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have to admit, Timmy Cook's troll job is top notch. forget what I said about you before Tim, I was not as familiar with your game!!!
 
I have three at 70 watts or higher. All of them are non-Apple. The lack of a charger just means there is one less charger I have to leave in a box. Include the cable and skip the charger.
I dunno. Skip the cable too. Unless there is an option for which cable. I have not used the MagSafe charger since it went away the first time. In the office Mac is plugged into my Thunderbolt dock and at home it's connected to my USB-C monitor. No need for the MagSafe. When I travel I use UCB'S to charge since that also charges my iPhone, iPad, headphones, etc. I can use one cable for all. OK, I bring two with me on the off chance I need to charger more than one device at the same time. I really cannot see the value in bringing a dedicated cable with me. Granted, I guess there is always that possibility of someone tripping over my cord, but that really is not a high concern - a little forethought goes a long way.

And carrying a 140W GAN charger with four ports means I am not carrying that much with me.
 
I think that it's the law original spirit:

Unbundling the sale of the charging device from the sale of the electronic device

When an economic operator offers consumers and other end-users the option to acquire the covered radio equipment together with a charging device (external power supply), the economic operator must also offer the consumers and other end-users the option of acquiring this radio equipment without any charging device.

Consumers will thus be able to purchase a new electronic device without a new charging device.

It appears Apple took the easiest pass to comply by not offering a charger option; thus complying with the law and not potentially having to offer the non-charger version at a lower price. I suspect had the offered a charger teh EU would demand teh non-charger model be discounted.

So where is the option that includes a charger for the same price?

The law does not require offering a charger; not offering one keeps SKUs down.

Probably worth mentioning in the article, that the cost of the base model went down by 100€. M4 base config was 1899€ in Germany, M5 base config is 1799€ now.
This thread is filled with outrage without a single person actually checking the numbers.

We do not let facts get in the way of outrage. This is the internet.

On the whole, I think I'd take EU consumer laws where Apple can be forced to repair devices upto 7 years after purchase versus a free power adapter.

However, the question then becomes what is a reasonable price?
 
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Timmy the accountants Apple.

Money first, customer satisfaction last.

I’m off work Ill and watched the original iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 4 reveals with Steve and those were the days. iPhone too expensive, we dropped the price. He genuinely cared for consumers.
 
It's all very well saying people should already own an appropriate charger but what about the first-time buyer or someone whose charger is old and possibly unsafe? Not a great way to greet a new customer. Personally, I think it's shabby.
Part of the regulation requires clear labeling indicating you are buying an EU approved product that comes without a chargers, so it is in the buyer to pay attention and buy the charger if they need it.
 
Just one clarification point. It isn’t because of the EU. How do I know you might ask (correctly so). Switzerland is not part of the EU, never has been. It is the country in the middle of Europe where iPhone mirroring is available, where all the rules of for the EU where never applied. We had the immediate release of Apple Intelligence, iPhone mirroring (as written), live translations on AirPods. All of it. And yet the charger for the MBP is also optional. It is a hidden price hike in the non US markets to offset the decreased revenues in the US due to tariffs. The computer costs the same, tariffs or not. But “other countries” have a price increase, due to the lack of an accessory, that helps to offset the price increase the US customers would otherwise have suffered. The rest is just fiction.

Final note: the law mentioned in the article does not apply in Switzerland. Because we are not part of the EU, and never have been.

My personal take is that this is one of the smartest moves by a company to spread the cost of US tariffs to “the rest of the world” and one many other companies will copy soon enough. Do I like it? Not a bit!!
I guess there are no rules in Swizerland that a charger must be included?
 
Problem was never on the charger side of the cable. Apple Plug was always USB-A/-C, the device side was an „environmental“ problem according to EU (with 30-pin and Lightning).
Not disagreeing there. but, as I said, (my) reading between the lines is to reduce the number of chargers out there. If all devices support USB-C and most (all?) blocks are USB-C, then all devices can use a compatible USB-C to USC-C cable. And you can mix and match blocks and cords and devices.

edit: typo
 
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And the car will take 24 hours to charge up as a result.
Fortunately most people don’t drive 200 - 309 miles on a typical day and mainly charge to 80% so their car will be “fully” charged overnight even on a regular plug (especially in Europe with more common 240v outlets). If you are driving on a long trip, that’s what a fast charging station is for.
 
I still have the 90W charger from my 2016 MBP.
I still have the charger from my M1 MBA.
I have a half dozen of the old style 5W chargers that came with iPhones.
I have 5 charging cables/pucks that came with AWs

I am in favor of reducing electronic waste
 
There is a law about power adapters for laptops and it starts in April 2026, which assuming this laptop will still be the newest one sold then kind of makes sense.

IInteresting! So it EUs fault, not Apple’s. Apple is only complying in the optimal way by not including the charger and keeping the same price.
 
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Even better for Apple, they get to use the EU as cover for what they want to do everywhere, eventually, anyways.

They probably laugh about it in meetings at the spaceship.
Tbh they made it pretty easy as the law demands that

"Manufacturers may provide a way to NOT include the charger in the box "

Which you'd want them to either reduce the base price , or make the charger included for free . Instead they charge the same price , and make you pay a hefty price for it

The only ones I've seen do a proprer implementation is valve , god bless their souls . The price is the same whether or not you include the charger in the steam deck or no, it's just up to you
 
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Compared to last year's M4 MBP you now have the choice of saving €100 and moaning about the lack of charger, or saving €41 and not having anything to moan about.

So, Apple is now paying us Europeans €59 to have a good moan. Interesting move, commercially.
Might be €-$ related . Seeing as the AirPods pro 3 got a 30€ price decrease , it wouldn't be far fetched
 
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IInteresting! So it EUs fault, not Apple’s. Apple is only complying in the optimal way by not including the charger and keeping the same price.

That's general order #1 around here.

Insert anything you like for "EU".
Nothing is ever Apple's fault.
 
What a ridiculous situation! It's not a £10 charger is it and the price of the product hasn't decreased. Absolute corporate BS
 
have to admit, Timmy Cook's troll job is top notch. forget what I said about you before Tim, I was not as familiar with your game!!!
"Top notch"? Is this a sly reference to the fact that Mac Books are still sporting that notch on the top of the screen instead of a Dynamic Island?

Also, while I appreciate how many of the changes Apple has had to make for the EU has benefited the US (USB-C iPhone ports for example)...however, the removal of laptop power adapters is not a precedent I want to see here.
 
Not disagreeing there. but, as I said, (my) reading between the lines is to reduce the number of chargers out there. If all devices support USB-C and most (all?) blocks are USB-C, then all devices can use a compatible USB-C to USC-C cable. And you can mix and match blocks and cords and devices.

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Apple theocratically could sell two variants - one with a charging block and one with no charging block. Instead, they opt not to include a charging block, but you can bundle it at purchase nearly offsetting the savings of 100€ you have compared to last years device.

I do not understand, why offers the bundle options anywhere else as long as Apple features the information of the missing charging block in package. It‘s the same question, why Apple does not offer the e-sim only versions of the iPhone 17 Pro (Max) as an option (alongside the version with the Sim Tray-version offered outside the US).

Unifying the device connection caused (and still causes) a lot of waste - since there are a lot of „old“ iPhones (and even iPads or AirPods) with Lightning connections in the wild - even though the iPhones lost the Lightning connection a couple of years ago.
 
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