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New Mac Pro Nearing Release as Apple Advises Technicians How to Place Computer in DFU Mode
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Nope. Intel does disclose this, e.g. Page 14
Wikichip splits it out for you
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That’s a common thing amongst a few people here, you state it costs a lot and they just assume you can’t afford it
I’ve never had one on Windows 10, sounds like you haven’t even used it
I’ve never had one on Windows 10, sounds like you haven’t even used it
I had like 10 of them and had to keep rebooting to get back into the system with a Windows error which i do not recall the code, but yes it does still happen. And i am not saying that Apple does not get a Kernel Panics but is seems like it happens more on the Windows 10 side of the world. Because of less software to hardware integration.
I'm sorry, I didn't realise you lived in Antarctica.
No, because I'm not in the business of PC supply & service. Anybody who is in that business, though, absolutely - probably with on-site 24 hour service. Probably local. In fact, since everybody is selling the same generic Intel or AMD systems, you'll probably pick the supplier based on their service package.
Of course, if you're a one-man band and you built the computer yourself, you just order the new part yourself with next-day delivery, for a fraction of the price that Apple or HP or whoever would charge you for an official part, and plug it in (no glue, security screws, proprietary connectors etc.) But, true, if you're in a non-Mom-and-Pop business you'll probably pay someone to do it.
...and which part of the new Mac Pro magically enables that? The Intel CPU (same as PCs use)? The AMD GPU (same as PCs use... well, except a lot of pro software is optimised for NVIDIA)? The motherboard made by Foxconn (based on intel reference designs?) or is the T2 chip somehow involved? Reality: any suitably-specced Xeon kit + GPU bought in 2019/20 will have the power, and - for such a specialist setup - the best kit to get will be determined by the choice of software and what service plan the vendor is offering. If the best software for the job happens to be for MacOS then, fine. Its a business - regardless of how much the room cost (which is sunk cost now, anyway) - the accountants will buy the $20k generic PC that is adequate for the job over the £25k Mac with the snazzy grille... and if you're really lucky they won't forget the "adequate for the job" bit.
Of course, business purchases on that scale don't get made by someone wandering into the local Apple Store with their titanium credit card - so we don't know what sort of prices they'll actually negotiate with serious customers. If Pixar buys a lab full of these they'll probably at least get a display stand or two thrown in.
Sounds like a problem with your end if 10 of them are having issues like you claim.
So... not a Mac Pro, then?
You're describing features of higher-end cases, workstation-class motherboards, the Xeon and its associated chipset. "Custom Built" (by a technically knowledgable power user or - more likely in a pro setting - by an independent OEM) does not mean "Thrown together from the shonkiest components you can find on eBay".
At the workstation and above level, "independent OEM" means they buy a barebones system from Supermicro and install a CPU, RAM, Storage and GPU. That's it. Motherboards and fans and cooling and power supplies all came pre-installed or at least included. The workstation form factors are all proprietary anyway.
This is not a "DIY PC" as you said or people building PCs expect.
Besides, Supermicro stuff is pretty crappy. Been there done that. Plastic that snaps off, convoluted firmware updates, spares that are difficult to find, loud whining fans, lack of documentation and diagnostics...
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Farm only works during rendering. If you animate, wouldn’t it be nice to actually be able to watch animations without having to render first?
And when it crashes and burns, do you call Supermicro, do you call intel or amd for the processor, do you call western digital or Seagate for the storage problem do you call AMD or Nvidia when the GPU dies and can you get me up and running with out having to run out and spend more money trying to find out what component is causing the problem with the system. Oh yea can not call some of these manufactures 24x7 also? So ether i have to run out and buy replacement components to find the problem with the system or trying to track and find out what manufactures part is at fault. Oh and i have to have the system back in complete working order in 12 hours because I am a 24x7 shop on a tight budget oh and the local best buy does not have my part in stock i have to order it?
Show me a PC build with 1.5TB of ram and a quad AMD GPU setup with 128GB video memory. It is literally not "the same GPU PCs use," at all...you can't even buy a Pro VEGA II Duo for PC.
You also can't buy Apple's Afterburner card for a PC either, and for video production houses, that thing can pay for itself many times over with the time it will save in production workflows.
I do video production on a Windows 10 PC with an Nvidia GPU almost exclusively (I also have an iMac Pro at home), so I'm looking at this from both sides of the lens. Comparing the Mac Pro to PCs is really kind of an Apple and Oranges comparison. There are a lot of components, both hardware and software, that aren't comparable 1:1.
EDIT: Also, I hate Windows 10 more and more every week. You know what's awesome? When you start an overnight render and Windows Update forces an update install that you can't postpone any longer, and you come back to an empty render folder.
I’ve argued for a long time the service you get for just about any Apple product justifies the “Apple Tax.”
Except this is still a bad argument, because you can still acquire a base model non-Mac Pro with the same specs for far less with the same PCIE lanes and upgrade options. The straw man argument of mentioning top-end Xeon workstations that are fully loaded vs the price of the base Mac Pro is ridiculous. AVX512 and ECC are not unique to the Mac Pro, and neither are expansion options, but like I said before, at least it runs MacOS (albeit with no 32 bit application support)
FYI. I freelance in the live events business. Design and operation. Every production company I work with uses Macs for delivering video and graphics (occasionally a media server but usually a Mac). They use trash cans, recently iMac Pros and since they used to use the old cheese grater Macs, I bet I’ll see the new MacPros eventually. Macs are simply more reliable and easier to use for live event productions.
Yeah I don't get it.
> $5,999 in the United States with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, Radeon Pro 580X graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage.
Other than the Xeons, it's just a tower with 32GB RAM, a 256GB SSD and a 580X
For less than 1/2 the price I got a Mini with a 6-core i5, 16GB RAM (could upgrade to 32GB), a 256GB SSD and an RX Vega 64 (via an eGPU).
I know the Mac Pro is a lot better in many ways (and the eGPU has bottlenecks...etc). However, the Mac Pro still just seems so expensive for what it is!
Here's a company that does configurable PC workstations
Comparable Workstation PC
Aventum 3 Pro is $8789 with a 28 core Xeon (about $3,000) and a really crappy Quadro GPU ($116).
So to compare to Mac Pro Base Model, totally remove the CPU and GPU from Aventum, and you're still at $5673. Now add the Mac Pro Base Model CPU and GPU (about $1500 of parts), and you're at $7173. But the Aventum setup only has 4 PCI-e slots versus the Mac Pro's 8 slots. Aventum also has a weaker power supply.
Funny you should mention that.
In March I'll be retiring my venerable Classic Mac Pro (2009 4,1 --> 5,1 - see signature) and going with a Mac Mini fully decked out (i7 / 64GB / 1TB / eGPU) for less than half the price of the new New Mac Pro because as a print designer / illustrator, the new Mac Pro was clearly not designed for me anyway.
I always liked having a top of the line machine (for a while at least), but bragging rights alone aren't worth the entry price any more. If anything, I'll thank Apple for forcing me to recognize that my computing needs are no longer cutting edge like they were back in the 90's when I bought a llfx for $10K.
The Mac Mini should be plenty of computer for what I do. Plus it will be easier to haul the mini to trade shows for my art demonstrations.
Here's the thing...consider that the work you did in the past that called for the fastest Mac on two wheels can now be done on something that can be put in a backpack and carried with you on a plane or a train is a incredible achievement technology wise. That the software that you used wasn't optimized very well back in the 1990's and while CPUs and GPUs advanced, so did development environments, operating systems and the programmer's skills to optimize the code.
And while your computing needs may no longer be cutting edge, your skills have gotten better, sharper and more optimized as well though years of practice, experience and experimentation with what works and what doesn't, AKA, The School of Hard Knocks.
Assuming you are done with the 8-core Xeon is basically a 9900k with ECC and AVX-512 crap—re-read my reply to that if you’re not—and you’re now just spouting the “Macs are overpriced” BS I’ve heard for the last 35 years, we can do that.
How much do you think the base Mac Pro should cost?
I guess his whole point about beancounters (and one I made less artfully) is if you are in a smallish to medium sized business you can avoid that pitfall.
Here's a motherboard with 1.5TB RAM capacity: https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Motherboard/C621-WD12-rev-10#kf
...also has the ability to take 4 double-width GPU cards... oh, and two Xeon CPUs (Intel does a 56 core Xeon that supports dual processor configurations, so you can have 112 cores if you like - show me a Mac Pro build with 112 cores).
Here's an AMD EPYC motherboard that takes 2TB RAM and up to 32 core processors: https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Server-Motherboard/MZ31-AR0-rev-1x#ov
That's just what I turned up with a quick Google. There are other sites that do a huge range of workstation/server-class motherboards or sell systems where you can choose pretty much every component.
You can't even buy a VEGA II Duo for Mac Pro - or a Mac Pro to put it in, - yet. Do you think AMD aren't going to release PC versions of their new GPUs?
The new Mac Pro has an insane number of PCIe slots and a huge RAM capacity not through some magical Apple innovation but because Intel's new Q2 2019 Xeon-W chips have more PCIe lanes and RAM channels on a single CPU than previous models - Most currently available Xeon systems/motherboards needed dual processors to get that capacity (of course, that means they can also have twice as many cores ).
...what... you can't buy a custom accelerator card for Apple's proprietary video codec for PC? Colour me shocked. That would mean that if you use Apple proprietary software you're locked into Mac until you get fed up and change to PC (where, as far as I can tell, dedicated accelerator cards like the Red Rocket are being dropped because everybody used NVIDIA CUDA.... Ooops.)
As I've said before - if you're completely committed to MacOS software or formats, the new Mac Pro will keep you going until Apple gets bored and leaves it for 6 years without an update. Again.