New Mac Pro is Quieter Than iMac Pro, Has Optional Wheels, and Was Kept in Top-Secret 'Stealth Enclosure'

[ksec]

Does he go price out a similarly spaced computer at Dell or HP or even build one with Xeon processors, ECC RAM, and a top of the line SSD or just refer to cores, GHz, RAM, and a SSD?

You want the comparable Dell (that's not as quiet)? Here you go: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us?selectionState=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&cartItemId=

$5979.31 with a similar Radeon, RAM, Xeon (Gold but the benefits over a W are not meaningful), RHEL, etc.

Thanks, and as I mentioned in my previous post.

Mac Pro has Wireless and Bluetooth included, 2 more Thunderbolt 3 Port. The CPU is the upcoming Cascade Lake, making it even more expensive than one being used in Dell. Missing Apple Keyboard and Mouse.

Basically all of a sudden making Mac Pro looks like an attractive options for those who need it.

 

[RaelFacio]

Can it support the weight of a person riding it down the hallway like a horse?

That might be a valid concern. The first project that I ever stamped as a licensed architect led to a lawsuit as a result of a kid being injured after climbing on top of a very large cast iron radiator that was removed from a toilet room during demolition. The radiator had not been removed from the jobsite and the kid climbed up on it and started acting like he was on a horse. It fell over and broke the kids arm or leg. It was settled for $90,000 about 25 years ago.

I think that had there been four wheels installed on the radiator, one at each corner or leg, the fallen iron horse catastrophe might have been averted.

Maybe the wheels should be standard issue on the Mac Pro.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Yup. I always refer to this MacRumors thread to show you what the Mac Faithful always do,.

WOW... I thought this was something within the last 3-5 years. lol. How wrong I was.

Macrumors used to let guests post? Another wow.

 

[gavroche]

There’s a fair few of us who wanted a Mac Pro that had Nvidia support and a base model that wasn’t so heavily marked up. Ever since the first Mac Pro, the entry level prices have been around the 3K mark. They’ve just priced out a huge market of designers, photographers, animators and videographers in favour of large companies and studios.

But have they really? Pro photographers, for example, spend $2,000+ for quality lenses... and have gear kits that easily go $20k and up. I imagine it's similar for a lot of other pros. Can't see this being very out of line. People saying entry level Mac Pro prices used to be $3,000 forget to account for inflation. Everything costs so much more today than it did 5 years ago.

 

[curtvaughan]

Please post a link to an online build of a computer with similar specs that is $3k cheaper. Everything I've done come out to about $3k MORE expensive than what Apple is offering.

Check out the Thelio desktops put out by System76, particularly the Thelio Massive with base price of $3000. Of course, if you click "Design + Buy" you can max its price out around $65000 (I just gave it a go).

https://system76.com/desktops

 

[neuropsychguy]

Except that breakdown is wrong. ( Assuming there is no mistake in Mac Pro Spec )

The CPU isn't a Xeon W, while there is a Xeon W with 8 Core, 3.5Ghz and 4Ghz Turbo, the W3223. it only has 16.5MB of L3 Cache. ( W2145 listed in the calculation is wrong ) The Mac Pro listed the 8 Core with 24.5MB cache, that is only available on the Xeon Gold 6234 model, cost $2200. Xeon Gold also gets additional AVX512 Unit, so it is quite different in FP power compared to W3233.

Apple is combining the L2 and L3 cache size but it's certainly possible this is a yet unreleased Xeon W. It will be very comparable to that Xeon Gold though.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Tell us why Apple should sell this for a loss ($3000)?

Why? I never said such a thing.

 

[Jimmy James]

On "The Talk Show Live" Craig Federighi noted that the price would depend on how many you wanted and installment plans would be available.

For only the cost of 11 [latte] coffees per day you can get this rig setup.

 

[ksec]

Finally a cohesive counter argument.

However, KEEP IN MIND the prices you list are the ones already marked up. For instance, the Xeon Gold 6234 at $2200, that's the consumer price... you can be 100% sure Apple is not paying that price and then increasing it even more to the consumer.... (well they increase the price to consumers anyway).

So really, it's still overpriced.

It is not consumer price, since you cant really buy just "one" as a "consumer". Your argument is that making any sort of profits is wrong.

Read a few post above on Dell's Workstation pricing, which is around the same price, without an Operating System Cost, WiFi, Keyboard and Mouse, Thunderbolt 3 Port, T2 Chip, and looks a lot uglier.

 

[neuropsychguy]

Thanks, and as I mentioned in my previous post.

Mac Pro has Wireless and Bluetooth included, 2 more Thunderbolt 3 Port. The CPU is the upcoming Cascade Lake, making it even more expensive than one being used in Dell. Missing Apple Keyboard and Mouse.

Basically all of a sudden making Mac Pro looks like an attractive options for those who need it.

I'm well aware. It's not an inexpensive computer but it's priced competitively with other workstations in its class. I'm not going to buy one (I need CUDA and have access to a cluster/supercomputer) but I understand its value.

 

[pearvsapple]

They hid this Mac Pro in their lunch room where the kitchenware is at. Nobody would’ve figured it out!

 

[neuropsychguy]

Why? I never said such a thing.

You said it was about $3000 overpriced ("$3000 markup"). Subtract $3000 from the $6000 Apple lists it at and you end up with Apple selling it for $3000, which would be a loss. So although you didn't say that directly, your guess at Apple's markup and the math that follows means Apple would have to sell at a loss to reach your perceived value.

Your original post

"Was the $3,000 markup also kept top secret? Base model is really only worth about that much.

Linus Tech Tips already did the breakdown of the parts (Price starts at 11:10).

So yeah... it's a $3,000 markup." (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...cret-stealth-enclosure.2184408/#post-27432879)

 

[whiteboytrash]

Haha oh man. MacRumors truly hasn't changed. Also, just looking back, it's crazy to think about how popular the iPod ended up being.

Anyways, I think Apple's moving in the right direction with this new Mac.

Nothing has changed it seems...

"I really wanted to like it. Really. But do the math:

20GB hard drive: $199 from APS tech.

MP3 player: $50 from Best Buy.

You save $150 plus get an extra 15 Gig of storage!

 

[ksec]

Apple is combining the L2 and L3 cache size but it's certainly possible this is a yet unreleased Xeon W. It will be very comparable to that Xeon Gold though.

Oh God, in that case it really is the W3223, which only cost $750.

 

[claus1225]

I like it.

Anyone leaving negative comment does not need or intend to buy it. People just being negative for the sake of it.

It looks ugly, whether i want to buy it or not. Just being objective.

 

[citysnaps]

Was the $3,000 markup also kept top secret? Base model is really only worth about that much.

Linus Tech Tips already did the breakdown of the parts (Price starts at 11:10)

So yeah... it's a $3,000 markup.

I don’t know what’s more adorable. That guy’s analysis. Or that someone actually buys his analysis without putting any critical thought into it.

So funny either way!

 

[Darth Tulhu]

I looked this up in macOS dictionary app (not joking) and it came up with this:
Sheela-na-gig | ˈSHēlənəˌɡiɡ | noun a medieval stone figure of a naked female with the legs wide apart and the hands emphasizing the genitals, found in Britain and Ireland.

I assume that's not what you are talking about.

No, but that would be equally as offensive in my household.

 

[neuropsychguy]

in that case it really is the W3223, which only cost $750.

Apple doesn't come out and say they are combining caches but if you read between the lines, I'm 90% certain they are: "In addition, large L2 and shared L3 caches and 64 PCI Express lanes provide massive bandwidth in and out of the processor."

"8-Core
3.5GHz Intel Xeon W

8 cores, 16 threads

Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz

24.5MB cache

Supports 2666MHz memory"

It likely is the W-3223: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/w-processors/w-3223.html

This is a new processor so it likely compares well with the existing Xeon Golds. You're still looking at a similarly priced computer if you get a similar workstation from Dell or HP.

 

[ValSalva]

Why are they comparing noise levels of this new Mac Pro under a desk to an iMac Pro on top of a desk? I'm assuming that this new Mac Pro is noisier than an iMac Pro when measured from on top of a desk. I'm sure it's not that much louder but Apple's way of comparing seems like obfuscation.

If I could afford this there is no way I'd put it under a desk …

 

[szw-mapple fan]

Yup. I always refer to this MacRumors thread to show you what the Mac Faithful always do,.

Haha. It wouldn’t be macrumors if not for the flood of negative comments whenever something new pops up.

 

[ksec]

Apple has contradictory specs, on the specs page it say it's a Xeon W but all the cache sizes are wrong. I'm sure its using a Xeon W, it doesn't make sense to use quad socket capable cpu in a single socket motherboard.

As other have replied, I think ( at least 99% sure since the number add up ) they are using both L2 and L3 cache number. So it really is an Xeon W.

My mistake.

 

[theluggage]

Haha oh man. MacRumors truly hasn't changed. Also, just looking back, it's crazy to think about how popular the iPod ended up being.

Well, up to then MacRumors was purely about computers - its not surprising that people didn't "get" the iPod - it wasn't the first 'MP3' player but they hadn't really gone mainstream and they certainly didn't 'just work' the way the iPod did for regular consumers (if you've never had to coach someone who can only conceive of 'copying' a file by opening it in Word and doing "save as" then you don't know what a 'regular consumer' is).

The Mac Pro isn't some amazing new departure. It is a tower PC workstation with PCIe slots running Mac OS. Nice, certainly - a couple of wrinkles with those double PCIe slots. The reason people are saying it is expensive is that it is expensive - especially for those of us who might actually have been in the market for something at the price-point of the previous MP (which was hardly a giveaway).

 

[radiology]

1K for a monitor stand was a bad decision, but not surprising at all based on Apple’s track record for overcharging. With that said, I’m pretty sure there will be plenty of third party options for those interested in buying the monitor..

 

[bernuli]

Was the $3,000 markup also kept top secret? Base model is really only worth about that much.

Linus Tech Tips already did the breakdown of the parts (Price starts at 11:10)

So yeah... it's a $3,000 markup.

That list not very detailed, nor does it mention any brand names aside from CPU.

Cooling solution is missing from the list of items. Also, since time is money, you really need to add some labor in.

But yeah, you could definitely build a cheaper computer using cheaper parts.

 

[Wolffie]

I just want to know what ports?
Are they on the bottom or on the back with the black exhaust strip?