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New Mac Pro thread (merged)
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I'm not goign to lie, I like it. But I find it odd that a company so obssesed with the clean, uncluttered appearance of their devices is going to be forcing us to connect everything by TB.
I can only hope for an innovative 3rd party cable management solution. otherwise this will be about as ugly as having a power strip in the middle of your desk.
I am also concerned that aside from BTO options, there will be no user serviceable anything. No video card or hard drive swapping I am pretty sure, so I do not think it would be crazy to expect them to solder the ram in too.
Props for made in USA though.
oops, looks like it does have user accessible ram. Only one CPU though. Even at 12 cores, Id be happier with two 6 core chips than one 12 core.
I can only hope for an innovative 3rd party cable management solution. otherwise this will be about as ugly as having a power strip in the middle of your desk.
I am also concerned that aside from BTO options, there will be no user serviceable anything. No video card or hard drive swapping I am pretty sure, so I do not think it would be crazy to expect them to solder the ram in too.
Props for made in USA though.
oops, looks like it does have user accessible ram. Only one CPU though. Even at 12 cores, Id be happier with two 6 core chips than one 12 core.
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I can't get into the look like a TrashCAN=ICAN.
I might just keep running my Hackingtosh and I really wanted to buy a MacPro.
Guess in Fall I will know for sure if I am buying it.
I might just keep running my Hackingtosh and I really wanted to buy a MacPro.
Guess in Fall I will know for sure if I am buying it.
I dont know why all you people are pissed, your all still going to buy one, and they wouldn't be making them if they wern't going to sell.
All this will do is flood the market with TB enclosures and expansion, something EVERY mac can now use. Having stuff external just means there is less to go wrong in the box. And you can share devices across all your computers.
I think its a good product, and it will sell well.
All this will do is flood the market with TB enclosures and expansion, something EVERY mac can now use. Having stuff external just means there is less to go wrong in the box. And you can share devices across all your computers.
I think its a good product, and it will sell well.
Every office I've worked in has had Mac Pros under the desk, and most of the storage has been networked.
I have no trouble with expandability being outside the box rather than inside. Hell,you could even make a box to put the peripherals and Mac Pro into, if you wanted.
This thing may have limitations: it's too early to tell on the brief details they've given.
People were always going to complain whatever they did.
I have no trouble with expandability being outside the box rather than inside. Hell,you could even make a box to put the peripherals and Mac Pro into, if you wanted.
This thing may have limitations: it's too early to tell on the brief details they've given.
People were always going to complain whatever they did.
That picture is really telling.
If consensus at Apple was "We're proud of the small form factor", they would have shown an image of the entire current Mac Pro to really illustrate just how small the new Mac Mini Pro is.
Instead they cut of the Mac Pro, which makes the new seem not-as-much smaller as the current one, until you look at your current real-life MP and realize how small it must be.
Seems to me they're downplaying the small form factor, because they know it's crap for the pros.
Those who were running 12 core jobs already probably will not be blown away.
It looks as though Apple is trading off the capability to go to 20 and 24.
I'd also question which vid cards. It is a pretty small box. The VRAM size and specific FirePro cards went unstated. Benchmarked relative to the previous Mac Pro graphics isn't saying a whole lot. Those are 2009 graphics.
The iMac has better graphics. If threw two GT680MX at the problem ... bigger still.
I think there is a old/new school split but that probably runs more deeply on whether only x86 cores matter or folks who are looking to use a combo of x86/GPGPU cores. The core count grow is going to be weighted toward GPGPU cores the way Apple going.
It doesn't look like they are really trying to depend upon Graphics outside the box at all. It is all inside.
The GPUs soldered is going to cause the same kind of ruckus that all Nvidia vs. AMD threads cause. In the new set-up can't really tell folks to go buy the "other" card because it isn't going to work as well.
It is obvious Apple isn't going after the exact same set of folks.
Apple also said that Final Cut X was the best thing since sliced bread too. And we both know how that played out.
12 cores and two GPU's?Obama has a better chance at joining the Klan.
Enjoy your Mac Mini Pro.
Final Cut X? What's that? I use Premiere CS6 like most professionals...Let me know how your single GPU, Thunderbolt-less Mac Pro handles true pro tasks in 2 years.
Check again now, there is slide show about it. And from what it looks like the RAM is user replacable.
Here come all the moaners & groaners.
All you guys & gals can stay in the last century doing your flashing of graphics cards.
All you guys & gals can stay in the last century doing your flashing of graphics cards.
Well I think people are making a lot of assumptions.
First of all the site clearly states GPU graphics *standard*.
Secondly, it isn't clear how the GPU is integrated within the product.
The images make it look like the GPUs are on daughter cards so assuming that graphics are not upgradable is a big assumption.
First of all the site clearly states GPU graphics *standard*.
Secondly, it isn't clear how the GPU is integrated within the product.
The images make it look like the GPUs are on daughter cards so assuming that graphics are not upgradable is a big assumption.
Nice with a handle. But what is it supposed to be used to? A old mac pro had two, and it was used to carry the system. When building a system with the new mac pro you will need adapters and converters for everything. And a lot of cables. Very different design than what apple is used to do. On my old dell laptop my table is full of cables, with mac book it is a few. This new mac pro will be like the dell laptop. It has 6 TB ports, and they will be needed.
Seems like the Mac Pro went server-like, consumer end extensions probably wont have any cooling for your hard drives, and if you want it you'll probably need to buy a server rack way above your budget...
i'm saddened, it is indeed a Mac Mini Pro, which is cool, but a real mac pro needs expandability and space INSIDE, the case, not cables going to a million devices around it.
Doesn't help you'll pay aprox 300-500$ for a decent PCIe expansion slot and then you wont even have the actual card yet...
Don't like the AMD only either, prefer Nvidia to be honest.
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i'm saddened, it is indeed a Mac Mini Pro, which is cool, but a real mac pro needs expandability and space INSIDE, the case, not cables going to a million devices around it.
Doesn't help you'll pay aprox 300-500$ for a decent PCIe expansion slot and then you wont even have the actual card yet...
Don't like the AMD only either, prefer Nvidia to be honest.
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GPUs don't look soldered to me, just "stripped".
In fact, if you look at the top and bottom, there's corners. Plus the middle hook between them looks removable.
The issue is that, if they can be replaced, they may have to make specially thought-out cards for these.
All this support for PC cards only to now find ourselves needing a Mac Pro specific GPU factory... unless all stripped cards look like these.
MacVidCards?
How?
-12 cores
-Dual GPUs
-6xThunderbolt 20Gb ports
-PCI-E storage
What's the problem?
I'm a little disappointed but not at all surprised (except for the shape). My new Mac Pro is literally less than 3 months old, and I'm glad I didn't wait for this new model. If the new model has replaceable GPUs it won't be too bad, but everyone will have to buy an expansion chassis for real storage. SSDs are great, but still too limited for real Pro use. I'm glad to see that Firewire survived, but I expected to. I'll be hanging on to my 2012 Mac Pro for years to come. As soon as I get some bills (my daughter's) paid off, I'll be doing all the fun upgrades I can't do when the new model comes out.
OSX Mavericks looks and sounds good. I can't wait to play with that.
OSX Mavericks looks and sounds good. I can't wait to play with that.
No More Hackintoshes ????
Another interesting thought...
With Apple again moving toward proprietary components and away from standard off the shelf PC components this could easily lead to the death of the Hackintosh. OS X could become far too difficult to hack to run on standard PC hardware.
Kinda like Adobe going to the Cloud to stifle piracy.....
Another interesting thought...
With Apple again moving toward proprietary components and away from standard off the shelf PC components this could easily lead to the death of the Hackintosh. OS X could become far too difficult to hack to run on standard PC hardware.
Kinda like Adobe going to the Cloud to stifle piracy.....
Looks like on board GPU, but wouldnt be shocked if you could buy a new board if it came in the future. And the on board could be a better connection then separate.
I wont be able to afford one till a while after it shows up so will have time to decide whether the jump is worth it.