford this currently.
I fear this is is going to end up being the most expensive offshore reef for fish ever designed when Apple quickly runs out of people that can afford it.
As a current Mac Pro user, I cannot imagine being able to afford this currently.
I fear this is is going to end up being the most expensive offshore reef for fish ever designed when Apple quickly runs out of people that can afford it.
And it's on a desk. Imagine that desk being off kilter and it rolling off and smashing to the ground. Whoops.The wheels make it look like a toy.
It seems fair to say that other companies also massively overprice their workstations. That doesn't invalidate Linus's parts breakdown. Plenty of people build their own PCs. I certainly would if I wanted a workstation and my choices were a $6K Dell or $3K build of my own. A lot of people have been priced out of Mac Pros now Apple have doubled their prices. Whatever you think of that, you can't expect everyone to be happy.
The hate is not for the specs - its for paying twice as much as any previous entry-level Mac Pro for those specs - or $1000 more than an iMac with arguably better specs as well as a rather decent display.
I don’t think I need this level of computing/graphics power, and I doubt most of the people complaining about the price do either.
I want to see the computer, the specs and the price before I will give much credence to everyone complaining, especially about price. With the number of years that it’s been since a Mac Pro upgrade there has been plenty of time for competitors to grab a piece of the market. So, what computer is better and how much does it cost?
Kinda reminds me of people complaining how the base iPhone 6 started with 16 gb of storage. Nothing is stopping you from customising the specs you want.
Overcharging? This is a high end calibrated reference monitor not meant for the masses. Competing monitors are $30,000! Plus if you are a coder or musician this thing is not for you.
They're going to make so few of these that the guy who manufactures your model also will become your own personal Apple Genius under Apple Care since hey'll have nothing else to do after making that one.
Not questioning the monitor price in my comment. I doubt you will find a monitor stand for 1k. If apple thinks the stand is worth that price, they should have charged 6k for the monitor with the stand (period)
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Exactly. Charge 6k for the monitor with the stand, if that’s what they think it is worth it.
My 2008 Mac Pro is even quieter … it has not been turned on since December when I bought my Mac mini.
Prores isn’t raw, no, but it’s very fat. 4K Prores 4444 is 148 MBps. Not sure about 8K. Arri RAW 8K is 732 MBps, so that LaCie Thunderbolt 3 RAID that goes around 2,800 MBps will handle it fine, and the 2013 Mac Pro can handle it just fine too (if it had Thunderbolt 3).
I know zero people who shoot raw. I guess Game of Thrones does. Peter Jackson? Ridley Scott’s DP? lol
Point is “8K” doesn’t mean you need a $10k 2019 Mac pro.
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System76's Thelio Massive running Linux with Intel Gold 6130 and otherwise comparable configurations seems to be approximately on par in multicore benchmarks and goes for $5.6k, which is neither $3k cheaper, nor $3k more expensive (https://system76.com/cart/configure/thelio-massive-b1). The smaller chassis with those Ryzen Threadrippers that perform similarly in the respective multicore benchmark range goes for $3.3-4.2k (depending on which processor you think is equivalent). That is almost 3k cheaper.
The hate is because the high-end consumers don't need this ultra unique chassis, the terabyte of RAM, the 24-core Xeon with ECC RAM, the reference monitor. In fact, most enthusiasts would be satisfied with a top-end iMac if it came in an upgradeable tower. Even better, if we could choose Nvidia or AMD GPU.
I consider it progress that Apple has finally recognized the need for a tower-like form factor with upgradeable components and superior cooling, even though they went way out of our reach. I hope that the tech will eventually trickle down to high-end consumer devices, and we just might have a tower between the Mac mini and the Mac Pro. Because there's an enormous gap between the two.
I'm glad I went with a new top-end iMac. I can upgrade the RAM, even the storage via ports, and I'm not going to upgrade anything else. But I would prefer a tower, not only for the possibility of upgrade, but also because the iMac is nearly impossible to clean. My old 2014 has much dust inside that it affects its performance, and I cannot easily open it -- even Linus & team managed to ruin the display, not to mention the danger of the open power supply. Also some might choose an ultra-wide monitor with the iMac if they could.
up to 4TB of storage? That's it? For a Pro Machine in 2019? My iMac in 2014 came with 3.1TB. For $6000 4TB should be standard, and at least 256GB RAM, but no that's how large storage is, lol!
He's right insofar they should've started the Mac Pro with the 18 or 28 Core, 512GB SSD, 32Gb RAM. Nobody in their right minds would buy the 8 Core machine
The only difference is that people did not refer to "Steve Jobs rolling over in his grave" back then.
I fear that Apple made this steroided out box so they could purposefully sell very few of them, say it seems that there really wasn't a market for pro machines anymore, and discontinue making accessible computers. That would give them the excuse to continue making soldered in place macs that can't be upgraded.
Your suggestion of just putting the iMac/iMac Pro parts put into a simple case that we could access the interior of would've been infinitely better than this desktop.
We just wanted to be able to upgrade our compeers. Not render the next Pixar film.
And before someone quips that I'm not a fan of this Mac Pro because I can't afford one.. I can afford one. Easily. It's just not what my company needs.