New Macbook in 2018?

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  1. coquemessa, Jan 2, 2018
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    coquemessa macrumors newbie

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    Hi,
    I'm thinking of buying a Macbook Intel Core 7 1,4GHz 512 / 16 GB Ram
    Its good moment to do it or its possible that Apple comes with a new one in 2018?
    Thanks in deed and best regards from Spain!
     
  2. tomjleeds macrumors 6502a

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  3. adam1080, Jan 2, 2018
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    Bought the same one just about a month ago because b&h photo had a sale... I'm loving mine and wish I had purchased one sooner. Such a great machine.

    I've seen lots of contradicting theories on whether or not specs will be updated this year. Of, course selfishly I hope they do not since I just bought one.

    I really don't think they will change the form factor at all for at least 2+ years since they just released a $150 leather case for it in November and 4-5 years seems to be their computer hardware refresh period.
    Apple likes to sell accessories, but they aren't big enough jerks to have one for a product that will only work for 8 months.

    The form factor is still praised 2 years after it's release, because it is amazing...

    (Things I want in the next MacBook: no or smaller bezels, 500 nits and color matching the pro screen, another usb c port and make em thunderbolt 3. that would be awesome, sure a better camera and FaceID or touchID would be great, but those don't matter as much to me.)
     
  4. tomjleeds macrumors 6502a

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    Definitely agree that the form factor isn’t going anywhere. It’s way too good!
     
  5. fokmik macrumors 68030

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    I wonder what cpu will have the next one. Or there is any fresh 5w cpu for the 2018?
     
  6. EugW macrumors 601

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    Rumour has it that the 10 nm Cannon Lake Y series chips for the MacBook will come in 2018 but a lot later in the year than the 2017 models did.

    So if true, either the new MacBook comes out Q4 2018, or else might even get delayed until 2019. For comparison, the 2017 MacBook came out in Q2 2017, which makes sense, since the m3-7Y32 also came out in Q2 2017. ie. It could possibly a 1.5 year gap between the 2017 MacBook and its successor.

    Also, most predictions suggest that the 10 nm version Y series chips appropriate for the MacBook will still be dual-core.
     
  7. dgdosen macrumors 65816

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    Is Intel going to come out with a Kaby Lake Refresh for Y chips?
     
  8. El Cabong macrumors 6502a

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    I just hope they come out with a high-end version (i.e. best specs, 4 USB-C ports) without the stupid touch bar. I've tried it, and I don't like it. At this point, I'm hoping my previous gen MBP lives forever.
     
  9. objektør macrumors regular

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    if I remember correctly there is first coming a Kaby Lake upgrade (coffee lake?) this year. Still 14 nm.
    Later on (towards the end of the year?) the Cannon Lake (10 nm) will come.
    So maybe a rMB Coffee Lake this year at WWDC (like last year) and a Cannon Lake refresh not before 2019.
     
  10. EugW, Jan 21, 2018
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    ???

    I already own a Kaby Lake Y MacBook, and in fact it’s running the second generation of Kaby Lake m3.

    1st Gen Kaby Lake m3-7Y30 (2016): https://ark.intel.com/products/95449/Intel-Core-m3-7Y30-Processor-4M-Cache-2_60-GHz-

    2nd Gen Kaby Lake m3-7Y32 (2017): https://ark.intel.com/products/97538/Intel-Core-m3-7Y32-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_00-GHz

    No Coffee Lake Y series.
     
  11. KPOM macrumors G5

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    Kaby Lake Refresh refers to the “8th generation” 15W chips that have 4 cores. I don’t believe one is planned for the Y chips since it is too difficult to do within 4.5W.
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    I don’t think so. Kaby Lake Refresh is for the 15W chips only. Higher wattage chips will get Coffee Lake (essentially Kaby Lake Refresh+). The Y chips likely won’t get updated until Cannon Lake.
     
  12. EugW, Jan 21, 2018
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    OK but as you say, that ain’t gonna happen for the MacBook, which use the Y series at likely >5 Watts (TDP up). The (rumoured) plan is a jump directly to Cannon Lake Y. But either way it’s likely dual-core.

    BTW, as of January 2018, there are new Sandra entries for unreleased Intel CPUs in the wild, for dual-core, quad-thread chips with a turbo speed of 2.6 GHz. Some of the geek sites are saying this is the new 10 nm Cannon Lake Y but I doubt it because the base clock is 2.2 GHz. Thus, I suspect these are Coffee Lake Core i3 or Pentium (or even possibly Celeron) 15 Watt chips.

    BTW, while I’m all set now with my Kaby Lake MacBook Core m3-7Y32 and Kaby Lake iMac Core i5-7600, I have toyed with the idea of getting a new Windows laptop since mine is from 2009 with a slow Pentium SU4100. I’d have no problem getting one with 8th generation Core i3 though if it had SSD and a decent screen. For my Windows desktop I am just upgrading its current Athlon II X3 435 triple-core to a Phenom II X6 1055T hex-core. 2010 technology but good enough for my purposes.
     
  13. dgdosen macrumors 65816

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    Thanks for all that - and it makes sense.

    If Coffee Lake comes out before Cannon Lake, I'd think Apple would start using "number of cores" as a differentiator between MBs and MBPs and maybe add an extra port or two onto the MB.
     
  14. robert1998 macrumors 6502

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    What I want to be in 2018's new MacBook :

    1) at least 13.3 inch display with Retina Display
    2) 2 x USB C Ports
    3) Better Keyboard
    4) CHEAPER PRICE
     
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    It all depends on Intel. 10nm Cannon Lake will likely be widely available at some point this year as supposedly they have started shipping some parts to OEMs.

    So to answer your question, yes, there probably will be an update. As to when, I have no idea.
     
  17. toddzrx macrumors 6502a

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    Wrong forum dude.
     
  18. navaira macrumors 68040

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    I don't care about the processor so much – if I did, I wouldn't buy a retina Macbook. But I would very much like to see a new keyboard that doesn't die when a speck of dust is present in the same room, 720p camera and a 13" version. Last two times I travelled abroad I took a can of compressed air along.

    Oh yes – please do NOT make the trackpad larger.
     
  19. dgdosen macrumors 65816

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    Anybody know if CannonLake will be a "drop in" replacement? Change in dye size? Chip set? - That would be an indication as to how drastic a change we're in for.
     
  20. Aquamite, Jan 26, 2018
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    Pretty drastic. For the MBP the die shrink theoretically means 28.5% improvements in smaller size along with power consumption comparing each Cannonlake CPU to it’s correspondant Coffee Lake R CPU. This is supposing that the main architecture is gonna be the same design as it’s predecesor like it’s always been with Intel every time they’ve moved to a smaller transistor manufacturing process.

    As a matter of this, they could theoretically increase Cannonlake’s clock speed up until they match Coffee Lake R power consumption. Which would mean (again considering they share CPU design) a boost of 28.5% in performance at the same Watts for every Cannonlake compared to it’s Coffe Lake R counterpart.

    Beyond that, there is the obvious reality that although Cannonlake CPUs might share general arquitecture design with Coffe Lake 2 CPUs, not everything is just going to be the same components just made smaller.

    Also Cannonlake will include lots of new components, some to replace other components that perform the same tasks better (like with the LPDDR4 and LPDDR3 interfaces) and some new others will be added for sure just to make all the new stuff work seamlessly on the same microarquitecture Coffe Lake R worked on (like including more than certainly some brand new memory controllers).

    All these additions will also have an impact in performance that I cannot estimate. But taking a wild guess I’d it’ll be positive and if I had to say a number based on what I’ve writen so far I’d say CL will have more than a 30% improvement in performance over CFR, as probably new hardware accelerations may be included.

    All these would be considering only the CPU architecture, socket, chipset, memory interface, supposed highest clock speed possible and leaving all the enigma of the graffics aside. Because we know nothing of them and the new iGPUs as they’ll impact power consumption, performance like in case they include new hardware accelerators for new video codecs, and walso will probably require a new graffics memory interface.
     
  21. apiro macrumors regular

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    Could you elaborate on this please? Any sources? :(
     
  22. Aquamite macrumors regular

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    Sorry I miss understudy the CFL2 info with the CNL for a moment while redacting the post and I though I had already edited and corrected the info before publishing it. Thanks for making me aware of my mistake. :)

    Actually Cannonlake are gonna be the FIRST consumer CPUs (xeons appart) to include AVX-512. So actually their ALUs will include new modules to run all the intructilna included in AVX-512. Maybe this will have an impact in power consumption that they can afford as only with the shrinking they have gained plenty of field to play with things that imply more power consumption.
     
  23. 827538 macrumors 65816

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    It's great that Intel include AVX-512 but I hardly think anything what so ever will use it on a MacBook. Also AVX based stuff on my desktop rig (delidded and liquid cooled 6700k) can really cause temperature (and I assume power) spikes.
     
  24. Aquamite macrumors regular

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    The fact that software uses the AVX-512 instruction set or not isn't necessarily tighten to developers wanting to rewrite their software to make some use out of it. Instead, it depends more on how the compiler is managing the use of AVX-512 instructions at the stage of having to write the asm code.

    I think it will be used and therefore it'll consume energy. And I think the improvements will be clearly visible in some tasks. However, we are talking about an hypothetical products that hasn't been announced, so the improvements are yet to be seen....
     
  25. Franco Borgo macrumors newbie

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    I have a 2015 Macbook retina and I agree on all 4
    1) look at the new Dell XPS with a 13.3"screen vs MBR 12"
    ...............Thickness.........................Width...................Depth
    Dell........ 0.78–1.16 cm (0.3"- 0.46") 30.20 cm (11.90") 19.9 cm (7.80")
    MacBook. 0.35–1.31 cm (0.14–0.52") 28.05 cm (11.04") 19.65 cm (7.74")
    2. Tired of Dongle
    3. I am kind of scare , not sure they have improve it so far.
    4. it has to, MBA is way too old. I like work in cafe around town.
    .....Now i see that students have a lot less Apple Logo on their laptop than a few year back.
     

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