€100 cheaper than last year's model, at least here in Austria (and Sweden too, as another poster mentioned, so maybe all across the EU)
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New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in Europe
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I think the idea of buying without a charger is to save the environment rather than money.
Soon, they’ll sell all their devices with just a full charge, and then you’re on your own.
I think in the EU including proprietary cables will still be fine but including USB-C to USB-C cables will be outlawed.
They should provide the option to purchase with or without the charger - and reduce the price accordingly if purchased without. Of course this is if they are really doing this for 'environmental reasons'.
When I sell an old MacBook the charger goes with it - leaving me with no spare to use with a new laptop (which could have different power requirements regardless). I'm guessing many others would be in the same position.
Fortunately I've moved to a Mac Studio / iPad setup now anyways - purchasing an iDevice without a plug adapter is bad enough - but laptops?!
When I sell an old MacBook the charger goes with it - leaving me with no spare to use with a new laptop (which could have different power requirements regardless). I'm guessing many others would be in the same position.
Fortunately I've moved to a Mac Studio / iPad setup now anyways - purchasing an iDevice without a plug adapter is bad enough - but laptops?!
So my complaint about Apple products has just been justified again.
Base spec for the M5 16GB ram 512MB storage making it useless for a pro level machine.
No charger & you cannot order one in the UK at least, unless you pay an extortionate amount to upgrade the screen, memory or storage, then Apple will graciously sell you something that actually allows the very expensive door stop to work.
£200 for an additional 8GB ram, Crucial 8GB approx £45
£200 for an additional 512MB storage when a named 4TB NVME costs the same.
They are going the same way as before Jobs came back, massively overinflated prices & crap products that dont last nearly as long as they used to
Base spec for the M5 16GB ram 512MB storage making it useless for a pro level machine.
No charger & you cannot order one in the UK at least, unless you pay an extortionate amount to upgrade the screen, memory or storage, then Apple will graciously sell you something that actually allows the very expensive door stop to work.
£200 for an additional 8GB ram, Crucial 8GB approx £45
£200 for an additional 512MB storage when a named 4TB NVME costs the same.
They are going the same way as before Jobs came back, massively overinflated prices & crap products that dont last nearly as long as they used to
It works the other way around, but is essentially the same; the price increases if purchased with a charger (and logically decreased when purchased without a charger).
You can buy a charger with the base model, you just have to add it as a separate item in your basket.
After you have added a laptop to the bag you get a dialog with options to order charger and AppleCare. Just add a charger to the bag and you have a laptop and charger.
It’s called “built in obsolescence”
Soon after the first light bulb was mass manufactured the producers got together and chatted. They had always known how to make a bulb last for decades, but that was a threat to their business and growth, so they agreed to make them to fail. Built in obsolescence!
Move forward to the fifties and car manufacturers worked out that simply changing colours was enough to make consumers buy new next year. Built in obsolescence!
Nowadays just change the chip number from M4 to M5 will do the same trick, is it better? Yes. Will most consumers be able to tell? No. Built in obsolescence!
Central to all this is economic growth, yes we’re raping the planet, that’s the cost of generating income and wealth. Put big screws into everything? We all get economically poorer.
Sad but true
I did see that but why make it difficult & try to con people into spending more money & if you but the next model up with more storage you still cannot add a charger on the same laptop order. It's just Apple having a dig at Europe because they dont like being told what to do.
It seems they have chosen the setup where you are not able to buy a charger with your macbook.
Then this is done to drive sales and to streamline production costs. The hallmark of current CEO.
If you want a charger, you will need to custom configure your computer -> Either improved sales or cheaper production, win/win for Apple.
Then this is done to drive sales and to streamline production costs. The hallmark of current CEO.
If you want a charger, you will need to custom configure your computer -> Either improved sales or cheaper production, win/win for Apple.
I'm sure I'm OCD on this one but I can imagine Jony Ive and Steve Jobs considering selling a product without the means to power it up straight out of the box and wagging their heads in disbelief. To my mind you buy a product and it should work without having to scrabble around for some charger that may be old, battered and perhaps not ideal in terms of power. I think Jony and Steve would see that as unacceptable. Old chargers can be recycled or passed on to others. Me, I want a nice shiny, new charger that's matching the laptop right there in the box. I shall expect that if and when I go to buy one or else I won't be closing the deal.
That option is for having a charger included in the box with the laptop and that option is not available on some models.
If you add the laptop to the basket then you will get a dialog for ordering a charger separately for the same price.
I think Apple needs to update how it works, the charger option should be available for all models then when you add it to the basket for some models you get a laptop and separate charger in the basket and some a laptop with included charger in the basket.
That's exactly the kind of attitude that allows Apple to take liberties.
Wow that sucks. The Apple laptop chargers are so nice to have with their long cords. I use my laptop MacBook Pro from a 2018 model as my go to charger in the house that charges anything and everything with usbc. That has the long usbc cord and I think a 75 or more watt charger. I could use another long high quality Apple usbc cord and plug.
You can extend the cable to the Apple chargers with this cable.
Apple stopped including it when the usb-c Macs arrived.
Power Adapter Extension Cable
Power Adapter Extension Cable makes it easy to add extra length to your Apple power adapter. Get fast, free shipping when you shop online.
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It’s not made difficult, you are offered additional accessories after putting the MBP in your basket. The charger is the first accessory offered in that list.
Unfortunately the EU regulation will apply to all laptops in the very near future. Expect new models of laptops released from now on to no longer include a charger in the box.
Unless there is regulation specifically disallowing this to happen in other countries, expect all other countries to follow.
There are a number of Apple products I find to be almost life-changing (AirPods Pro 2 with their hearing adjustments). I think the MacBook Air is the best laptop I've ever owned, including all the old macBook Pros. Nevertheless there are number of factors starting to stack up that encourage me to broaden my scope and extricate myself and my family from being totally dependent within the walled garden. I'm now thinking Sonos and not HomePod. I'm thinking Benq and not Apple Display. I will keep my homebuild PC going and do a rebuild. The reason? Silly little things like this cause me to lose the faith and they're starting to accumulate.
These are the devices that have to use USB-C to charge and have the charger unbundled. Fixed smart speakers and monitors are not currently included.
