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New Macbook in 2018?
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BTW, the 15 Watt Cannon Lake (10 nm) Core i3-8121U gets about 8050/4100.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=8121u&sort=multicore_score
That's actually lower than the much lower power Kaby Lake (14 nm) Core i7-7Y75 at about 8500/4450.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=7y75&sort=multicore_score
This is just more evidence that the MacBooks won't get a significant CPU boost from Intel any time soon.
I looked on Intel Ark and apparently updates to the 4.5 W chips Apple uses in the MacBook aren’t even available yet. This doesn’t bode well for Macbook updates if Apple chooses to stick with Intel, unless of course they get early access or first availability on updates. And as you hypothesise, the improvements in any updated chips will be incremental at best.
Intel are so hopeless and I hope Apple switches to the A-Series sooner rather than later. This could see the MacBook get a big boost in graphics also.
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Intel ARK pages often don’t appear until the chips are already out.
But my point was that the appearance of Cannon Lake U 10 nm in 2018 that performs like Kaby Lake Y 14 nm from 2016 doesn’t bode well for Cannon Lake Y updates in 2018. Also, in the recent past, the new generation of a chip launched on Y not U, so that also doesn’t bode well for Y this time around.
In fact, many people think Cannon Lake Y has been cancelled completely.
There is no yield. Simple as that. And Intel cant ship those to Apple at any decent margin or quantities.
What this say is Intel has bigger problem in 10nm then we know. My guess is MacBook in this WWDC will be exactly the same ( except the keyboard hopefully ) and just price reduction. $1099 is perfectly achievable with much cheaper NAND, Memory then last year. Not sure if it could reach $999.
Praying for 13.8"or 14"MacBook....
What this say is Intel has bigger problem in 10nm then we know. My guess is MacBook in this WWDC will be exactly the same ( except the keyboard hopefully ) and just price reduction. $1099 is perfectly achievable with much cheaper NAND, Memory then last year. Not sure if it could reach $999.
Praying for 13.8"or 14"MacBook....
Well, maybe not completely:
https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/996706570552524800?s=19
This is a 10 nm Cannon Lake Core m3 with a base clock (possibly with TDP up) of 1.5 GHz and an incorrectly listed turbo.
If real, this appears to be a low volume part, and probably the Core i3-8121U we've seen recently is the same chip with the iGPU disabled and configured for higher power usage. In other words, it would seem that there is a low volume CNL-Y Core m3 out there, and a corresponding CNL-U Core i3 that is the same part but which doesn't function properly with the CNL-Y GPU and power requirements.
Agreed. That CPU above wouldn't meet the needs of Apple or any other high volume manufacturer. In fact, as you know, Intel has already stated that high volume 10 nm won't be available until 2019.
Apple could always introduce an Apple A12 endowed 12" and/or 13" MacBook.
I still doubt they will. Although I am happy to be wrong on this one. But before any of these $1099 or even $999 MacBook , Please fix my keyboard first.....
What do you guys think about the display, should Apple switch to OLED? I think they should jump on MicroLED as soon as possible (i.e. when it becomes financially feasible as the tech is too expensive at the moment). I hear it has all the advantages of OLED but none of the drawbacks. It's like OLED in that it has no backlighting (inky blacks) but doesn't suffer from OLED's two main drawbacks: color fading and ghost images, the latter being more of an issue on computer gadgets than on TVs. Oh and MicroLED screens are also brighter.
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The MacBook won’t get the best display technology before the iPad Pro or MacBook Pro if ever. The Pro models seem ideal candidates to get MicroLED eventually, particularly the iPad Pro. Maybe even the iPhone will switch to microLED. It’s all speculative at this point, but I don’t see it happening any time soon.
It would be nice if the MacBook got DCI-P3 colour gamut, but that erases a point of difference with the base MacBook Pro.
I am not aware how OLED tech could last long enough on an iPad, let along Mac where you have your display on with non moving images / pixels for far longer. OLED has definitely improved, but still not enough and I wonder if it was ever be good enough on that front.
LCD currently being used by Apple Mac is still ˜10x cheaper then those OLED, and uses less energy on Mac due to amount of white being displayed. While OLED tech has hit a plateau, and most innovation are now going into how to make display panel last longer while getting it cheaper, LCD still have quite a few innovation working out that will move its quality and power efficient level further up, such as the LG MLCD+, along with other Mini LED backlight solution. Quantum Dot etc.
LG's WOLED has the potential but even by its own roadmap it expect to have its panel to be within double the price of LCD in 2022. And I am not entirely sure if WOLED is or will be good enough for Desktop uses.
MicroLED is so far out there is no point mentioning it. In 2014 when Apple acquired LuxVue I mentioned in a few post on AI that even by most optimistic unreal timeline MicroLED is coming out in 2018 and I will be surprised if they have it shipping in 2020. Turns out pretty much correct. MicroLED is still in R&D stage. I.e it isn't even about making cost optimisation and manufacture scaling issues, which takes 1 to 2 years at least. It is that it isn't even working properly, reliably, and have a prototype.
I would be concerned about Apple's implementation of PWM with an OLED display. Based on the iPhone X, it's not clear that Apple understands this as an issue for users.
PWM isn't an OLED issues, more like a Samsung OLED issues. LG's POLED doesn't have this problem.
By the way you could do PWM free with iOS 11
https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2018/03/...to-stop-oled-flickering-in-just-three-clicks/
My understanding is also that MicroLED is still at least a couple of years out. My point was whether Apple should skip OLED altogether on its notebooks and wait for MicroLED which fixes the ghost images and fading color problems. Now I had not heard that they were having so many problems with MicroLED. Do you know what they are?
"Skip" as if they have already plans for it? Purely from a cost perspective, remember the screen on iPad and Mac are 4 - 2x times larger then iPhone. Example the 13" MacBook Pro display is 4x the size of 5.8 iPhone X, the BOM cost of MacBook Pro Display alone in OLED would be $400. Are you willing to pay $600 more for an OLED display MBP?
MicroLED problem = yield. You are basically making each and every pixel individually and lump them together, and then transfer them reliably, correctly aligned and cheaply. There are different type of MicroLED but their problem are all pretty much the same. Yield. ( Samsung MicroLED display, as in "The Wall" isn't really MicroLED as talked in here. )
To answer your question directly, no one knows. OLED was talked in the late 90s by medias as holy grail of Display and continue to be main stream media's fantasies in Mid 2000s. It wasn't until recent few years OLED was as good as it promised, high DPI, flexible, and affordable. That is 20 years in the making. One of the early hope was OLED will be so cheap it will be printed on a plastic better then what ever LCD has to offer. JDI is still working on that, its quality is up to question, but it is definitely a lot cheaper. MicroLED is in the similar stage, lots of hope, lots buzz. You cant really plan ahead for non existent tech. May be OLED will solve all of its problem by the time MicroLED is ready. Who knows. May be LG will manage to have much better WOLED, may be we see much cheaper LCD with high PPI, better LED backlight and Quantum Dots. All I know is we won't see much change til 2020. And you will have to see how all the progress in 2020 again to make prediction.
They're gone on the Canada apple.ca refurb store too, but OTOH, there are lots of them still on the UK apple.co.uk refurb store.
Sometimes I look at the UK site and they are all gone, and next day they are back. Site maintenance ?
Custom rMB models on Dutch apple.com store are delivered from June 4 onwards. Some show as June 4-6, some as June 5-8.
This generally never works as a predictor of hardware refresh, but it's the most information we've got, so let's drive ourselves crazy by checking the dates and refurbs
This generally never works as a predictor of hardware refresh, but it's the most information we've got, so let's drive ourselves crazy by checking the dates and refurbs
Agree. When new models are coming, often NEW inventory shrinks or disappears. I don't recall that happening with refurb inventory, and it wouldn't make any sense.
In any case, there is a rMB model (just one) on the US refurb site this morning. rMBP refurbs are down to four models, too. Probably just supply/demand.
I did an Apple Store USA configure-to-order (i5 16 GB) and it ships in 1-3 days. You can ship to a retail Apple Store if you want.Custom rMB models on Dutch apple.com store are delivered from June 4 onwards. Some show as June 4-6, some as June 5-8.
This generally never works as a predictor of hardware refresh, but it's the most information we've got, so let's drive ourselves crazy by checking the dates and refurbs
I look at the UK Refurbs each morning. Last weekend there were none you're right, probably site maintenance.
There are base model 2017 rMB's and MB Pro's every day in at least one colour, has been this way for the last eight weeks - like I say I check every morning... until the last 72 hours where there have been no base models for the £1059 price, just the next model up - this applies to both rMB and MB Pro, could be co-incidence or more to it.
This thread is a great example of why Apple needs to go ARM on (at least some) Mac.
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but to those with my knowledge about processors than I:
Let’s say that Apple has got macOS working on ARM and launches marzipan early etc.
What would a MacBook powered by the A10x feel like?
Slower, compatible, or faster than 2017’s MacBook?
(Or even better, if anyone is able to extrapolate how an A11x might perform from the YoY gains from the previous iPad processors, that would be great).
Let’s imagine it’s using the A series GPU, as well.
Btw: I do understand that there’s different multitasking on the Mac compared to IOS so it’s not an ‘apples with apples’ comparison, exactly (geddit?)
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but to those with my knowledge about processors than I:
Let’s say that Apple has got macOS working on ARM and launches marzipan early etc.
What would a MacBook powered by the A10x feel like?
Slower, compatible, or faster than 2017’s MacBook?
(Or even better, if anyone is able to extrapolate how an A11x might perform from the YoY gains from the previous iPad processors, that would be great).
Let’s imagine it’s using the A series GPU, as well.
Btw: I do understand that there’s different multitasking on the Mac compared to IOS so it’s not an ‘apples with apples’ comparison, exactly (geddit?)
A11X would make for a good MacBook, faster than the current Intel one.