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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash
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I'm not sure what's more impressive: Steve Jobs, who has side-stepped Flash entirely with no appreciable consequences, or the industry and consumers alike, who have handed him a $20 billion quarter in return.
Over 14 million iPhones sold this quarter. Another record-breaker. And none of them do Flash. Add to that 7 million iPads sold since April, a portion of which surpassed Mac sales this quarter. Again, no Flash.
Seems a lot more than just "fanboys" are drinking the Apple Kool-Aid these days. I prefer the blue kind myself . . .
Cheers.
IMHO, as much as Flash is a resource hog, it is also a valuable tool/feature in todays digital age.
Adobe must improve the Flash efficiency, but Apple should support it as well.
Adobe must improve the Flash efficiency, but Apple should support it as well.
Hopefully it will change the "Flash is installed on 95% of computers" crap. Flash developers will see many visitors can't see their (bloated) content and move to html5.
I use Flashless (Click2Flash alternative). I avoid Flash as much as possible but sometimes I wish I had uninstalled so the website I visit knows it is not everyone who uses Flash.
And for the supporters of Flash; Adobe had PLENTY of time to improve Flash and It didn't. Don't expect to change it soon. Adobe knows how to add features (bloat) applications, not improve resource use.
I use Flashless (Click2Flash alternative). I avoid Flash as much as possible but sometimes I wish I had uninstalled so the website I visit knows it is not everyone who uses Flash.
And for the supporters of Flash; Adobe had PLENTY of time to improve Flash and It didn't. Don't expect to change it soon. Adobe knows how to add features (bloat) applications, not improve resource use.
A couple of pages ago, someone mentioned Java being slow and crash-prone. I disagree. Java is not bad in itself. Bad Java coding/scripting, though, can make the computer act slow and crash a browser; this is true on any development platform.
Flash, on the other hand... well, I rarely see it used on a website for anything other than graphic manipulation and/or video delivery. The "graphic manipulation" part's not so bad, if the snazzy fading, letter tumbling and "lens flare" effects are kept to a minimum. Flash as a video container... ugh.
Flash, on the other hand... well, I rarely see it used on a website for anything other than graphic manipulation and/or video delivery. The "graphic manipulation" part's not so bad, if the snazzy fading, letter tumbling and "lens flare" effects are kept to a minimum. Flash as a video container... ugh.
Apple does support Flash (at least on the Mac), they just don't preinstall it on the MacBook Air.
It may just be the case that the current version wasn't stable/compatible with the shipping OS. Apple has been burned before by shipping a non-stable/security risky version of Flash on their Macs. It's easier to just leave it out. It'll take any user a minute to install the plug-in.
This reminds me when Apple left StuffIt Expander out of early versions of Mac OS X... but in that case a working version wasn't available at the time the disks were made...
This reminds me when Apple left StuffIt Expander out of early versions of Mac OS X... but in that case a working version wasn't available at the time the disks were made...
No, he has a dislike of internet technologies (or any core technology) which Apple can't implement for itself.
The problem isn't just that for years Flash was bad on the Mac (though it was).
The problem wasn't just that people blamed Apple when the YouTube video that player fine on their friends PC was jerky on the Mac while spinning up the fans fast enough to generate liftoff (though they did).
THE problem was that Apple couldn't do anything about it.
If Apple needs to fix a security hole, or support a new HTML5 feature, or improve performance in Safari, they can. They control the code, the QA, even the tools used to compile it. If the only way to be the level of performance they want for video playback is to add new hooks to the OS Apple can add them and know that (since they are the ones using them) they will be used safely.
Apple doesn't have that ability with Flash and never will. If Flash is slow and makes a Mac user's internet experience look bad vs PCs all Apple can do is ask Abode to assign more resources to its Mac team, they can't even set the priorities for that team.
THAT is what Steve hates.
You know, I think this may have a little bit to do with the couple times when Apple shipped Macbooks with an outdated version of flash (because Adobe released some security updates a few days ealier) and they got a bit of bad press because of it.
So what's the best way to solve it? Don't bundle flash. It's easy to install anyway.
Edit: LimeiBook86 beat me
So what's the best way to solve it? Don't bundle flash. It's easy to install anyway.
Edit: LimeiBook86 beat me
Agreed, Flash is still very useful.
There is a huge market saturation already for Flash. Apple(Steve) is/has been making a stance for quite some time as it is a resource hog, and would no doubt crash their Safari browser . And to be honest, there is something to be said about that >>> Good & Bad... To me, Apple does this as more of a PR stunt then a technical one. Yes, Apple's mediocre browser(Safari) crashes all the time from Flash, but Steve Jobs looks at this as more of being in the realms of the usual 'cutting-edge' of technology. He promotes his marketing stances better than anyone in today's technical world. He had a technical point to make about the adoption of HTML 5, and wanting to get rid of the the haphazard use of Flash... great time to make a stance. That's what he did, but Apple is going overboard in my mind. Ultimately, Apple knows it's a smart PR move.
And Steve makes a great point with the use and promotion of HTML5 and using H.264, but Flash could be throughly improved. Thus making it attractive to developers again. CSS5 seems to be heading in all the right directions within HTML5, but developers still develop in Flash and it is extremely effective today.
Adobe needs to get at it... Flash can easily have the market presence they are looking for.
Oh LTD. You fail to admit the obvious though. Most people in the real world don't know that the iPad or the iPhone doesn't support flash. They only know that some sites work and others don't.
And to my knowledge - there's been no hard data/survey as to what that has meant to the consumer as far as ACCEPTANCE vs TOLERANCE. And there's a difference. I won't argue sales #s.
People also have different use cases. Some people might not care one lick if they can't use flash on a phone or iPad - but very much want the capability to use it on their desktop. In fact - right now - most if not all video broadcast services (i.e. people who do live video podcasting) rely on Flash. HTML5 is not the same as Flash. There's OVERLAP - but it's not a replacement.
But again - ignorance (IE - not knowing) is not the same as accepting. Nor is tolerating.
Clearly you have no understanding of the Adobe/Apple relationship or history to make such a comment as if Adobe could just fix the issue without Apple's assistance. It's a two way street - and BOTH companies are at an impasse.
I have to admit, at times I've wished my MacBook Pro didn't have flash on it so as to extend the wireless battery life a bit more. Unfortunately, it's still all over most websites designed for computers rather than mobile devices so it's still necessary.
Right now I'd love a taskbar button that I could click to enable/disable Flash across all browser windows so that I can save battery life but still have access to Flash if I need it.
Right now I'd love a taskbar button that I could click to enable/disable Flash across all browser windows so that I can save battery life but still have access to Flash if I need it.
How about Gnash?
I realize that gnash is a lousy substutite for flash, RIGHT NOW, but if Apple were to put some development into it, we could have a flash clone that's not only open source but, more importantly for most end users, much less of a battery drain. Apple could optimize flash PROPERLY and take away control from Adobe at the same time.
I realize that gnash is a lousy substutite for flash, RIGHT NOW, but if Apple were to put some development into it, we could have a flash clone that's not only open source but, more importantly for most end users, much less of a battery drain. Apple could optimize flash PROPERLY and take away control from Adobe at the same time.
As of now IOS views on web pages account for only around 1-2% of page views. Good luck telling developers to spend thousands to millions of dollars to alter web pages, alienating more people than they would gain.
Adobe has tried, but every step of the way Steve fought or blocked them, luckily for apple most of the zealots just mindlessly believe what he claims about flash. The only people who have real problems with flash are a tiny minority of a tiny minority.
It's not, but then you get a faster Javascript engine than Safari, with more up-to-date HTML5 support (since Chrome is always ahead on Webkit releases) and it comes with the Flash player plugin integrated.
Your Avatar is right on target since your post is from 1969 or something. Tons of plugins already do "On Demand" Flash, welcome to like 2005.
Like I said, these news is rubbish, lock the thread, almost all windows installs I ve done over the years did not have flash.
Here are some exciting new machines, and instead of an original article on say os x lion features, we get a piss poor article that's yet another excuse for dead boring flash food fights. If you want the damn thing install it, it's dead easy, install it like you would on most windows and all Linux distros, if you don't forget it.
But for the love of god enough with the flash thing.
Arn, slivka, how about posting some actually insightful article on the new iLife, or air, or 10.7 instead of fanning the flames of the flash wars.
And to posters here, are you that easy to bait? Aren't there more exciting things in the apple world and elsewhere to talk about than beating the dead flash horse?
Here are some exciting new machines, and instead of an original article on say os x lion features, we get a piss poor article that's yet another excuse for dead boring flash food fights. If you want the damn thing install it, it's dead easy, install it like you would on most windows and all Linux distros, if you don't forget it.
But for the love of god enough with the flash thing.
Arn, slivka, how about posting some actually insightful article on the new iLife, or air, or 10.7 instead of fanning the flames of the flash wars.
And to posters here, are you that easy to bait? Aren't there more exciting things in the apple world and elsewhere to talk about than beating the dead flash horse?
They don't care about Mac, users or Apple. They only care about money. Block all ads.
Just tell him the name of the damn extension,it's click toflash, you don't have to mock the poor guy for not knowing, you didn't know once either, and the fact that you know now doesn't make you superior just a marginally informed geek.
As for chrome, we are all glad you like it, you can't inform others about a flash extension cause you can't be bothered and you ridicule them, but you are quick to tout chrome when no one asked to. Marvelous.
If you want to install Adobe's bad internet video codec plugin thingy, you still can.
lol, "internet video codec plugin thingy".
Flash does a lot more than video , and when it comes to video the codec it (mostly) uses is H.264.
Of course you could just say "Adobe's bad internet plugin thingy"