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Once President Trump slaps that 35% tariff on companies using China, watch the price of these laptops skyrocket.
If this were to happen, big companies like Apple would just find suppliers in "preferred" countries to get their parts manufactured. It's the small companies that would get hit by this tariff. But I digress.
 
It seems that Apple can charge $10,000 for these new, under-powered, no ports Pros and people will still buy them. There are 13 million people who develop for the Apple platform, in addition to millions of others who have been with Apple for so long they would have never know how to use a PC, or are will to learn. These guys have no other choice but to pay whatever exorbitant price Apple wants for their products, so Apple will keep raising their prices by 33% or whatever they want for the newer products. Kudos to Apple. Shame on the sheep and lambs!

bahahaha you sound so salty. you sound like a broke sheep yourself. nobody is forced to buy anything, Einstein.
 
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Your development skills are not related to your judgement of fair pricing.
And your qualification to judge and set what a "fair price" is? Too funny how so many criticize others on what they buy with their own money. Do get over yourselves people.
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If this were to happen, big companies like Apple would just find suppliers in "preferred" countries to get their parts manufactured. It's the small companies that would get hit by this tariff. But I digress.
Assuming there will be that loophole built in.
 
The "MacBook Pro" is treated as a single product rather than the group of products it is. Meanwhile, the competitors have hundreds of different models competing, many of which from the same brand.

Of course it will outsell the others when the breakdown is as such.

I hope you realise that Surface Book has multiple models as well.
 
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Maybe you should take a closer look at whatever orifice you call upon. But in the "Windows world," people don't replace their computers ever couple of years. The PC laptops have been consistently more powerful than the MACs, so that people don't need to buy a new one for 5 years or more, while saving $500 to $1000 at the same time. A maxed out new 15" Pro is $4,300. That maybe fine with you in your elitist, illiterate little world, but it's absolutely egregious to everyone else.

bruh, you realize way more consumers replace their PC laptops more frequently than comparable macs, right? it's hilarious how ignorant you sound
 
I would say they are stupid not insane. Even a 5 year old would understand that removing an antique technology in a mobile device makes more sense for many reasons. But who am I to argue, lol.
Oh, I understood their reasoning (on both the iPhone AND the MBP) perfectly. It's just the crybabies and haters on the interwebs that bent over backwards to be "offended".
 
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Sure. They said the same thing about Jobs. They said the same thing about the MBP redesign in 2012.

If all apple cared about was profit, they'd instead have created the MBP with every port imaginable, with a touch screen, etc. so no potential buyer would have a reason to not purchase. It's exactly because Cook cares about the future that they are taking the risk of dropping legacy ports and certain functionality and inserting ports with connectors for the next ten years instead.
I agree with part of what you said. But dropping all the ports at once and increasing the price unreasonably is hardly caring about the customer. You make all the accessories that the customer currently owns incompatible in one stroke. The 2015 rMBP had 2 USB and 2 Thunderbolt ports. They could have done away with one of each and included 2 USB-C ports or something on those lines. That would have started the transition smoothly without forcing customers to buy the pesky dongles. And nothing can explain the ridiculous price. I am not against what they have done. Just the way they chose to do it.
 
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Strange world.

There are so many people who have been waiting years to upgrade (and wish to stay with Apple... for now), it is hardly surprising.

Or people who just have different uses and expectations for their machines than you and I?

Why don't they do total sales of other laptops vs the macbooks? With windows pcs you have choice.

I've said it before: I think these are priced too highly and Apple is taking advantage of the pent up demand. They've done it before with the iMac retina. It feels disrespectful. But it seems we're willing to take the abuse. :/

There isn't enough printed money in the world to pay for these MacBook PROfits (assuming not all are the Base model)

The new MacBook Pro is indeed a state of art portable laptop, no doubt. However it's not a cutting edge professional laptop that out specs all other Windows stations.

Apple years ago investigated the professional Macintosh and PC market and almost decided to exit this market. Why? It's outrageously difficult and costly to engineer a professional Macintosh computer. Cutting edge specs means lower production yields which causes higher part price even for apple. That diminishes the comparative advantage of Apple over other OEM companies.

You generally can assume manufacturing, research, operating, depreciation, and marketing fix costs to decrease exponentially as output of a same product grows and vice versa. Professional Macintosh cost a massive load of resources to build but the demand is extremely low comparatively. Let's face it, most technology buyers are Engineering illiterate. A new Mac file system will actually have a lot less marketing value than addition of some fancy emojis, stickers and bubble animations.

People who are complaining are the ones that really understands the Engineering and valuations behind each piece of technologies. Unfortunately this group doesn't represent even a slightest fraction of the potential buyers. Apple's targeted audience for MBP 2016 is affluent fashion lovers who are in need of a new sleek computing device for light, non-professional, non-hardcore work and uncompromising entertainments. Pie from this audience group is larger than that of the professional niche by many magnitudes.

It's all about maximizing cooperate profits with Economics. Especially behaviour economics and marketing. Apple today is lead by world's leading marketing executives and VPs, compared with Steve's Engineering-centric and innovation-driven Apple Cooperate structure.

Economics works, Physics works.
 
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bruh, you realize way more consumers replace their PC laptops more frequently than comparable macs, right? it's hilarious how ignorant you sound
Most PC/Windows laptops sold are cheap underpowered units, that, if used as a laptop and actually goes ind and out of a bag several times a day, will start to come apart after 6 months. Real "road warrior" PC laptops will set you back almost as much as a Mac, but still be made of cheaper and less durable materials. Also, these machines often stay at a desk in a home and is never upgraded but swapped for a new unit when Windows becomes too sluggish on them.

When I was a PC user, i had to get new hardware every second year or so. Both because of the machines falling apart and because every upgraded Windows version required more power and more RAM just to function decently. The only machine for me back then was IBM Thinkpads which would set you back a lot more than a Mac for the same specs, but that didn't keep them from coming apart. The Macs I have had are all still running and fully functional and my upgradecycle has changed from every 2 years to every 4 years instead.

I am happy to pay more for a machine that is built last, but the recent premium over a PC, is making me wonder whether to stay on a MAC or not, even though I need to upgrade.
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Remember the famous quote:
There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Or something like that.
A Danish comedian once said: "Statistics is like an old lamp post. Not very enlightening but great to lean up against"
 
Hollywood learned a long time ago that controversy, protests, heated debates and endless argument actually increase ticket sales! This giant argument over the benefits of a single laptop could only happen for an Apple product. No one types out long commentaries dissing a Dell, Lenovo or HP laptop. Why? Apple is crying all the way to the bank, as Liberace once said.
 
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or lots of people are tied to the mac ecosystem and desperately needed to upgrade their 4+ year old first generation retina macbook pros.

Yes, that's me, and I am still struggling to decide to buy it or not (actually, more like which one to get and which USB-C dongles I need). I am like most people here, I don't like what Apple has done to the new Macbook Pro. But I am just too tied to the mac ecosystem, and MacOS is still a pretty good OS.
So although I am disappointed with the hardware, and still very happy with the software/OS.
I did made the transition to Android a couple of years ago, but that was because I was disappointed with BOTH the hardware and software from Apple.

So yes, I desperately need to upgrade my 4+ years old MBP...........
 
Youngsters today have a very different understanding of "incompatible" than I do. Any peripheral I can still use with a $4.50 adapter or a $9 replacement cable is not "incompatible"
Maybe that is not the best word. But you know what I mean. After spending so much on the laptop, spending more on dongles seems unreasonable. It is inconvenient and you can easily misplace them that can make them recurring expense (I know some people are better at not losing things than others). And the argument that if you can spend $1500 on laptop then you can spend $50 for dongles in nonsense. A lot of people are already stretching their budget to get to the $1500 mark.
 
Schiller was surprised? Really? He was so out of touch with what pro users need that he was genuinely surprised??

The head of Apple 'pro' computers, unaware of what pro users need.

Interesting!
 
Maybe that is not the best word. But you know what I mean. After spending so much on the laptop, spending more on dongles seems unreasonable. It is inconvenient and you can easily misplace them that can make them recurring expense (I know some people are better at not losing things than others). And the argument that if you can spend $1500 on laptop then you can spend $50 for dongles in nonsense. A lot of people are already stretching their budget to get to the $1500 mark.

The cost of the laptop certainly includes the cost of the adapters or wires required to get it to work in your workflow. If it costs too much, then don't buy it.

But Apple has made the decision that the usb-c connector is the connector of the future, and has removed all other connectors to help hasten that day. And to say that Apple only cares about profit and doesn't care about the future, and to cite that decision as proof, is crazy.
 
Yes, that's me, and I am still struggling to decide to buy it or not (actually, more like which one to get and which USB-C dongles I need). I am like most people here, I don't like what Apple has done to the new Macbook Pro. But I am just too tied to the mac ecosystem, and MacOS is still a pretty good OS.
So although I am disappointed with the hardware, and still very happy with the software/OS.
I did made the transition to Android a couple of years ago, but that was because I was disappointed with BOTH the hardware and software from Apple.

So yes, I desperately need to upgrade my 4+ years old MBP...........
The good news is that no matter what version you get, it'll still be noticeably faster from the 2012 model...

Even the low end Radeon Pro 450 (https://twitter.com/felix_schwarz/status/792656577266409472) CPU 10-30% faster from the base model, SSD over 400%, GPU 53% better
 
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I agree with part of what you said. But dropping all the ports at once and increasing the price unreasonably is hardly caring about the customer. You make all the accessories that the customer currently owns incompatible in one stroke. The 2015 rMBP had 2 USB and 2 Thunderbolt ports. They could have done away with one of each and included 2 USB-C ports or something on those lines. That would have started the transition smoothly without forcing customers to buy the pesky dongles. And nothing can explain the ridiculous price. I am not against what they have done. Just the way they chose to do it.

I guess it depends on how comfortable you are with Apple's transition strategy to USB-C. I think Apple wants to just jump into the future, vs keeping USB A, and other ports around for a couple of years... i'm sure they considered it just cluttering things up. I guess if they wanted a cash-grab, they would keep them around to make everyone happy.

I don't mind buying the $9.99 dongle, for me I think it's reasonable... plus I can use it on any of the USB-C ports.
 
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It's always amusing to watch people kick up a big hissy fit over some issue, only to have the end results completely prove him wrong.

I guess this really frames the scope of the complainers in perspective. The loudest doesn't necessarily mean the rightest.
 
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