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Ok, I guess I will save your message so when you (or someone else) trip on the power cable, it yanks your new Mac onto the floor, and there is nothing but tears, mangled aluminum, shattered display, and trashed USB-C port... I can remind you to be grateful that that mild MagSafe annoyance is gone.

I don't put my MBP in a position for this to happen, and I'm not stupid enough to do it myself. I look after my ****... Im not clumsy.
 
I don't put my MBP in a position for this to happen, and I'm not stupid enough to do it myself. I look after my ****... Im not clumsy.

Mistakes can happen. I'm incredibly careful and always have been with my mac laptops. Have had mac laptops for 18 years, never once got liquid on the keyboard, but one time I did drop a powerbook in a hotel room onto the hard floor and it bent it. A single mishap in 18 years. But all it takes it one. So to forsake a clever little safety feature like magsafe, and label it 'unecessary', is just silly IMO. Would it really kill you if Apple kept magsafe there?
 
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Still not sure how the cooling would be with that. Not arguing that the multi core support wouldn't be benefitted, but I'm sure there is good reason intel or AMD hasn't tried to do that yet.
AMD will be going consumer 8-core with Zen. The smaller process nodes that they are going to start using are much more power efficient than the bigger ones. Also, Intel's process nodes are still significantly better than anyone else's, as they number them differently. Intel's 14nm node is equivalent to TSMC/GloFo/etc 10nm. If AMD can do an 8-core CPU at normal TDPs, then so can Intel.

2.0ghz 8-core seems unlikely in a 45watt TDP. I would love to see that happen, but the thermal build up and the needed heat dissipation would definitely need a much larger heat sink.
Intel make 15W dual core CPUs, and 28W dual core CPUs. Binning processors to find the most power efficient ones can result in some excellent efficiency products.

It's just weird how many people think they know exactly how the heat process works in these chips and how the speed of the chips can easily be adjusted to incorporate multi core chips.
You don't need to overcomplicate. The power required by a chip is predominantly because of inductor impedance, which scales with the square of frequency. You can look at the clock speeds vs TDPs of typical CPUs to show that. Also, are you suggesting that TDP would not scale linearly with core count? Anyway, it is easier to cool a larger chip with a certain TDP than a smaller one, as it has a larger surface area.

If they had to weigh things out on performance, I'm thinking Apple might value the single core market for where most of the apps go. Word documenting programs and such don't really need that power, and not to say that video editing and 3D rendering isn't done on macboook pros, maybe Apple doesn't want those to be taken away from their Mac Pro.
An 8-core CPU will still run single threaded operations as fast as a quad, or a dual core, because of Turbo Boost. In terms of people not needing that much power, people who just use their computer for word processing should be buying the MacBook, not the MacBook Pro. The Mac Pro is in a different class, as it predominantly relies on having GPU power available that it would simply be impossible to put in a notebook for close to a decade.

Honestly this is all just speculation, and I'm sure Apple and intel have a very skilled research and development team, creating charts and graphs that better understand the market.
Again, it's not an issue with Apple. Apple can only use the CPUs that exist. And Intel refuses to make 8-core CPUs at less than 3.2 GHz, and even then only for their enthusiast grade socket.
 
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Man, the Mac Pro and Mac Mini neglect is just disgusting. The sad part is, if these updates aren't great, what other great company is there? Seems like there aren't any that match apple in terms of vision and attention to detail. Anxious to see how the Macbook Pro turns out. Ive been waiting for over a year, so ready to get rid of my desktop. My monitors will stay for dual screen laptop use though.
They have enough resources to continue to creatively design and Update the Macpro, especially for professional use. The fact that they don't is sad. Apple seems to live off of the failures of their competitors more than anything else.
 
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i don't get this whole USB C thing they're pushing on macs yet not on iOS devices. No one has devices that natively use these ports so what good are 4 of them? and taking away the SD card slot is a damn shame for us photographers
USB C is a universal multipurpose port that can do basically anything while i do not like the fact that there will be no other port it will force accessory maker to come out with more usb-c peripherals. Very soon you will be able to use type of cable for everything which is awesome IMO. (It will just suck in the meantime)
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Any ideas on what the 15" i7 + 16GB + 512 SSD will cost?
$2500 I hope there will be a price drop but another price hike is more realistic
 
Yeah Autodesk. They haven't even ported Revit to MacOS yet. AutoCad has been though
I know of severa architecture office that use iMacs to run revit via boot camp their argument was the resale value they get as opposed to windows based systems. Certainly not every office, it some make the compromise.
 
It would be nice to see the Mac mini get some sort of speed bump, at least I could run it with something like a 34" curved monitor. 5k is over kill for the whole 27" iMac range.

But sadly it looks like neither will get a look in at this event
 
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Great posts, but ...

THERE WILL BE NO KABY LAKE UPDATES TO THE 15" MBP

because

THERE ARE NO KABY LAKE CHIPSETS WITH IRIS PRO ON INTEL'S ROADMAP.

ok. I'm done now.

Because the only Kaby Lake processors available are the 4.5W Core m and 15W varieties. The 13" MacBook Pros have historically used the 28W processors (25W is the equivalent for Kaby Lake). The 15" MacBook Pros have used the Iris Pro graphics. Those aren't expected until mid-2017.
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So you'd rather Apple wait until Q2-2017 to release the MacBook Pros?

Intel releases new generations of chips with a ROLLING launch.

  1. Ultra Low voltage chips are released first
  2. Then low voltage dual core
  3. Then normal dual core and quad core mobile chips.
  4. THEN higher powered dual core and quad core chips
  5. Finally, desktop chips are released
  6. And last, server chips (xeons) arrive.
This roll out can take SEVERAL YEARS, and rolls INTO the next generation launch.

RIGHT NOW, only steps 1 and 2 have occurred for Kaby Lake, and Skylake Xeons JUST came out July 2016. So, if you want Kaby Lake MacBook Pros, they'll be here summer 2017. Right now ONLY the sky lake chips are out.

Therefore:

* For the retina MacBook, we'll get Kaby Lake
* For the MacBook air (IF it's updated) we will get Kaby Lake
* For the MacBook Pro, we'll get Skylake, and we'll get a small refresh in the spring/summer 2017 for Kaby Lake, or they might wait until fall 2017 to do the whole spec bump
* For the iMac, Skylake, with a Fall 2017 Kaby Lake bump
* And if apple releases a Mac Pro, it'll have a Skylake Xeon chip.
 
I know of severa architecture office that use iMacs to run revit via boot camp their argument was the resale value they get as opposed to windows based systems. Certainly not every office, it some make the compromise.

I know several mid sized firms [around 40 people] who use ArchiCAD. I really don't see how such complex pieces of software will be easily ported to ARM.
 
Mistakes can happen. I'm incredibly careful and always have been with my mac laptops. Have had mac laptops for 18 years, never once got liquid on the keyboard, but one time I did drop a powerbook in a hotel room onto the hard floor and it bent it. A single mishap in 18 years. But all it takes it one. So to forsake a clever little safety feature like magsafe, and label it 'unecessary', is just silly IMO. Would it really kill you if Apple kept magsafe there?

Would it really kill you if they DIDN'T keep it?

Im doing a uni masters and I do a lot of my work in bed (yea I know... lol) and its a pain in the arse moving the laptop around while holding the cable carefully to stop it coming off. Its annoying as hell.

I accept some people like this feature, but for me its a negative. In the same context you have to accept some people DON'T like this feature.

Either way its irrelevant because its going for good, if the Macbook is anything to go by.
 
Great posts, but ...

THERE WILL BE NO KABY LAKE UPDATES TO THE 15" MBP

because

THERE ARE NO KABY LAKE CHIPSETS WITH IRIS PRO ON INTEL'S ROADMAP.

ok. I'm done now.

This is really too logical this argument.
People WANT KABY LAKE...its the LATEST...ITS THE BEST...
It doesn't really matter if its completely unsuitable...
 
This is really too logical this argument.
People WANT KABY LAKE...its the LATEST...ITS THE BEST...
It doesn't really matter if its completely unsuitable...

FWIW i think the 15" will still get Kaby it's just that there will be no iGPU option only. A shame because I wouldn't touch an rMBP with a dGPU with a very long stick. I don't require OMG SUPER graphics performance for VM's and SSH sessions but I do require reliability and not getting randomly stuck with the dGPU slurping down juice like it's going out of style.
 
AMD will be going consumer 8-core with Zen. The smaller process nodes that they are going to start using are much more power efficient than the bigger ones. Also, Intel's process nodes are still significantly better than anyone else's, as they number them differently. Intel's 14nm node is equivalent to TSMC/GloFo/etc 10nm. If AMD can do an 8-core CPU at normal TDPs, then so can Intel.
Isnt the 8 core zen the announce just a desktop processor so far? Did they already release the spec sheet for it?

Intel make 15W dual core CPUs, and 28W dual core CPUs. Binning processors to find the most power efficient ones can result in some excellent efficiency products.
Im not familiar with the all the chips, but from what people were mentioning in the thread 45W is the target for the 15" macbook pro. I'm not sure if the power draw is exact, but an 8 core chip could be handled in a 45W TDP?

You don't need to overcomplicate. The power required by a chip is predominantly because of inductor impedance, which scales with the square of frequency. You can look at the clock speeds vs TDPs of typical CPUs to show that. Also, are you suggesting that TDP would not scale linearly with core count? Anyway, it is easier to cool a larger chip with a certain TDP than a smaller one, as it has a larger surface area.
Didn't mean to over complicate, just not sure if its doable. You mention that dual core CPUs with a 28W, so that means a quad with a 45W. So are we looking at getting a 90W octo if possible, but to scale down the frequency we would realistically look at a 1.2 GHz octo core?

An 8-core CPU will still run single threaded operations as fast as a quad, or a dual core, because of Turbo Boost. In terms of people not needing that much power, people who just use their computer for word processing should be buying the MacBook, not the MacBook Pro. The Mac Pro is in a different class, as it predominantly relies on having GPU power available that it would simply be impossible to put in a notebook for close to a decade.
And yes, you are right about those using macbook vs macbook pros.
Mind you I'm not an engineer of any sort, just trying to better understand how this would turn out. I think the folks over at linustechtips showed that the 10-core intel processor had slower single threaded performance than the 4 core haswell and skylake variants. Not sure if that means that would apply to the single threaded performance to its mobile counter parts.

Again, it's not an issue with Apple. Apple can only use the CPUs that exist. And Intel refuses to make 8-core CPUs at less than 3.2 GHz, and even then only for their enthusiast grade socket.
Since its not really an issue with apple, and up to intel, maybe the tech isnt really there yet to be actually used in consumer products. I want to understand the difficulties they are having with it and why its difficult. Does that mean AMD has finally figured out how to make a very power efficient processor? I think i remember them showing a demo of their 8-core vs intel's and beat them by about a fraction of a second, but a few things werent mentioned with the testing method so im not sure what to make of it.
 
Would it really kill you if they DIDN'T keep it?

Im doing a uni masters and I do a lot of my work in bed (yea I know... lol) and its a pain in the arse moving the laptop around while holding the cable carefully to stop it coming off. Its annoying as hell.

I accept some people like this feature, but for me its a negative. In the same context you have to accept some people DON'T like this feature.

Either way its irrelevant because its going for good, if the Macbook is anything to go by.

Use some gaffer tape?
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FWIW i think the 15" will still get Kaby it's just that there will be no iGPU option only. A shame because I wouldn't touch an rMBP with a dGPU with a very long stick. I don't require OMG SUPER graphics performance for VM's and SSH sessions but I do require reliability and not getting randomly stuck with the dGPU slurping down juice like it's going out of style.

gfxCardStatus can force it to integrated only unless it's obsolete in newest OS. I'm on Yosemite.
 
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Last year's CPU? Crappy GPU? Mac's dead. :(

FIRE TIM COOK ALREADY!!!!!!

It's. Not. Last. Year's. CPU. Razer have only just made their first release of the 6700HQ Skylake that just came out in June 2016 and they're the 2nd or 3rd after Intel. The equivalent Kaby Lake won't be released until June next year and incorporated in laptops this time next year.
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gfxCardStatus can force it to integrated only unless it's obsolete in newest OS. I'm on Yosemite

Yeah I know but it offers me zero advantages and only the disadvantage of janitoring it.
 
Speed, pencil support, screen quality and features and the smart connector

For the current Pro version to actually be better than the Air version, Apple needs to actually produce a current Air version. With the Air 2 being over two years old, Apple has not convinced me that the line is still alive.
 
For the current Pro version to actually be better than the Air version, Apple needs to actually produce a current Air version.

Not really, no? They can be compared as they are and that was the question I responded to.

Will they release a new Air? No idea.
 
All wired headphones will work with all devices, just as they do now. You'll just have to use an adapter or swap a cable, just like a lot of us have been doing since way before the iphone 7 did away with the 1/8th inch jack. The only exception being that you won't be able to use the crappy iphone lightning buds that came with your iphone with your Mac, but then why would you want to?

If Apple removes the headphone jack from both the iPhone and the Mac and then standardises the iPhone on the Lightning connector while the Mac standardises on USB-C... it's the opposite of their slogans of making things simple/it just works.
 
If Apple removes the headphone jack from both the iPhone and the Mac and then standardises the iPhone on the Lightning connector while the Mac standardises on USB-C... it's the opposite of their slogans of making things simple/it just works.

It's a problem that everyone's seen coming since they released the rMB with just USB-C ports. It's not like it's the end of the world to use an adapter but, yep, for sure it's pretty stupid. They must have known (or at least you would hope they're looking that far out) they were going wireless/lightning only in the 7, even ewhen they release the first rMB so either including a lightning port in that or going USB-C would have resolved a lot unnecessary awkardness. It's an odd move.
 
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