The thermal block actually isn't all that much smaller as it seems at the first look. While it lost height, it gained quite a bit in width. The difference in thermals might be caused by this in part, but not by much. The bigger junk is contributed by the increase in power budget for both the CPU and GPU. All of this doesn't matter tho, since there is no sign of thermal throttling. Also, the more important part of the cooling system are the radiators. Changing those would have a much more significant impact on thermal performance.
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New MacBook Pro Features Smaller Heatsink Due to Supply Chain Issues
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Ok, so they can get the heat sinks, but it is clear that die to 'supply chain issues' as stated in the article they are using smaller modules but then saving money on heat sinks. And so they have thermal issues. Won't be the first time for Apple to have those and thermal throttling. Either way I expect better, not penny pinching on heat sinks.
As I have the studio I can agree that the cooling is excessive. However, that makes it quiet. So it depends on use case. In the size of the Studio, it's space to do with how they want. And it's also meant to run longer under load.
I'm finding it very puzzling how folks want a laptop less than an inch thin to render like a tower for 10-15 or more minutes and not expect it to get hot. If you need to render like that. I'd recommend a Studio or at least a mini. It has more cooling and is clearly meant to be used in that fashion.
I get it for benchmarking and showing thermals under load. All fine and dandy there. But, I don't expect many folks buying said laptop to even be worried about the heat produced. If you're running a render (Blender, Cinema4D, maya, etc.) for long stretches of time on a laptop. It's most likely elevated (not on your lap) on a desk and it can run its fans as much and as long as it wants.
The Verge said their M2 machine got significantly hotter and louder during intense workloads vs the equivalent M1. Might have something to do with this.
There are no thermal issues. It does not overheat / throttle. The thermal block on the chip isn't smaller by much, it just seems like a big size difference because of the difference in shape.
No. The power budget increased for both the CPU and GPU which means more heat. This has a bigger impact than the slightly changed area of the thermal block.
Do you have one of the affected Macs? I don't see one in your signature, yet you seem very knowledgeable about how hot these affected Macs are. You know, for a fact, that smaller heatsinks and warmer running temps won't cause issues down the road (these have been out for, what, 1 week?).
It's only a non issue after history has proven it's a non-issue.
(and, to be honest, you seem more dramatic about this that most here).
Which Intel chips and where is your reference to "just browsing the web" causing a CPU to hit 100C? Truly curious...
25% more transistors and a much smaller heatsink to transfer the heat away -- sounds like a winning combination. /s
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I'm not sure if we're supposed to get used to this. I want to see some W's. The Next Apple event is right around the corner.
Most uses don't need an M2 anything. So what. Apple is charging more, delivering less than possible and you may be ok with that, but a number of critical thinkers are probably not.
This seems like a very misleading (dare I say clickbaity) headline if you read the actual quotes.
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Conclusions and Titles here are getting more and more ridiculous. I am starting to think that children are writing most of the stories. Quality is getting worse and worse.
Slower SSDs on the base models, poorer thermals, cheated improvements by just increasing clock speed and cores, redesigning a good machine and making it worse (M2 Air vs M1 Air, the M1 Air feels like a more premium product with a much better keyboard and trackpad)... wow this really is a year to skip eh? For a slight improvement on performance and battery life, at the expense of longevity potentially (hot laptops die quicker, simple) it really doesn't seem worth it.
This article is a mess.
The M2 Pro and M2 Max MacBook Pro models feature aconsiderably smaller differently shaped heatsink due to supply chain issues different shapes of chips underneath.
The remainder of the article then talks about the substrate (which is indeed in short supply, but whether that led to different RAM chip choices is speculation) and how the device behaves thermally. Lots of speculation based on… having smaller but more RAM chips. The headline is false, clickbaity and silly.
The M2 Pro and M2 Max MacBook Pro models feature a
The remainder of the article then talks about the substrate (which is indeed in short supply, but whether that led to different RAM chip choices is speculation) and how the device behaves thermally. Lots of speculation based on… having smaller but more RAM chips. The headline is false, clickbaity and silly.
I’m sorry, running hotter does not equal “thermal issues”. It means it runs hotter. These things aren’t running heat soaked and incapable of drawing that heat away to a satisfactory (safe operating) level.
Yeah, but if you watch the MaxTech video, it showed the M2 Max running consistently hotter than the same configed M1, showed consistent thermal throttling on the M2, and showed the M2’s fans consistently spinning up to a noticeably noisy level when resource intensive apps were running.
Why shouldn’t a MacBook Pro M2 Max buyer just open up “they/their” machine and — with the guidance of a technician — add heatsinks or thermal paste (or whatever an experienced technician recommends)?
(Heat is also the enemy of any computer’s longevity/lifespan. The only good thing heat does for “computers” per se, is it can drastically extend the lifespan of SSDs by clearing long-trapped electrons out of the NAND floating gate, reducing its retained charge after being “erased” and returning it to usefulness for “programming” [writing/storing] again.)
To have an extended childhood from your teens to your 40s and have your parents pay for your Apple retail therapy to make memes and mixtapes.
Oh, sure, it shrunk, supply chain issues, yes, we want to believe...
But the question is...will it ever grow back (even when *cough cough* "supply chain issues" get resolved)?
My money is on "no".
But the question is...will it ever grow back (even when *cough cough* "supply chain issues" get resolved)?
My money is on "no".
At this time, 49 “likers” agree with a comment that throws up a %% based on 0% evidence …
Surprised they didn’t jack the price up a couple hundred dollars because of it.
The exact % value had been pulled from the air, but the sentiment is correct. Most people won't notice or care. The size of the block on the processor doesn't matter so long as it's covering/touching every part that it needs to. The goal of that plate is to conduct heat to the heatpipe, it is not in and of itself a heatsink. The heatsink portion that counts is the fins where the fans blow air to keep it cool. More mass in the plate on the processor only increases the thermal capacity of the heatsink, it doesn't help it conduct heat any better. This whole article is getting people riled up for no reason.
