New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in Europe

[kid1230]

I don’t think wanting to save the earth makes you a “nerd” but greenwashing to delete the charger is disingenuous.

I think it's safe to say this isn't purely to save the world and they are taking advantage of doing a "good deed"

 

[Just_Kevin]

If this was 100% purely based on Apple’s desire to increase profits this would not be solely for Europe. In my humble opinion.

 

[joris538]

I remember my first Macbook Pro came with a VGA dongle, DVI dongle, Magsafe power cable, 90-ish watt power brick, extension cable, documentation, and stickers. It really was everything you needed to use your computer.

And a cloth!

 

[CopiumWafu]

Good! The Europeans don't deserve a charger in the box. Every time you turn around the EU is suing Apple for something. FAFO. If they had included the charger the EU would have probably sued them for including it anyway. This is a fantastic move!

You think having to reuse a USB-C charger scares anyone? Europe has the financials to not care.

 

[dantay]

Why would they be stupid enough to give up money?

Some people are stupid enough to vote for Trump get Botox and teeth whitening……there’s no limit to stupidity unfortunately.

 

[Lioness~]

I wan't the option of not adding to Tim's undeserving sallary when I buy my Apple-stuff 🥰

 

[hans1972]

They should at least include a discount code or something similar if you need to buy a charger, or offer some other way to get one. Yet another opportunity for the EU to step in and make them fix this issue.

The goal of the common charger directive is to unbundle the sale of electronic devices and chargers. What Apple is doing here is what the EU wants.

 

[Stevez67]

I wan't the option of not adding to Tim's undeserving sallary when I buy my Apple-stuff 🥰

I see. Tim is greedy, but you're not for wanting free stuff. Gotcha.

 

[hans1972]

It’s all to help the environment……🤣🤣🤣

It's the goal of the EU's common charger directive, the one who made it obligatory with a USB-C port.

 

[hans1972]

This is ridiculous. While I support Apple not providing a charger with iPhones and iPads, every laptop needs a different power brick.

Here Apple is following the goal of EU: The unbundling of electronic devices and chargers.

 

[hans1972]

The UK is not in the EU. It’s nonsense and penny pinching.

There has been a call for evidence about the common charger directive to apply it for the UK: https://www.gov.uk/government/calls...rger-for-electrical-devices-call-for-evidence

 

[Lioness~]

I see. Tim is greedy, but you're not for wanting free stuff. Gotcha.

Where did I say I wanted free stuff?
Your interpretation, your mind.

 

[ericinboston]

All you Europeans...go buy it and then return it a few days later and simply state "it doesn't have a charger."

A few hundred or thousand returns due to this reason should change Apple's mind. Online petitions and protests won't help. Go buy it, open it, use it for a few days, return it and force Apple to deal with selling them now as USED/REFURBISHED.

p.s. I get that many people already have a charger(s) that MAY charge certain newly-purchased devices correctly/speedily. But to NOT include one because, in reality, Apple thinks you already have one that can somehow fulfill the need, is arrogant.

 

[stiliyan]

I’m sorry if this has already been posted:

I compared the price of the M5 MacBook Pro to the price of the M4 MacBook Pro (at launch) for Italy, France, and Germany, as well as for Switzerland: in these three EU member states, the price decreased by €100, while in Switzerland it dropped by 50 Swiss francs.

Although both currencies have strengthened against the dollar since the beginning of the year, Apple could also have maintained the same price compared to the MacBook Pro M4.

I personally would have preferred the option to buy the MacBook without an included charger and an even steeper price drop to account for the > 10% increase in EUR/USD since January… but I’m aware that this would’ve been too much too expect since it’s still Apple we are talking about.

I am pretty sure that this is only because of the currency exchange rates.
In UK the price is the same 1599GBP and as far as I understood - they removed the charger in UK as well.

 

[M3T]

I'm glad Apple couldn't get into cars because they'd just push dumb standards like this on the industry and everyone else would copy them.

 

[davidf18]

Not any cheaper though

Actually it is cheaper when you take into account inflation.

 

[KikoPT]

I had to double check this on the Portuguese apple site. That is in fact true. This is the most anti-consumer decision I’ve ever seen from apple. So you buy a device that DOES NOT work as it is.

Sad, but I’m forced to never buy another Apple laptop. Will start to migrate to windows again or Linux.

Heck, for the price I can even have a 2-in-1 solid option with foldable screen and such and ditch the iPad also.

Ridiculous move from Apple IMHO

 

[hans1972]

the law requires chargers to be interoperable, using... ummmmm... USB-C, so it's exactly the charger that Apple decided not to ship. This is not because of EU laws, it's a Apple's Wallet law

Although the regulation doesn't force the unbundling of chargers, it's highly encouraged. It will apply to PCs from April 2026.

"[...]It is therefore necessary to impose requirements to ensure that consumers and other end-users are not obliged to purchase a new charging device with each purchase of a new mobile phone or similar item of radio equipment. Unbundling the sale of charging devices from the sale of radio equipment would provide sustainable, available, attractive and convenient choices for consumers and other end-users."

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX%3A32022L2380

"Unbundling the sale of a charger from the sale of the electronic device — Consumers are able to purchase a new electronic device without a new charger. This limits the number of chargers on the market or left unused. Reducing production and disposal of new chargers is estimated to reduce the amount of electronic waste by 980 tonnes yearly."

The EU common charger

The common charging solution promotes the use of common chargers for mobile phones and other portable electronic devices.

single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu

"Can a radio equipment be sold with the charging device in-box?
Yes, as long as the consumer has also the choice of buying the same radio equipment without a charging device in-box."

"Does the requirement on unbundling mean that, when radio equipment without a charging device is offered for sale, there is no obligation to also offer the same model of radio equipment with a charging device?
Yes."

"Does the requirement on unbundling of the charging device mean that it should always be possible for the consumer to buy a product without the charging device?
Yes."

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ%3AC_202402997

 

[CATiNTHESTORE]

Mother of nature!!!

 

[JohnC1959]

A good decision. So many will already have a charger and the few that don't can buy one at a reasonable price.

 

[Dirk Pieters]

If you want the charger included in the same box, they make you customize your order and add it as an extra — but they still charge you the same amount. The only way to avoid that is to go to the next page and add the charger separately.

Same in Belgium store. It’s like they can sell it with charger included, but not with the base model. 😲

 

[ab22]

At least Finnish order says 70W charger included.

That seems to be with the optional €65 adapter :

 

[pt96hni]

Same in Belgium store. It’s like they can sell it with charger included, but not with the base model. 😲

If you order a custom model then they can include the charger in the box otherwise you can order it extra for the same price.

 

[thelead]

for those saying they have 70w+ chargers... do you not sell/trade in your old laptops with the charger?

 

[hans1972]

Do EU regulations differentiate between wattage for chargers being included in the box?

No, it only needs to support basic USB-C for the port and USB-PD for charging. So the minium would be 15 watt.

Also the charger included doesn't have to be the same as the one sold separately. Can be a different brand, type, model, colour, functionality.