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Again, I don't agree with the argument of if its too much for you then don't buy it... Take an example of someone who previously started using Mac for business with previous price point, which he thought was reasonable. Now he is at a point where he cannot leave the Apple ecosystem and needs to upgrade his laptop for whatever reason. But Apple suddenly makes the laptops expensive which means that upgrading is going to be unaffordable. The customer loses when something like this happens.

And I am not of the opinion that Apple only cares for profit. Clearly they have brought about positive change in the portable electronics industry.

If paying $30 for some adapters/cables is going to make the difference between being able to stay in the ecosystem or not, that's hard to believe.
 
Once President Trump slaps that 35% tariff on companies using China, watch the price of these laptops skyrocket.

Won't happen. The dynamics of international trade are extremely complicated and political. While campaigning, he is all talk. Now that the rubber meets the road, he will need to take a more diplomatic and measured stance with our trade partners. He will get a hard lesson on the complexities and nuances of international trade.
 
They don't care about experience either
Removal of ports, removal of pro software, inflated prices, 1/10 repair ability and eye watering repair prices

Also the software lost some of the ‘experience’. I distinctly remember Apple highlighting the fact that Macs ‘just work’ with a lot of peripherals, without requiring separate drivers or lengthy downloads. It seems that OS X nowadays only has a small set of printer drivers, phasing out older printers rather quickly. One moment it works, then one system update further, the printer is suddenly no longer supported.
 
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There is a reason people are on a message board and Tim is still there...

There is a reason he still CEO but it's not because he is leading Apple to make good, useful, cool products. If you step away from the forest and examine Cook's CEO tenure you'all see a pockmarked trail of less than insanely great products. He lacks imagination and he is really honed in on margins more than truly creating products with outstanding user experience. He is still there because Jobs left him a cash cow and he hasn't had enough time to totally screw that up yet. But Cook era products are subpar for Apple.
 
There is a reason he still CEO but it's not because he is leading Apple to make good, useful, cool products. If you step away from the forest and examine Cook's CEO tenure you'all see a pockmarked trail of less than insanely great products. He lacks imagination and he is really honed in on margins more than truly creating products with outstanding user experience. He is still there because Jobs left him a cash cow and he hasn't had enough time to totally screw that up yet. But Cook era products are subpar for Apple.

I agree.
 
If paying $30 for some adapters/cables is going to make the difference between being able to stay in the ecosystem or not, that's hard to believe.
The new Macbooks itself are costlier by hundreds of dollars. Thats what I was referring too. People will have to stretch their budgets to reach these price points. Hence the additional cost of dongles (even if it is just $30) will hurt even more.
 
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Mine is on order. I have 16GB memory on my older model and I'm not stretching it with logic pro X - up to 16 tracks, more a prosumer level - also no problem with 30 minute videos with inserts, audio, and effects in final cut. One article ran a large number of programs without stretching 16GB (https://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6355). So it's everything I need including some games I've been waiting to try - I wish the dedicated graphics were a bit more advanced, but I'm not that hard core. I'm really pleased with the touch bar, the state of the art flash drive and improved color, and improved battery life over my old model. I'm less excited by the keyboard, but if it's better than the MacBook, I can get used to it. I'm willing to pay for the significant improvement in the drive, color, processor, etc, all of which add value compared to the hardware I have now.

I think the kerfluffel about ports is just silly. I ordered 4 USBC to 3 adapters for $16, which will live on the end of my current peripherals, and am very happy they kept the 3.5 audio port. That's a rounding error on the total cost. When I need to hook up to projector again, I may have to pay more, but I needed one of those for my current MBP.

Like everyone, I wish it were cheaper and hope they'll update the processor/memory options next year for pros who really need them - starting with the iMac, and followed by one for the MBP. But I don't need that level either for my consulting work, or my audio/video hobbies. It's worth it to me.
 
Perhaps this already been addressed but how is that data useful when it appears to be based on revenue. Sure, it's generated more revenue. Goodness, look at its premium price points.
Apologies in advance if I misinterpreted the article.
 
4) I actually like the new keyboard (!!)

I have never liked the MacBook keyboard. It always felt too flat. I had resolved myself to just dealing with it. However, the TINY bit of extra travel in the new keyboard is a big deal. I kept switching between the two laptops at the store and I could always type better and easier on the Pro. It'd take a little getting used to, but I didn't dislike it at all. Big surprise.

7) My use case might not match yours. That's okay, though.

Ha! It's never okay. If you like this thing you're not a "real" pro or some such. A bunch of people said so. :p

I'm still going back and fourth on getting one. I was resolved not to get one and then I played with the 13" model and was like, "This thing is barely bigger than the 11" MacBook Air. Wow." And now I want one again. My 15" Pro is a boat anchor as far as I'm concerned.
 
Hm.

Apple customers where starving for a new model, being used to bi-annual updates.

Also, it's not like they can buy another Mac from another company.

So ending up with "Macbook pro outsold other laptops" is pretty easy.
 
I am WAITING as are ALL my colleagues for the 32GB variant to appear in less than 6 months when Schiller realizes that they need to act FAST as the HORDE - ARENT buying...

The 32GB option will come with suitable Kaby Lake processors. This has nothing to do which Schiller. Same goes for TB3 in the next MacBook since Kaby Lake supports it sans an additional controller. No surprise there.

NOTHING you can't do with an late 2015 MacBook Pro that you could do with a 2016 Late MBP. As a matter of fact you can do MORE with the late 2015 as you can connect MORE devices....

Like operate an eGPU over TB3? How about a pair of 5K monitors?

go spend $1000 extra on a device which will end up looking like Frankenstein with all the dongles coming out of it...

Or one dock, like I already do with my TB1 and TB2 machines. I had an Air, it's not like it was swarming with ports.

And if you do... MAKE SURE NO BODY is around the power cable - if they are, your brand new shiny thin TouchBook Pro WILL bite the dust when it accelerates towards the concrete ground !

Fortunately, with 10 hours of battery life, the only time it makes sense for me to be connected to power is at my desk where I'm also connected to other cables that don't have a magnetic release. Okay. I don't understand the simultaneous rage over a lack of connections coupled with whining about MagSafe going away. MagSafe made a lot of sense when laptops couldn't run ALL DAY on battery. But seriously, with 10 hours of battery life, how often are you plugged in somewhere that is NOT your desk? Unless your desk is in the middle of a room with power hookups across the room, this is silly.

(And yes, I have kids. And yes, I have a cat. MagSafe has saved me exactly twice: both instances on a 2010 MacBook Pro that had weaksauce battery life compared to my 2012 Air and 2013 Pro. It was always while working in a chair while plugged in.)
 
That's a tired mantra that hasn't been true in five years or more.

Apple doesn't care about specs as much as experience. You should know that by now. It's still a powerful machine through perfect hardware and software integration.
 
It is subjective, admittedly. And you are correct that Apple seems to have guessed correctly at the price that people are willing to pay this time around. Now that competition is rising, I don't expect them to continue to get away with that. When they continue to charge hundreds of dollars to double up on SSD memory that you can buy for 1/10th the price, we eventually start to feel taken advantage of.

You have never seen or experienced SSDs of the caliber & speeds of the ones Apple is shipping.
None of us have! They push the boundaries of the theoretical max speeds.
Of course they turn a neat little profit on upgrading the size of these peerless drives, but 1/10 the price is an outright lie.
To whit: from fastestssd.com, the highest rated SSD drive, the Samsung 850 Pro ("Ultimate speed"- 550mb/520mb read/write speed), is $425 for 1 terabyte. The same upgrade on the new MacBook Pro is $600, a $175 premium... but it runs at over 2x what was just a few weeks ago considered "the best money could buy" (1.4gb/1.3gb read/write speeds).

Edit: oops. that was 2015 speeds. 2016 is 4x-6x those speeds @ 3.1gb/2.1gb read/write speeds.
 
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You have never seen or experienced SSDs of the caliber & speeds of the ones Apple is shipping.
None of us have! They push the boundaries of the theoretical max speeds.
Of course they turn a neat little profit on upgrading the size of these peerless drives, but 1/10 the price is an outright lie.
To whit: from fastestssd.com, the highest rated SSD drive, the Samsung 850 Pro ("Ultimate speed"- 550mb/520mb read/write speed), is $425 for 1 terabyte. The same upgrade on the new MacBook Pro is $600, a $175 premium... but it runs at over 2x what was just a few weeks ago considered "the best money could buy" (1.4gb/1.3gb read/write speeds).

I would agree that Apple price looks fair. The 1TB SSD is similar to, but likely not the same as, the Samsung 960 Evo or 960 Pro . They retail for $475 or $619, respectively. So depending upon which model you want to use for comparison, the price is a little over $100 over retail or $20 under retail. Now obviously Apple is not ordering drives one at a time, so gets a discount, but the price is not a bad deal for something from Apple. And is definitely not 10 time more than what we can buy it for.
 
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If they're comparing revenue, how much does the competition cost per unit. Isn't that asus really cheap?....
 
I dont believe it unless we have the official number from Apple. Alls I know that the source could be marketing for Apple or trying to mud the others.

There are some sources whıch I beliee trustworthy and I havent heard of them before.

Also, when you look at the forums where we 'pro' users come and talk, I dont see that this is possible.

I am alos betting that if I go on other website and other forums, I can see the same report on how MSoft Surface passed MBP sales kind of research.
 
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