New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in Europe

[Lone Deranger]

I'm calling it now... In a few years time Apple will start putting T1 chips in chargers that will bond with the T1 in your laptop preventing usage of 3rd party chargers.

Yeah it sucks big time, but just get a GaN 100w multiport charger from Ugreen or Anker for under £35 and your all set.

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[raythompsontn]

It shouldn’t be allowed to sell a device that REQUIRES charging without a charger to charge it!!

Right. Like EVs that need charging but none come with a charger, only a cable.

 

[m1maverick]

Right. Like EVs that need charging but none come with a charger, only a cable.

Most (all?) EVs come with charger.

 

[raythompsontn]

Just because it's been working "just fine" doesn't mean it's not being damaged.

Right. As if a charger, designed for 35 watts, delivers 35 watts, and gets damaged. That would seem to be fraud.

 

[raythompsontn]

Most (all?) EVs come with charger.

To use high speed charging I need to install a charger in my house. A charger that did not come with the vehicle. A charger to deliver the necessary voltage and current.

 

[Cesar Battistini]

I would take 100 dollars off a macbook with no charger.

I could buy one that suits my needs

 

[neuropsychguy]

1899 euros for a laptop and it does not even come with charger?

Unreal.

This is an EU law requiring companies to sell laptops without a charger. A company can also sell laptops with chargers, but have to have a version without. https://www.trade.gov/market-intelligence/eu-portable-electronic-devices-change-requirements

 

[m1maverick]

Right. As if a charger, designed for 35 watts, delivers 35 watts, and gets damaged. That would seem to be fraud.

The damage would be the result of the excessive power draw, not the designed power capability (in this case 35-watts). Thus no fraud.

 

[m1maverick]

This is an EU law requiring companies to sell laptops without a charger. A company can also sell laptops with chargers, but have to have a version without. https://www.trade.gov/market-intelligence/eu-portable-electronic-devices-change-requirements

So why charge for one if the buyer wants one?

 

[m1maverick]

To use high speed charging I need to install a charger in my house. A charger that did not come with the vehicle. A charger to deliver the necessary voltage and current.

What you are "installing" is called an EVSE and it is not a charger. It is an interface between your wall outlet and the cars charger and it, surprise, negotiates an appropriate power draw so the car can charge as fast as the power source will allow without exceeding that amount (sound familiar?)

 

[Sunshoopa]

Even my refurbished MBP M1 Max from Amazon came with an official 140w mag safe adapter. Also do I have a 140w adapter laying around? Haha no. This computer would literally drain while plugged in if I used what I have laying around at full power. My Steam Deck 45w charger was best I had before I got this laptop.

I don't live in Europe so this doesn't affect me anyways, but in the future it most likely will and that sucks. When you sell your Mac most likely the buyer would expect a charger.

 

[sunny1983]

That’s not the point! It costs extra! Also strangely unavailable in the UK with the 512Gb option. I would also point out that the UK is no longer in the EU so it’s obviously excluded for other reasons than legalisation.

In Germany, the base configuration of the M5 MacBook Pro is 100€ less without the charger included compared to its processor model with the M4. If you buy the 70W charger, it is still 35€ less than the M4 (due to the dollar exchange rate?).

 

[BorderingOn]

Exactly! Your desk lamps minimum power requirement is 15 watts. Connect over 120 of them to the same circuit (assuming a typical US household 120-volt outlet) and you risk tripping the breaker.

Why do you think things like electric ranges / dryers utilize 240-volt circuits? Because they exceed the power capabilities of a standard 120-volt outlet.

Edit: It's also the reason for the existence of different power outlets. A 240-volt power outlet has a different connector compared to a 120-volt outlet to help ensure you don't plug a device which exceeds the 120-volt power outlets capability.



Again: Exactly! They can only supply what they're designed to supply. Exceed that and you risk damage / overheating.


A third again: Exactly! Short it and it will likely shutdown in order to protect itself from damage. As for multiple devices why is it that daisy chaining power strips is not recommended?

Your AC appliances don't negotiate voltage and current. USB PD does. Read up on it: https://knowledge.cambrionix.com/Co...wer-Delivery.htm?tocpath=Articles|USB|_____20

I think it's a little misleading to call the power adapter a "charger" since that implies it's exclusively for charging. Prior to now, it has been capable of powering the laptop under load while the battery isn't being charged or discharged. People are going to end up with many more battery cycles using a small power adapter while sitting at a desk plugged in.

 

[mielie]

This is clearly because of EU regulators. Don't blame Apple!

If it was EU then it wouldn't apply in the UK.

I’m sorry but you pay thousands for a laptop and it doesn’t come with a charger? Thats just ridiculous now, laptops are not items you replace every year, 70W USBC chargers are not omnipresent throughout European and UK households. Apple needs to get a grip before people start looking elsewhere. They might have missed this whilst they were busy plotting their next virtue signalling move but AMD are pushing out some nice SOC processors and Ubuntu is starting to look pretty nice…

I remember only a few years ago manufacturers were constantly telling you to only use the supplied charger, now it would seem they are happy for you to plug your expensive Mac into anything.

 

[m1maverick]

Your AC appliances don't negotiate voltage and current. USB PD does. Read up on it: https://knowledge.cambrionix.com/Content/Articles/USB/What-Is-USB-Power-Delivery.htm?tocpath=Articles|USB|_____20

Understood which is why I've qualified my comments with things like:

"A device which can adjust its power draw based on the power source still follows this rule, it just matches the adapters capability."​

 

[rafark]

Absolutely insane thing to do. I hope this does not become standard elsewhere. It feels Nickel and diming. Super shady.

 

[titomakani]

I’m here to earn some downvotes.

I think there’s a scenario where this decision actually makes sense.

Let’s say I sell a product for $1000, and it costs me $800 to produce. For some reason (inflation, manufacturing, whatever), the production cost increases to $850. I need to make $200 in profit no matter what. What would most people prefer — that I raise the product’s price, or that I remove something from the product worth the same as the supposed increase?

Personally, I’d rather they keep the price the same and remove accessories that I already got or choose to buy separately.

 

[iSuzan]

This is clearly because of EU regulators. Don't blame Apple!

Well… you clearly don’t know the difference between Europe and the EU, do you?

 

[bLackjackj]

Blame the "save the earth" nerds.

Why, there is no regulation!

How on earth do people accept buying a laptop with no charger in 2025? Just demand one at the Apple Store if purchasing the laptop. Apple should STOP manufacturing the Apple Vision Pro if it want to save $$$,..I mean "save the planet".

 

[neuropsychguy]

So why charge for one if the buyer wants one?

Because Apple is a company and the people running it wants to make money.

I appreciate getting a new Apple charger when buying a computer but I also have several at this point and don't need another one. I typically buy a different charger anyway that can charge several devices. If I get a new computer, I'll likely just give the charger away (or give away one of my older ones).

 

[robfoll]

I’m drowning in USB-C chargers and leads. Nothing these days should ship with a charger or a lead, it’s staggeringly wasteful.

 

[robfoll]

Everyone has phone chargers at home. But what the f, who has a bunch of 70W chargers at home?

Me

 

[m1maverick]

Because Apple is a company and the people running it wants to make money.

Which is perfectly fine, just don't use:

"This is an EU law requiring companies to sell laptops without a charger."

As the justification as to why Apple is off the hook.

 

[m1maverick]

I’m drowning in USB-C chargers and leads. Nothing these days should ship with a charger or a lead, it’s staggeringly wasteful.

70 watt chargers?

 

[Cheffy Dave]

It’s all to help the environment……🤣🤣🤣

I know, right? How cheap can you get? Save money by NOT including a way to charge the new computer you bought. If that were mine, it would be returned! Unbelievable!